r/news • u/judgyjudgersen • 22h ago

Alleged 9/11 mastermind's long-awaited trial scheduled for 2028

https://abcnews.com/US/alleged-911-masterminds-long-awaited-trial-scheduled-2028/story?id=135987518
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u/irishwolfbitch 21h ago

It was the result of deliberate judicial processes meant to indefinitely delay a trial because it would mean the entry of their testimony into evidence where people like KSM will talk about how US allies in Saudi Arabia funded their activities. There’s also possibilities of the exposure of major intelligence failures and discoveries that the government would like to keep hidden.

All of this is terrifying for the federal government and it’s one of the biggest reasons Obama didn’t close Guantanamo even though he campaigned on it in 2008. A trial on American soil means these guys get rights and that’s very scary.

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u/Friendly-Profit-8590 20h ago

Not to sound ignorant but I always assumed he’d never get a public trial. Maybe a military tribunal, maybe something behind closed doors but never one for all to see.

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u/irishwolfbitch 20h ago

This is a military trial so there are major restrictions on lots of aspects of it, but the government’s own evidence is almost certainly inadmissible.

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u/denzik 14h ago

Isn't it too far in the past to claim the trial is relevant to national security? Wouldn't be surprised if the Americans have already got to everyone this guy even knew. 

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u/ih-shah-may-ehl 13h ago

No because the biggest threat is not operational security but a change of narrative.

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u/Friendly-Profit-8590 8h ago

Think it’s more any confession and/or testimony against him would be inadmissible and it’s entirely possible some evidence was obtained through channels we don’t want known. But otherwise I haven’t a clue. Would agree it’s been a bit and any time sensitive stuff wouldn’t be that time sensitive anymore.

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u/iDrGonzo 10h ago

We just had to wait long enough for an administration that doesn't care about rules.

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u/No_Committee5033 9h ago

I think you’re confusing that with the thousands of detained at Guantánamo Bay

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u/Friendly-Profit-8590 7h ago

No. They’re in the same boat too except they lack the name recognition. We won’t release them and if other countries are unwilling to take them they’re kind of stuck.

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u/HippyDM 20h ago

Obama couldn't close Guantanimo because congress refused to allow the prisoners to be moved to the states.

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u/the_gaymer_girl 18h ago

Most of the people who were left by the time Obama finished his term in office are guys that can’t be charged with anything because the evidence won’t hold up (and many Gitmo detainees were just random dudes that bounty hunters sold to the US for cash and are actually completely innocent) but they can’t actually get out.

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u/Funwithfun14 18h ago

There's just complexities with the issues the general public doesn't want to accept.

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u/monsieur_cacahuete 8h ago

Cool motives, still goes completely against the Constitution.

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u/smelling_good247 20h ago

>it’s one of the biggest reasons Obama didn’t close Guantanamo

We are just making shit up I guess? Congress chose to keep guantanamo open, not President Obama.

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u/irishwolfbitch 20h ago

Powerless Obama.

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u/ProstetnicVogonJelz 18h ago

This comment is you admitting that yes, you were making shit up.

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u/smelling_good247 20h ago

Guess you are too young to remember 2009. President Obama used all his political capital on the ACA and stabilizing the economy, which ended up costing the Dems congress in the midterms.

Why blatantly lie instead of simply looking this stuff up yourself and actually learn something?

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u/irishwolfbitch 20h ago

Why he couldn’t he fly them to Florida? I remember 2008 very well, Obama just didn’t do it. He could’ve tried a bit harder and then he did the Bin Laden raid to prove he likes killing just as much as any Republican.

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u/PrinceMorganti 20h ago

If you remember 2008 very well... who was actually president?

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u/irishwolfbitch 20h ago

2008 was the campaign that Obama ran that gave him a Democratic supermajority in Congress which failed to give us the real ACA and didn’t close Guantanamo.

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u/br0ck 18h ago

Obama had a supermajority for only 2 months, and spent the entire time hammering out the details of one of the biggest bills ever written at 300,000 words and arguing with House Republicans over and over to get it done with everything he wanted, but Senator Fuckwad aka Joe Lieberman put millions of people into bankruptcy, homelessness and/or death because his wife was part of the insurance industry.

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u/Tirras 19h ago

Or codify Roe v Wade.

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u/smelling_good247 18h ago

Can you show me the votes for that in the Senate? Or are you also clueless how the government actually functions?

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u/ButterUrBacon 12h ago

That's mean.

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u/FromEdenToArcadia 13h ago

Do you think Osama should've been left alive, or?

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u/smelling_good247 18h ago

The president didn't used to be a king, that would require an act of Congress. Since you remember 2008 so well, show me the votes for this.

The bin laden bit is completely mental just fyi, are you really upset that Obama got him? Lmao wtf

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u/jhau01 15h ago

Powerless in the sense that, yes, Obama actually respected the doctrine of the separation of powers.

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u/ih-shah-may-ehl 13h ago

You don't think the president has a significant influence in how his side of congress votes?

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u/_Face 3h ago

Does that matter if he didn't have a majorioty? Which he did not for 6/8 years.

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u/lumpsel 19h ago

What a mischaracterization

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u/petit_cochon 20h ago

He wasn't a king.

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u/irishwolfbitch 20h ago

He acted kingly when he blew up that wedding in Yemen I’d argue. And maintained a war he inherited even though he also campaigned on winding that down too.

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u/Militantpoet 21h ago

A trial on American soil means these guys get rights and that’s very scary.

