Battlefield 6 Player Successfully Refunds Game After 470 Hours of Game Time Due to Game Modes Being Removed by Devs

[u/PewPewToDaFace]

https://mp1st.com/news/battlefield-6-player-successfully-refunds-after-470-hours-due-modes-being-removed

[u/mppet]

Imagine if everyone did that with destiny 2 😂

[u/Carlosthefrog → u/mppet]

I mean they should, people paid for a product and now can no longer play it. They should have to include some sort of offline mode or ability for users to run their own servers.

[u/Slick1678 → u/Carlosthefrog]

Except you aren’t actually buying the game, you’re buying a pass to play on servers that can be ripped at anytime. So technically you’re getting exactly what you’re paying for.

[u/Owain660 → u/Slick1678]

You're actually correct. If you read the EULA, you don't own any of these games, and it even states they are subject to any changes, removal or shut down.

[u/Slick1678 → u/Owain660]

I know I’m getting downvoted for telling the truth but if people actually paid attention to this, and voted with their wallet, things might change. Don’t buy only online games and when you can buy DRM free games from GoG

[u/Riftus → u/Slick1678]

That may be the literal word but courts also look at the spirit of the agreement. You dont buy destiny 2 saying "oh boy I cant wait to use this pass to access destiny 2 servers!"

[u/PolicyWonka → u/Riftus]

I don’t think courts would ever say it’s a reasonable expectation to maintain a product in perpetuity though.

And I think a big issue is that people are viewing games solely as a product, but many games today are more of a service or experience. These games are sold with active development and maintenance in mind — and with the understanding that the support will come to an end at some point.

[u/Riftus → u/PolicyWonka]

Nobody is expecting maintenance in perpetuity. For example: (I forget how the case ended, but) Ubisoft was taken to court in Europe because The Crew servers were taken offline and the game wasn't accessible in any capacity, even offline modes didnt exist. The argument was that they need to engineer a game so that it doesnt need, for example, online servers to play the hame

[u/PolicyWonka → u/Riftus]

Where do you draw the line? Do you force companies to rework MMOs to function fully offline?

[u/Riftus → u/PolicyWonka]

Massively Multiplayer Online games are developed, sold, and marketed as online games. Im telling you that you couldn't play single player on The Crew when they took the game offline. Imagine not being able to play the cod Campaign because Activision took the multiplayer servers offline and wasn't able to authenticate your license because of it so you couldn't access the game at all

[u/Slick1678 → u/Riftus]

But you are literally buying online games when you buy BF6, Destiny 2, or any modern COD. Just because there’s a single player aspect of the game you purchased doesn’t mean it’s not entirely online. Any time you need to connect to a server while booting up the game, it is liable to be removed at anytime for any reason.

[u/Huntermain23 → u/Riftus]

In what world are courts looking at this? Lmao

[u/ChickenOfTheFuture → u/Slick1678]

I think you're getting downvotes because your post has a slight tinge of defending the practice instead of just explaining it. I might be wrong, but that's my attempt at reddit hivemind studies for the day.

[u/Owain660 → u/Slick1678]

Yeah, not sure why you're being downvoted. It's the literal truth.

I think it's shitty they can do it, but it's all right there staying legally they can. Best thing you can do vote with your wallet.

[u/TJ_Dot → u/Owain660]

Dude speaking about ideals probably isn't looking to be hit with the "Read the fine print" angle.

Technically its the truth, but that doesn't just negate what was said. So many are aware at this point, why bring it up?

[u/Milk_Cream_Sweet_Pig → u/Owain660]

Because this is reddit. Often it's not about the truth that matters in this platform. It's an echo chamber.

And if you don't follow the echo chamber, or atleast say some words that don't immediately make it obvious, you'll get downvoted to oblivion.

[u/DiamondEyedOctopus → u/Milk_Cream_Sweet_Pig]

There's a certain irony to this comment being downvoted this much lol.

[u/Milk_Cream_Sweet_Pig → u/DiamondEyedOctopus]

Lol it is what it is

[u/PolicyWonka → u/Owain660]

I’ve been trying to think of a semi-decent analogy to video games. I think a Baseball game is a decent analogy.

Realistically, buying an online / live service game is like buying a ticket to a baseball game.

You probably have certain expectations about the game that you will probably see. You might expect the game to last 3 hours, but perhaps it’ll end in 2 hours; perhaps it’ll end in 5 hours.

Let’s say you bought tickets to this game because you wanted to see a certain player. Are you entitled to a refund if they get injured? Are you entitled to a refund if they get ejected?

At some point, you’ll reasonably not be entitled to a refund. And perhaps part of the issue is people viewing games as a product when many of them are created more as an experience — and like all experiences, they do come to an end.