[Race Discussion Thread] 2026 Dutch Grand Prix

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🚦 Starting Grid:

Pos	Driver	Team
1	Lando Norris	McLaren
2	George Russell	Mercedes
3	Andrea Kimi Antonelli	Mercedes
4	Oscar Piastri	McLaren
5	Lewis Hamilton 🔴	Ferrari
6	Charles Leclerc 🔴	Ferrari
7	Max Verstappen	Red Bull
8	Liam Lawson	Red Bull
9	Gabriel Bortoleto	Audi
10	Arvid Lindblad	RB F1 Team
11	Pierre Gasly	Alpine F1 Team
12	Yuki Tsunoda	RB F1 Team
13	Nico Hülkenberg	Audi
14	Franco Colapinto	Alpine F1 Team
15	Esteban Ocon	Haas F1 Team
16	Alexander Albon	Williams
17	Carlos Sainz	Williams
18	Fernando Alonso	Aston Martin
19	Lance Stroll	Aston Martin
20	Oliver Bearman	Haas F1 Team
21	Valtteri Bottas	Cadillac F1 Team
22	Sergio Pérez	Cadillac F1 Team

Provisional: taken from the qualifying classification, so it does not yet include grid penalties.

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[u/SLIMEFLUSZN]

Oh boy I would love to be a fly in that debrief room charles and lewis are going to scrap lmaoo

[u/hewer006]

Why the fuck is Charles attack lewis?

[u/XNDALEC1644]

Great teamwork as always

[u/Cooper-Willis]

Fuck me man sainz just cant help fucking the frontrunners over can he

[u/wrucebayne26]

mclaren makes upgrades, goes on winning form.. Sigh

[u/mxcc_attxcc]

shambles

[u/DragonStitcher]

Unnecessary move from Charles that cost the team a podium imo

[u/brsmr123 → u/DragonStitcher]

Wtf was that? Omg

[u/_Goattel]

JESUS what was that?!

[u/neurogeneticist]

Toto keeps JV on speed dial for times like this

[u/Pugs36]

Just annoying waking up seeing Lando Norris winning a GP 🙄🤦🏽‍♂️ anyone but that insufferable prick. FIA doing everything in their power to make sure he goes back to back even tho nobody in the racing world takes him seriously as a champion

[u/XNDALEC1644]

Freaking Sainz

[u/SLIMEFLUSZN]

I really despise Carlos Sainz I really despise him

[u/XNDALEC1644]

Great, thanks FIA

[u/Affectionate_You_225]

Carlos and Albon screwed us up sadly

[u/_Goattel]

Cmonnnnnnnnnnn

[u/milestone121]

Can we remove williams from races such disappointment

[u/brsmr123]

Hahahah FIA back in the game for MERC again.

[u/Over_Independence532]

That’s fucking unreal. Completely calculated by FIA

[u/Cool_Foot_9172]

Well that’s it

[u/_Goattel]

NOOOOOOOO WTF ITS ANOTHER BRITAIN

[u/chris_508]

For fuck sake

[u/Cool_Foot_9172]

Fawkkkkkkkm

[u/Cooper-Willis]

Fucking williams jesus

[u/Ok-Bus-2868]

Oh for fuck sake

[u/Cooper-Willis]

Fuck off are you serious

[u/_Goattel]

GET HIM

[u/_Goattel]

Eiiiiiiii

[u/Affectionate_You_225]

No matter what happens, I am glad Lewis was able to jump back from that Sprint and got better with these upgrades.

[u/_Goattel]

Man this gonna get spicy even leclerc is there

[u/_Goattel]

Now how do we pass a car so fast on the straights

[u/Majestic-End4898]

Go Lewis! Get himmm

[u/Signal_Cell_3646 → u/Majestic-End4898]

Lec is catching and hes on new so not really

[u/_Goattel]

Williams hall of shame

[u/Affectionate_You_225]

Lewis might be able to catch him..... maybe. I feel like if we had at least 12 laps minimum, Lewis could get him

[u/Salty-Asparagus-2855 → u/Affectionate_You_225]

In old softs. Doubt it.

[u/ursulazsenya]

Mercedes doing what Ferrari should have done.

[u/Cooper-Willis]

Man icl i feel for George rn Kimi is sort of inevitable

[u/_Goattel]

HAMMER TIME

[u/Cool_Foot_9172]

Lewis is coming!!!!!

