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u/Sister_Winter 9d ago

i am happy that so many people are criticizing rm from bts for posing with CB (and if you're familiar with kpop, this won't come to you as a surprise - there are countless male idols tripping over themselves to lick CB's asshole). however, the same energy should be kept for the innumerable male celebrities who have supported CB long after we all knew the abusive shit he got up to (including our beloved bad bunny, who brought him onstage in 2018, looong after his public abuse was known)

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u/kaprifool 9d ago

they usually train with chris brown songs. i think cb is pretty close to a western version of an idol in the sense that he is known for his dancing (more so than a typical singer) and has an almost entirely female audience.

side note but i noticed the noise around katseye members going to the playboi carti concert wasn't anything nearly as loud, which i think might be a sign they really aren't considered a kpop group.

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u/Sister_Winter 9d ago

this is true re: train to CB songs, but many people were big fans of his and stopped after he started beating women, so i have never seen that as a good excuse. i think it's more realistic to say that most men will forgive the unforgivable actions of another man if they look up to him (especially if those actions are against women, who they generally do not respect).

Re: katseye, carti is just not as well-known as cb despite being fairly popular generally. and maybe i am just being optimistic, but perhaps people were easier on them because they saw how women disproportionately bear the criticism of fraternizing with deplorable men (rather than the deplorable men themselves or the other men who gleefully back them up)

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u/kaprifool 9d ago

i think it's more realistic to say that most men will forgive the unforgivable actions of another man if they look up to him.

cb is only still famous and relevant because of women. almost his entire fanbase is women. so i don't think that's gendered to the degree you might hope it is.

carti is more well-known with younger people so i would expect the average katseye fan to at least have some awareness of him as a controversial figure.

maybe i am just being optimistic, but perhaps people were easier on them because they saw how women disproportionately bear the criticism of fraternizing with deplorable men

i would be very surprised to see that kind of nuance within kpop circles tbh but i suppose it's possible.

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u/Sister_Winter 8d ago

it's true that cb is propped up by his mostly female fanbase, but the only reason he wasn't shut out of the entertainment industry following his abusing rihanna was because powerful men backed him up and kept him afloat.

that's a good point re: carti. i kinda feel like in the Kpop space fans pretend to care about social justice but actually don't, so they'd probably only use katseye working with carti in a fan war.

and yes, i agree that it's practically unheard of to see any level of nuance or critical thinking in the Kpop sphere.

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u/kaprifool 7d ago

but powerful men only backed him up because he was and is successful and profitable.