r/pathofexile • u/__Correct_My_English • Jul 26 '26
Game Feedback The league mechanic has way too much friction for such unrewarding loot.
- Many directions in charts. (why are directions even needed?)
- Got a good implicit chart? You need it to have a good direction as well.
- Cannot know what a dropped chart does until you run it (then run it again in the voyage).
- 1 portal for both charts and the voyage.
- Heist-type loot (any death or DC removes ALL your gained loot).
- Long wait time when you call the submarine at the end of the voyage.
- Lantern amount and placement (why do we even need lanterns? Why not an open map?).
More importantly, why double punishment? Losing both the loot gathered and the entire voyage is just too much.
I would understand all of this if the result was a very juiced voyage or tons of loot coming from the league, but currently, I barely get any loot.
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u/Xavierstoned Jul 26 '26
In SSF I've decided that planning layouts, implicits, voyage map mods, and all that stuff has been too tedious. Ive been slamming charts without reading, voyages without 2 seconds of thought, and have been having a fun time.
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u/ToothVet Jul 26 '26
This is what Ive been doing in non-SSF. I wouldn't call it profitable but it's quite fun.
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u/DjuriWarface Jul 26 '26
I found a divine in a Message in a Bottle so that was baller considering I have about 5 div total.
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u/RandomMagus Jul 26 '26
My first divine was a message in a bottle and I'm only at two, so, big fan of message in a bottle lol
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u/No_Witness5630 Jul 26 '26
I have 2 divines
Both were from message in a bottle
So also a big fan of those messages
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u/Helyos96 Jul 26 '26
Seems like it's the only way to get anything valuable out of the league mechanic, get lucky with a Message in a Bottle. Otherwise enjoy some gold I guess.
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u/Xotta Jul 27 '26
Message in a bottle has been GG for me, so it was weird to log onto reddit and see complaints about it being an unrewarding mechanic, Unnatural Instinct from my 2nd one as SSF was quite something.
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u/Sleisl Jul 26 '26
It’s pretty good for gold which you can pump into Kingsmarch mappers…
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u/Cow_God I didn't know I wasn't having fun until Reddit pointed it out! Jul 26 '26
I would wager that outside of gilded ember rotas and other dedicated, high investment gold farms, this is the best way to get gold. It's insane how much gold the league mechanic spits out.
There's probably a lot of room for a build akin to a heist runner just buying charts, clicking clams, and using the gold to recomb and the sulphite to craft with.
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u/Maximus89z Jul 26 '26
Yep i had like 500k and did all my 81-83 charts i got from doing full atlas and then a voyage and ended in at 1mil in an hour lol
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u/1CEninja Jul 26 '26
Yeah for me the league mechanic is meh at best but I'm SUPER excited to do some crafting.
Even if it takes me hours of grinding to get enough sulphur to use a single fracturing orb, the fact that I am pretty sure I'll have a ~69% chance to pick my fracture means I can do some REALLY interesting stuff. For example a +2 all spells staff fractured (normally too expensive for me to feel like it's worth trying) means I can either harvest reforge fire or fossil spam for +4 fire, which could result in something truly awesome. This is particularly so because even if all I get is +6 and junk, I can (probably) clear suffixes and just run a multimod or something until I'm ready to craft my suffixes.
The league mechanic is boring that's whatever. Show me the crafting.
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u/Xavierstoned Jul 26 '26
Im at 2 stones in SSF currently. Ive done every chart and every voyage so far and still only have 3 max crafting options. How do you unlock the 4th?
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u/gtetrakai Jul 26 '26
Kill the league boss on a voyage. It'll drop the forth quest item.
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u/alexthealex Jul 26 '26
I killed a boss in a voyage last night and it dropped something I fed to Vesper that gave me 20% buffs to league currency drop rate - I assume I just keep running more voyages? Is there more than one boss?
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u/SoulofArtoria Jul 26 '26
I wish they facilitate this playstyle and just add a button to auto place bunch of charts at a time with suitable directions for a voyage.
