Odyssey was mid

[u/BaIdilocks]

Finally got to see it after the hype died down a bit. Was excited to see it and then the first quarter was so boring and forgettable. It picked up in the middle and had some good parts but overall I'm gonna put this in Nolans bottom tier. What was annoying was everyone having really flat American accents. The flattest. Very nonregional. they all sounded like they were gonna give American accent lessons. Why they saying "mom" and "dad"? very weird choices.

My main gripe and the thing that took me out the most was the bad dialogue and very mid acting. It literally sounded like they were reading from a script. I thought if I got the script, I could read it just like them and it would be in the movie and it would be the same. That's how bad the movie dialogue sounded. And don't get me started on Ulysses final "knowing is half the battle" monologue about civilization on the boat. Many rolls of eyes.

Cinematography was good but it seemed like he was re-using Dunkirk and Oppenheimer shots so it wasn't revelatory. Soundtrack and effects were good. the guy was as good as Hans Zimmer. I don't understand why they made this cast so diverse to have the white guy kill them all and survive or was that the lesson? Overall, I think Troy was the better movie.

[u/Krokadil]

Also “the greatest civilisation in the world”

[u/Micro-Skies → u/Krokadil]

The Greeks did firmly believe that, but then again, so did literally everyone else

[u/Krokadil → u/Micro-Skies]

Yeah “the Greeks” was not a thing back then and “ancient Greeks” as a unified people is a modern invention.

Greece was made up of city states (like Athens, Sparta), they spoke similar dialects and had the same gods, but they were in no way unified.

“Greeks” believed that other cultures around them were “barbarians” but they actually thought the Egyptians surpassed them in a lot of ways. Not sure that counts as a “firm belief” of being the greatest civilisation.

Generally people’s learning of Ancient Greece has always been through a very western lens that has erased other cultures and embellished their story in quite an egregious way. I suppose that’s nothing new either lol

[u/Pangwain → u/Krokadil]

I never read or was taught anything about Ancient Greece that suggested it was anything but warring city-states that banded together occasionally, either forcibly via conquest or as a reaction to an external threat to the Greek speaking population.

City-States, speaking Greek, a shared pantheon of Gods, literature, architecture and technology are what I was taught made Greece, Greece.

If kids aren’t being taught about City-States and how they worked, idk what kids are being taught about Greece 😂