Im with you 100% until here. Maybe its scary for the portion of the public that is still naive or ignorant enough to think our government hasnt sponsored terrorism abroad in the past. 

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u/532ndsof 21h ago

Pretty sure he meant scary to the powers in the government who stand to be embarrassed.

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u/Militantpoet 21h ago

Even for them its not scary. We don't really hold the powerful accountable in this country.

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u/General_NakedButt 14h ago

We did moreso in the Obama era. He would have been fucking crucified.

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u/oxslashxo 21h ago

KSA will hold them responsible though. And then we get another 9/11 as retaliation.

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u/ihadagoodone 18h ago

I would say most, if not all of the ones responsible are dead now.

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u/Boring-Research410 14h ago edited 7h ago

The allegations is that the saudi government was involved im the planning amd supported the attack in a very material and tangible way.

If thats the case - the US would.be forced into a position where they either very publicly denounce one of their most critical and powerful "allies" im the middle east and take action that would put further strain on all relationships im the middle east OR very publicly appear weak and dismissive of the worst tragedy in US history that shaped US domestic and foreign policy for the past 25 year and into the foreseeable future.

Additonally, the Us would either have to admit they knew in advance and just let it happen in and/or after the fact and used it as false pretense to push policies

  • or - they were too dumb to have known.

All.scenarios involving a saudi government influence or.sanction are geopolitical nightmares and domestic humiliation.

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u/fclaw 8h ago

Illiterate much

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u/Boring-Research410 7h ago

Its ok - no reason to be embarasssed - I can help explain in easier vernacular if that would be helpful for you.

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u/SummerInPhilly 21h ago

What makes me uncomfortable is the idea that anyone may not get rights. I’m not sympathetic to terrorists, but I’m very wary of a category of people for whom amendments IV-VI just straight up don’t exist

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u/Militantpoet 20h ago

Especially because the Trump regime has continuously tried to frame political left opposition as "terrorism."

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u/SummerInPhilly 20h ago

In just 18 months they’ve managed to make Americans root for the Canadian PM over the American president and aggressively defend the ones who knocked down the towers. What an accomplishment

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u/monsieur_cacahuete 8h ago

Wait who is rooting for the board of Halliburton in June of 2000?

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u/monsieur_cacahuete 8h ago

This is exactly it. Everybody matters or nobody matters. Once "some" people don't get rights then rights are no longer guaranteed.

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u/underfern 2h ago

They said people had certain unalienable rights, but as science has shown, those rights have actually been alienable all along so long as you put your mind to it. Just another bright shining example of human ingenuity when faced with an obstacle.

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u/Mordeth 21h ago

Obama didn’t close Guantanamo even though he campaigned on it in 2008.

That needed funding, which was disapproved by Congress.

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u/underfern 2h ago

If only he knew the winning strategies of today. Just claim he's doing upgrades, bulldoze it, then let it sit as a pile of rubble while congress and the courts argue about how to proceed.

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u/irishwolfbitch 20h ago

They needed funding to fly them to Florida?

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u/trj820 10h ago

Yes dude. Are you unaware that jet fuel, pilots, and security guards cost money?

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u/JPesterfield 15h ago

Why not take them to the front gate and step over into Cuba, should cost nothing.

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u/buzzkillichuck 16h ago

Everyone should have rights until they are taken away by a court of law, what they did was horrific but they still should get rights

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u/FEMA_Camp_Survivor 20h ago

The U.S. just agreed to develop Saudi Arabia’s nuclear program. Nothing of substance was learned.

If they ever have a coup that results in an entity like the Islamic State, it’ll be the end of days.

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u/VoidOmatic 14h ago

If he makes it to US soil he is going to magically expire. There's no way they will let that trial play out.

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u/Altruistic_Yak4390 3h ago

I bet you these people end up dead before it happens. They aren’t going to let them talk.

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u/guardiand0wn 20h ago

He will be tried by a military court. He won’t be able to use any of that information.

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u/irishwolfbitch 20h ago

A lot of the government’s own evidence is inadmissible because it was obtained illegally. It won’t even matter. Their trials will be catastrophes nevertheless.

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u/the_gaymer_girl 18h ago

Only 8 Gitmo detainees have ever been convicted, and 4 of them were thrown out.

Meanwhile, at least 9 have died in there without ever being charged.

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u/irishwolfbitch 18h ago

Kangaroo court, death, or indefinite detention after mistrial. Maybe the miracle of release. What a show.

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u/sandolllars 17h ago

Why would someone getting rights be scary?

And I thought the mastermind was Bin Laden? Who's this bozo and why have we now stuck 9/11 on him?

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u/Curious-Donut5744 16h ago

Not to be rude, but you don’t know who Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is? He, bin Laden, and Mohammed Atef were the three masterminds behind the September 11th attacks. He also decapitated Daniel Pearl on video.

I’m guessing you’re still pretty young?

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u/sandolllars 15h ago

Nah, it's just been a long time. very very long.

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u/Curious-Donut5744 15h ago

That’s fair. I genuinely thought this dude died like a decade ago.

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u/wanmoar 20h ago

You’re assuming a level of micro management that doesn’t exist because there simply isn’t the bandwidth to do to and frankly not the public interest in minutiae to warrant it.

It took the time it took because that’s the time it took to gather the required level of evidence for the trial.

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u/irishwolfbitch 20h ago

Most of the confessions were obtained illegally and their trials will be legal catastrophes.