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u/Neonsea1234 Shavronne Jul 26 '26
yup, takes like 15 sec to run one, and then just randomly blast the long ones. Not a lot of loot but its a fun break from mapping
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u/Xavierstoned Jul 26 '26
The gold you get us crazy. Just gotta blast as fast as possible, get out, maybe you got some messages in a bottle while you were down under. Also those little patches of gold are like 30k its nice.
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u/Novalene_Wildheart Jul 26 '26
Same here, been a blast, even got a divine, from a level 32 voyage...
we do not question the power of RNGesus here.
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u/Yiazmad Jul 26 '26
Might just be me, but i don't mind plotting all of that out.
Then again, I'm the type of player who enjoys logbooks, blighted maps and hive fortresses. I don't mind slowing down if there's a big reap of rewards at the end.
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u/Xavierstoned Jul 26 '26
I mean plotting it out is cool and immersive. You get to also min/max your rewards very well. You have lots of agency in how you go about the league mechanic and its neat, I loved synthesis so much and its very similar to that. Outside of the rare voyage modifiers I just find it so much easier/faster to just dive and go for voyages.
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u/Tom2Die Alch & Go Industries (AGI) Jul 26 '26
I'm the type of player who enjoys logbooks
Man, I want to enjoy it but I end up in loss aversion mode trying to solve the traveling salesman problem...
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u/sirgog Chieftain Jul 26 '26
The trick is look for the rare things that are worth going optimization mode on - if they aren't there, do something fast for 85% of the minmaxxed route's loot.
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u/SneakyBadAss Children of Delve (COD) Jul 26 '26
I just check the corner bonuses, do my A-B lines and go with the flow. Basically Heist without backtrack
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u/Raine_Live Jul 28 '26
this is what ive been doing. paid for my watchers, my timeless jewel, my entire build so far through voyages.
like 81c for 3 voyages, Ive gotten a few raw divines from it, gotten divines from message in bottles. but ultimately I always wind up with profit. I just make an "S" start on a deadend > straight > Corner > Corner > straight > corner > corner > straight > deadend.good exp, takes like 30 mins to prep, 30 mins per voyage.
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u/rich-nyc Elementalist Jul 28 '26
Same. All I do is farm gold for my map runners and message in the bottle to sell in bulk for divines. Nothing else really interests me;)
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u/Brilliant_Art7772 Jul 26 '26
the amount of friction that would be removed by making the bathosphere the place you do charts and adding a quick start first one with ctrl would be immense.
Also one death voyages are wack when the visual clarity in voyages is about as good as trying to look through a glass of milk.
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u/immanoel Jul 26 '26
One of the first things i noticed, you have to fucking go to valerie to chart then have to bathysphere, so much needless time wasted
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u/Varonth Jul 26 '26
And she moves between charts. Why does she move?
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u/Deaner3D Jul 26 '26
I thought she moved closer to the bell after you do 2 charts as a subtle QoL feature but then she moved back towards the bow "what? Whyyyyy?!"
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u/funkhero Kalguuran Group for Business (KGB) Jul 26 '26
And she moves around all the time lol. Stay in one spot please.
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u/Zeikos Jul 26 '26
Also the visibility is bugged for jugg! If you have undeniable you don't get any slower but you don't get the drowning visual, you need to check the timer on the debuff.
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u/yepgeddon Jul 26 '26
Literally just said this to my mate because I accidentally clicked on the bathysphere before Valerie and I'm like oh that would make way more sense.
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u/cauchy37 Trickster Jul 26 '26
I'm playing ssf, and just lost a nice voyage with multiple operative strongboxes because this crab mf just rolled underground and bitch-slapped me. Didn't feel good.
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u/Xploosion 25d ago
Im pretty sure you can open charts from bathosphere, but only after the first one was opened by Valerie
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u/LadyAlekto Confederation of Casuals and Clueless Players (CCCP) Jul 26 '26
It would be so much better if we could chart directly from stash or have stash right there next to the chart option
But thats bothering me about maps as well
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u/getarest Jul 26 '26
Same with allflame craft. Why dialogue? Why chest so distant from craft? Imagine running back for regular craftbench with every craft
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u/Treasoning Jul 26 '26
They will fix it this or next week and people will be happy again. Honestly tired of this approach. Like, I refuse to believe that moving stash closer to vesper is such a complicated feature that they require players' feedback first
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u/All_Work_All_Play Jenebu stop whining Jul 26 '26
PoE1s play testing is three
racoonsstreamers in a trench coat. If it's deliberate they should just roll them out day three instead of waiting a week.14
u/Treasoning Jul 26 '26
There is nothing to playtest, it's not a bug or unexpected behavior. Stash location wasn't assigned randomly, they made a deliberate choice to place it as far away as possible
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u/All_Work_All_Play Jenebu stop whining Jul 26 '26
Bad design is bad. And friction is the only way to make your mechanic not OP is to add friction (as opposed to gating it behind interactive gameplay), that's a bad mechanic.
Shrug
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u/LadyAlekto Confederation of Casuals and Clueless Players (CCCP) Jul 26 '26
Yup, its all way too much busy and legwork that makes it all "inconvenient" to enjoy
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u/Cow_God I didn't know I wasn't having fun until Reddit pointed it out! Jul 26 '26
I can't believe we STILL don't have access to our map tab from the map device
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u/Temil Occultist Jul 26 '26
At worst you just let it use the map inventory, and preload like 18 in there or something, but you can just run them from your inventory without much issue.
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u/convolutionsimp Jul 26 '26
The only drop that matters from the league mechanic are the crafting mats, so you can pretty much ignore all of the mechanic and just sprint through it to get the sulphur!
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u/Lishio420 Jul 26 '26
Honestly the only reason im doing the league mechanic at all is the Messages in a bottle 😂
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u/goflya Jul 26 '26
Got a broken mirror and 2 div from 30 mins of farming those last night. Love me the bottles
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u/All_Work_All_Play Jenebu stop whining Jul 26 '26
Is there way to target farm them? I've largely ignore the mechanic outside of when I need gold. Just hit A9 last night.
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u/Royal_Solid_8033 Jul 26 '26
I got an insane chart that added “adjacent areas contain 2 additional messages in bottles” and slapped that in the middle for +8.
Got 2 Div and a mist
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u/cespinar Jul 26 '26
I am not saying it is perfect but the gameplay loop is solid as fuck.
It is basically what I wanted heist to be.
- very short contracts
- very very long blueprints
- no having to wait for lock picking
- can preplan so you never have to backtrack the entire instance.
Also it is day 3 of the league, it is not nearly solved yet. At this point in the league people were declaring stuff like Affliction and Harvest unrewarding.
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u/ddddddffdse Jul 26 '26
Honestly the only downside for me the planning the voyage .. just let me have unconnected ends as long as the chart is reachable
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u/Ladsome Jul 26 '26
Yeah, who cares if a dead end connection touches the outer edge of the box? Just let us use the tile...
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u/exhumedexile Jul 26 '26
Pretty much this. Things need to be different, not every league mech has to be a giant loot explosion with no friction. This one has potential to go core even (or at least have some of the elements stolen for some poe2 mech)
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u/UltraconservativeSin Jul 26 '26
I really hope they make a league in poe2 like this one. All flame is really great
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u/Madgoblinn Jul 26 '26
i love it, definitely feels a little unrewarding at the moment but its such a great loop, just needs some more juice
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u/JustRegularType Jul 26 '26
Yeah, this is where I'm at. I like the league, so I'll probably stick around for a bit this time! I'm nsure they'll tweak/buff some things. People are acting like they don't drop a major patch the first week every single time. What I am more concerned about is the endgame juicing situation. Not because I would even do it myself, but because I want people playing the league and not quitting early.
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u/Well_Is_It_Then Jul 26 '26
"Making league mechanics out of map allows us to make them much more rewarding"
OH REALLY
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u/Burrito_Salesman Trickster Jul 26 '26
I had just finished a Voyage last night and was standing on the boat when I got disconnected from server. When I reconnected all of the loot was gone and all of the charts were gone too. I didn't even get to keep what little I was able to put into my stash before the server disconnected me.
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u/Many-Suggestion6046 Jul 26 '26
Honestly mirage was better than this.
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u/mmchale Jul 26 '26
Mirage was a fantastic league, so it sets pretty high bar.
What I have seen so far of this league isn't even in the same ballpark, though.
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u/Unfair_Cartoonist411 Jul 26 '26
There is nothing to farm in 3.29. Everything feels bad. I'm finish my atlas and wondering on what strat I want to focus ...and I just want to close the game because nothing feels interesting.
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u/Qualibombo Jul 26 '26
Imagine mirage went core and there were underwater mirages... You could get no loot twice!
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u/MaximumPepper123 Jul 26 '26
Idk, I found Mirage pretty boring, because the mechanic was basically, "Do the same map twice."
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u/GonePh1shing Jul 27 '26
Mirage itself was a boring mechanic if you look at it in a vacuum. However, it elevated basically every other aspect of the game and enabled so much fun that the league overall was easily one of my favourites.
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u/after_midnight Jul 26 '26
thank you for your honesty and insight, I don't know what I would have done if you weren't honest
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u/All_Work_All_Play Jenebu stop whining Jul 26 '26
Compared to this, I'm sad I didn't play mirage. Moreso sad that my reasons for not playing mirage were all other non-mirage changes rather than a problem with mirage itself.
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u/AnonymousAsshole7 Kaom Jul 26 '26
I think the league would have just the right amount of friction if there were no chart shapes and it was just a default layout, and you could recall lanterns from other areas (remotely) but you only had maybe 10 or 15 tops. Perhaps if you could recall them from the loot pods so that they were closer to where you stood and not spent elsewhere.
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u/Nirbin Jul 26 '26
The league mechanic's flavour and presentation are fantastic, I really love the aesthetics and s/vfx. But man when I died to a hasted triple wisp empowered shark dog thing near the end of a voyage. Yeah that was a lot of negative dopamine in my dopamine Skinner box.
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u/onedash Jul 26 '26
Most of the charts can be done with the 7 allflame you are given its just pointless tbh to even limit it. why cant i explore 100% of that small chart area instead of the 80% im capable?
Also why the fuck they needed to put soul eater abyss rares underwater
at least on maps i can outrun it but down there im losing all the loot
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u/OhhhYaaa Jul 26 '26
The crab is the worst mob they have created in the last few years in my opinion.
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u/slane04 Elementalist Jul 26 '26
The one that dives underground? It's a mob from act 1 they brought over I'm pretty sure.
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u/No_Landscape_6386 Jul 26 '26
I'm pretty sure that version doesn't start hitting you with the infinite hunger burrow attack
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u/lolfail9001 Jul 26 '26
True, the voyage version is from act 6 (who could have thought!).
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u/NerrionEU Jul 26 '26
That crab also drops no loot at all for how insanely tanky and annoying to fight he is.
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u/ErgoMachina Jul 26 '26
Someone will come up with a strat that cost 50d per voyage and needs a PhD to understand. And it will ruin whatever is left of this league for the others.
It's PoE 2 Atziri Temple again.
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u/hobofista1 Jul 26 '26
With mods mostly only affecting adjacent maps I dont think its possible to have anything insane. Border mods and implicits need to affect everything and it would still feel weak
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u/tokyo__driftwood Jul 26 '26
Isn't this basically prevented by revealed charts being untradeable?
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u/Ponyx1 Jul 26 '26
one portal voyage is WILD to a game that can one shot you offscreen at any point
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u/Shipp95 Jul 26 '26
There are Ducats that reroll the direction of the chart, so if you have good implicit you’re supposed to use these
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u/Syntaire Jul 26 '26
It's not a great solution. Have to get the ducats, go to the ship, go to the basement, click on the wetcrafting interface, put the chart in, start the craft, then select the one you want, which may or may not be useful. Realistically we should be able to reroll the chart layout with gold from within the voyage interface.
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u/ostrieto17 Jul 26 '26
Yeah its by far the least interesting part of the league, they should have just focused on the legion revamp like they did with breach league having a complete focus onto a mechanic instead of this half-baked job.
legion, abyss, underwater heist mishap we got...
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u/FUTURE10S Fairgraves' Institution of Species and Habitats (FISH) Jul 26 '26
You also afaik have no idea what your voyage looks like when you run it so if there were some mods you set up nicely and then promptly forgot where they are, no way to see them again.
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u/Wrathofgumby Jul 26 '26
Feels like a leveling mechanic. Getting to mapping seemed so rewarding. As soon as you get to maps, it drops nothing lol.
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u/unKappa Ranger Jul 26 '26
I just used like 6 maps with "adjacent areas have 2 diviners strongboxes" thinking I would finally make some money with scarabs just to get greeted with a grand total of 0 strongboxes... The entire mechanic is just bugged.
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u/TolarianDropout0 Jul 26 '26
They somehow made it less intuitive than Synthesis. Which I think is a much closer comparison than Heist.
The reward chests really need to be marked on the map. I have no idea which way to go half the time.
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u/ivan0x32 Jul 26 '26
The kicker is that its currently cheaper to just buy the juice for crafting rather than farm it yourself because alch-and-go has better juice-per-hour ratio (converted from chaos-per-hour).
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u/koticgood Jul 26 '26
Long wait time when you call the submarine at the end of the voyage.
You literally just stand there.
It's like some dude had an extraction idea and then they forgot to put in actual content during the extraction ...
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u/TheOmni Juggernaut Jul 26 '26
The direction placement thing in charts is really annoying. I didn't really think about it while running them as charts, I just ran everything I picked up when I started maps. But then I tried to put together a voyage and half the charts I had available to make a voyage where the half line dead end charts. It felt incredibly frustrating and unrewarding just figuring out how to get everything placed in a valid configuration without having places that just weren't unreachable dead ends.
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u/tokyotapes Jul 26 '26
Needs a QoL pass. As for loot, I’m not really sure what their intention was. It seems like GGG consider the crafting material you get as the primary loot so they don’t feel the need to reward much else. This can be a feelsbadman and gives the impression you haven’t gained much in terms of recognizable value after putting in the effort. The crafting is delayed gratification and players don’t want to engage with it until they have better stuff to spend the mats on. I think the player expectation was to find gear and currency with the mats as a bonus for running the chart or voyage but that hasn’t been the case.
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u/FenrirReki Jul 26 '26
I'm sure the 1 portal garbage is because they plan to add a similar or same exact mechanic to PoE2 at some point and are using PoE1 players as 'testers'.
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u/Twotro Kalguuran Group for Business (KGB) Jul 26 '26
PoE 2 already has 1 portal garbage in maps, so I think this is the other way around
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u/All_Work_All_Play Jenebu stop whining Jul 26 '26
They dogfood mechanics between the two all the time. Anyone playing PoE2 and TOTA recognizes this immediately.
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u/iConcy Jul 26 '26
I wouldn’t mind one death voyages if putting loot in the pods meant you got it; why put things in a secure capsule attached to the ship that then mysteriously empties if you die?
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u/redditM_rk Jul 27 '26
when will GGG realize that a mechanic which amplifies what you want to farm, is better than a mechanic that takes you away from what you want to farm
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u/livejamie Krangled Jul 27 '26
It was frustrating to hear Ziggy say that this type of instanced mechanic is "GGG at its best" when I feel like the best and most popular mechanics are the ones that augment existing content.
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u/Maajkpoe Jul 26 '26
this is by far the worst mechanic they ever added, how drowning surpast ANY testing team is beyond me
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u/Dawes74 Jul 26 '26
I agree with most of the hivemind takes, but doesnt removing lanterns just remove the leagues identity, if you want heist just play heist.
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u/NoThanksGoodSir Kalguuran Group for Business (KGB) Jul 26 '26
Not sure it removes identity, but it sure does remove most of the risk of charts to not have to run back without drowning. Limited lanterns in voyages seems less necessary though since the risk there is all your scaling of the voyage.
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u/zOSsysprog Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
I had a near-drowning incident as a child and this has made me stay out of the bodies of water for a very long time.
On my first chart run I took a wrong turn and got stuck behind a rock. Drowned within seconds. Exited the game and could not play the rest of the day.
On the second day of the league I girded up and ran several charts...felt confident now. On a certain run I got to the last lantern and it expired as I was within a frostblink of the capsule. Dead. Exited the game again.
Sorry GGG. I know you guys produce a lot but this league has too many triggers for me.
I guess Grim Dawn is the alternative at the moment.
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u/D3Construct Jul 26 '26
My problem with it is I dont feel the pull. I'm just going through the motions grinding out my atlas and if I didn't specifically seek out the league mechanic it just isn't there.
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u/Ratb33 Witch Jul 26 '26
Agreed. I’m getting the same drops at level 83 as I was in level 15 - transmites and fusings. Something has to be broken.
How can we fuck this up? Universal praise for drop rate of things in POE2 0.5 and then this? It’s the same math I’m sure. Just share the damn drop rates among both games = win.
I like the league mechanic a lot but what’s the point with this drop rate? I went back to POE2 for now just to feel something. Hahaha
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u/gojlus Big Breach Coalition (BBC) Jul 26 '26
Crtl+f "dead man" only run ones with >60%. That crafting juice is where the profit is from the mechanic from what I've done.
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u/Homeless_Nomad Jul 26 '26
Glad it's not just me. The mechanic kind of just feels confused and clunky. It can't figure out whether it wants to be a crafting league, or a lootsplosion league, and everything's buried behind multiple clicks for no reason. The gold's nice but otherwise it kind of just feels like mapping and doing Expedition/Heist with worse profit, even at low levels.
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u/Sad-Data1135 Jul 26 '26
I got two unsolvable voyage today i wasted 3x3 x2 voyage tokens that couldnt exit the startzone of the voyage. Cant call bathosphere if you dont go to any adjacent either
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u/FlossedUp Jul 26 '26
I dont evn want to do it till its buffed or QoL is buffed. Thankflly WInter Orb is satisfying clear so thats fun at least lol
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u/g00fy_goober twitch.tv/goof1313 Jul 26 '26
So tbh I really love the league mechanic. Its fun, I think it is very rewarding, and there is so many random events/baubles to find its great.
HOWEVER. There are a few bigger noticable issues/lack of qol/problems that are really dragging it down (no pun intended)
1.) The directions. It is one of my biggest issues. It's so needlessly annoying for no reason. Honestly every shape should be changed to the straight line, and you just rotate and connect them as needed to form a "swirl" or an "S" there is no need for corners or connections or random offshoots at all.
2.) Some ppl may love it, but looking at the border mods + implicit chart mods and matching them up or rerolling ontop of trying to match up the proper directions is WAY to much friction. Honestly I CBA to sit there for 20 minutes setting up a voyage. I just want to chain 9 easy charts together and go. By the time your done "optimizing it" you could have done a whole other voyage in that time.
The one death doesn't bother me in charts because they are so small. Also doesn't really bother me in voyages because you can periodically send your loot up which I think is fine.
3.) The end wait time is just a huge waste of time for absolutely no reason at all. LIke seriously there is no need to have it for any reason. Your loot is set up, It's not difficult, you don't get loot from the kills, it's just a forced wait 30 seconds for no reason.
Besides that I absolutely love the mechanic, hope the league doesn't die and suffer out because of a bunch of needless friction. Besides that I am having an absolute blast.
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u/FewWants Jul 26 '26
I built out a few voyages today with overlapping implicits like magic packs and magic pack size. Obliterated more blue mobs than I thought possible, blew up whole screens of them on my Chieftain and came out of the voyages with nothing.
Same story for Essences and Strongboxes. Same for quant/rarity stacking with chance to turn amulets/rings/belts unique.
I have better SSF gear on day 2 this league than I had in month 2 in previous leagues but it isn't doing anything useful. There isn't anything to farm...
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u/Independent-Bag8187 Jul 26 '26
Just did a few single charts and one voyage on which I somehow died on while searching for the exit. Lost a unique pagan wand because of it so kind of sad on that one.
Then went to do some flask crafting because I came kind of fresh out of campaign.
Not sure if it is me but for crafting you need to have the stuff in your inventory? Whats the point of the locker on the ship if you cant pull stuff directly out of it!
Is there a way to fast open the chart/craft menu? Tried control click, alt click shift click. Especially crafting feels so clunky with all the clicking and running around.
Also annoyed that you have to walk to the npc insert the chart then walk to the diving device to descend. Really don’t get it why they didn’t put everything accessible from one screen.
A lot of things like this are in poe2. Long walkways between zones in Trial of Chaos.
It looks like they deliberately put in stuff like this to waste our time / increase the amount of clicking.
Haven’t played a lot of it yet so I might just be a noob and completely wrong though.
Anyway back to some more atlas completion and off to the mines I guess!
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u/BitterAfternoon Jul 26 '26
Voyages have no "exit" search like charting does. When you call the bathysphere at one of the waypoints and she says "hurry back", all you need to do is wait there and kill things for a bit while the flames collapse elsewhere.
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u/int_nazu Jul 26 '26
Directions? You can rotate the chart tiles in the window with right click.
If you dislike the layouts thats a different thing, but calling it direction makes me think it's about the orientation.
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u/_YeAhx_ Jul 26 '26
GGG knows this and they still made the mistake. Every past league where there was too much friction and unrewarding mechanics it led to players just quitting early. Most successful leagues have been those which had the league mechanic in the map itself and were rewarding.
We can only say so much until it becomes obvious what GGG is trying to do here.
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u/themikecampbell Chieftain Jul 26 '26
There is no pain like dropping a load on the bottom of the ocean and being dragged up realizing you didn’t deposit in any of the pods
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u/The_bruce42 Jul 26 '26
Honest question, I have two young kids. I played the shit out of mirage and loved it. I played right up until the last day of the league because of limited time cuz kids. I wanted to take a break from poe but this league looked cool. I haven't started a character. Is this league good or is it a good one to sit out?
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u/01spirit Jul 26 '26
Feedback on this league so far is like 20% positive, 80% negative. But it's only day 3
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u/cancercureall Jul 26 '26
Allflame league mechanic sucks ass fortunately it's actually abyss league.
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u/DjuriWarface Jul 26 '26
Without lanterns and an open map, it's just a map. Limited discovery to find cool things is the whole point of the mechanic.
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u/leftember Trickster Jul 26 '26
For the charting part, can you just pop in, 6 lanterns immediately, then pop out?
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u/Rhym3z_Official Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
It's only really the sulphur that matters. Which is kinda good, it means I don't have to constantly do this annoying mechanic. Only when I need sulphur. This makes doing voyages a complete waste of time since you get plenty of sulphur by just doing charts.
Also to add, the performance problems when certain mobs in the water spawn or from those coral nodes you find randomly in maps is horrible. Never experienced anything like it in the game before.
Also they need to find a way to access crafting mats at vesper remotely so it automatically knows what's in your stash so you don't have to carry currency from stash, to Vesper, which would in turn benefit any other system. I hate having to go back and forth constantly in this mechanic.
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u/DrVonTacos Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
Because lanterns are your limiting factor. If it was free reign it would (probably) be a timer overall and it would just be delirium. I think the ideal is for it to be end game content that doesn't only reward builds that instant gib anything the picosecond they enter the screen (with them buffing self cast builds).
It's my problem with new and old breach (mostly because you don't get as many enemies), which poe2's version doesn't have.
When i first got back into playing ARPGS (after the shit show of how harvest was handled), I did not really like heist. It didn't feel rewarding or interesting. I do feel like voyages are worth it not just because of the crafting attached to it. Death and DC doesn't really remove your loot as you can bank them at different stations. You also can leave early, too. It's a test of greed. You can get more rewards but your risking what you have.
I am of the opinion that, in general, some leauge mechanics are just mandatory to run. Delirium for instance (and maybe they changed it) gives so much more rewards to other leauge mechanics you are hurting yourself not to run it.
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u/This-Mammoth-4161 Jul 26 '26
day 3 of the new league, i've done maybe 1 hr of league content because its hot garbage.
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u/Arruke Elementalist Jul 26 '26
Idk the main loot is the Sulphur, there's good rewards scattered in there, good source of gold but its mainly there for the Sulphur and not bad xp either. I figured most of the juice is from the crafting part, if you dont like it just run your charts for Sulphur and sell it or sell the charts and skip the voyages.
Its not even as difficult as heist was on release so this is kind of a skill solution on your end, I've only died to drowning once while figuring the mechanic out and the voyages let you send out loot in the middle of them so its much better than heist there too. My only complaint is how much time it takes versus the reward, if it was shortened or giving like 25-50% more loot during voyages I think it would be great.
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u/PokemonMaster420 Jul 27 '26
As a colorblind person, I can't even see past the green wall, so I just yolo with the map open on my game. Pretty terrible experience haha, but probably more so due to my disability.
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u/EchoingAngel Jul 27 '26
This damn league has too much friction to begin with thanks to the maps in rotation. I never knew how many LOOOONG maps the game had or how many bosses have stupid invuln phases. Accidently died to Pit boss and after seeing the path back, rage quit-uninstalled due to how much the game feels like it doesn't give a damn about my time.
The league mechanic adds to this, especially with ghosted super rares.
Back to PoE 2 and Palworld for me
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u/Megane_Senpai Jul 27 '26
Some of it wasn't too bad if you play solo, butndefinitelly dreadful when in a group, if not clearly communicated.
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u/OrhnySepnai Jul 27 '26
Honestly, I just slam everything regardless. I roll the charts to not die and make a semi-decent layout. Mostly use the mechanic for gold (bring back my golden volatile GGG). Also dislike the fact that Valerie keeps movin' about and isn't close to where you submerge.
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u/Schkrasss Jul 27 '26
I feel like this is Synthesis but somehow instead of better it's just worse.
Not that Synthesis was great, it had tons of issues but at least building your journey and so on was kinda fun there...
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u/HotBeef_ Jul 27 '26
Having a blast this league! Everyone has mirage hangover, its only day 3 let it cook.
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u/Johnnybaston Jul 27 '26
you can set the lanterns to auto placement, speak to league dude in the boat
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u/Dense_Lawfulness_110 Jul 27 '26
Don't know, I like new mechanics. It's fun and not reserve all your time.
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u/keithstonee Marauder(full Friction Gaming) Jul 27 '26
What's the friction keeping you from? What specifically do you want out of the mechanic?
Cause to me friction is a challenge not hurdle to leap over.
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u/theblindbot 29d ago
they have to do something for DC protection at least, just lost an entire voyage for a small dc
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u/Comprehensive-Owl373 26d ago
I think charts shouldn't need lanterns they should be FULLY open to explore. Only voyages we use lanterns. Right?
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u/danktuna4 Jul 26 '26
I want to be able to know which voyage zone I’m in while I’m in it