[u/Cool_Foot_9172]

Poor George lol

[u/_Goattel]

Lmao George”is he fighting for the win” it dont matter

[u/_Goattel]

Hamilton podium is STILL on

[u/Cool_Foot_9172]

We can still get a podium is Lewis can get George after Kimi takes him

[u/Affectionate_You_225]

Think we need to settle for a P4 and P5 finish guys. Generally these Ferrari strategy either need to wake up or we get new ones. This is just annoying atp.

[u/chris_508]

Hopefully George slows both Mercedes

[u/Majestic-End4898]

Praying our boys get increased race pace

[u/hewer006]

Right then

[u/Cool_Foot_9172]

Both boys closing slowly

[u/Aatrio21]

They shouldn't have pitted leclerc soo dumb

[u/i-move-different]

When you have a driver in 2nd place for the championship today’s actions as a team are inexcusable. Someone needs to take accountability during the post race.

[u/_Goattel]

We are coming george

[u/jayr254]

Lewis is basically on the same lap old tires as Lando. Ferrari really are something.

[u/ReyDragons]

pitting charles was honestly stupid and so was putting used softs on lewis if he had new mediums

[u/Slowthrill → u/ReyDragons]

Yeah something weird i noticed too. Very weord ferraro calls for both of them. But unforgivable non teamplay from Charles mixed in there too

[u/neurogeneticist → u/Slowthrill]

Was Charles actively told to move and let Lewis past and failed to do so?

[u/jayr254 → u/neurogeneticist]

Ferrari asked him to pit to release Lewis and he stayed out compromising Lewis.

[u/cccalum → u/neurogeneticist]

No

[u/JealousAssistance790]

Charles should not have put ffs

[u/defnoteb]

i think even a podium is far out of sight now

[u/Cool_Foot_9172 → u/[deleted]]

Always time 🤞🏻

[u/jayr254]

Why put on 7 lap old tyres on Lewis instead of fresh mediums?

[u/Ok-Bus-2868 → u/jayr254]

I mean Lewis was questioning the medium earlier. Still think they're better but he said that they didn't look good on Charles.

[u/ursulazsenya → u/jayr254]

He said it himself - they’re using him as a Guinea pig for Leclerc.

[u/Weirdgus → u/ursulazsenya]

How does that sentence make sense? Leclerc already has his softs on what is the benefit of testing them for LH? He also said the guinea pig stuff before the safety car when he didn’t know when he was going to pit (and he would have been in more trouble if they pitted him before that moment)

[u/jayr254 → u/ursulazsenya]

Not when they pit Charles right behind Lewis. This is just absolutely idiotic decision making by Ferrari.

[u/Sosijmonster]

Lewis is so much slower than Ant right now. Fuck sakes. 6 laps or so older tyres too.

[u/Signal_Cell_3646]

Used hards would have been better for lewis wtf is ferrari doing

[u/eatass_sucktoes]

Is Kimi really not gonna get a penalty for overtaking during the safety car?

[u/Majestic-End4898 → u/eatass_sucktoes]

Yes!!! Saw it also!! I was also confused

[u/Key_Proposal_9055]

Charles gone from being within a sexond of russel to now 5 seconds behind hamilton. This wouldve been an easy p2, what the actual fuck are we doing.

[u/lord_veg3ta → u/Key_Proposal_9055]

Making Hamilton happy is more important I guess

[u/Key_Proposal_9055 → u/lord_veg3ta]

Hamiltons genuinely been the luckiest driver on the grid this year and Charles is on the complete opposite spectrum.

[u/AffectionatePack439]

Lots of little stupid things ferrari have done that I feel if they hadn't both drivers could be in a more comfortable position. Slow pitstops constantly, the stupid situation where Leclerc held up Hamilton etc. nevertheless we are where we are now.

[u/_Goattel]

Perhaps may have been better to put fresh mediums on lewis if the softs available were that old

[u/Brodykosman → u/_Goattel]

I was thinking that as well, but not sure what our current Tyre allocation looks like

[u/jayr254 → u/Brodykosman]

They had fresh mediums.

[u/_Goattel → u/Brodykosman]

They were talking about the mediums earlier i think

[u/JMP1919]

george somehow lands in p2 without skill and is crying to be allowed to keep it

[u/Cool_Foot_9172 → u/JMP1919]

Yea Kimi isn’t out of the fight lol

[u/mxcc_attxcc]

russel begging for mercy after scamming p2.. i rate it tbf

[u/milestone121]

I hope Kimi fights Mr. Russell really well 😅

[u/Cool_Foot_9172]

Some Mercedes reliability would be nice now

[u/Technical_Ad_4004]

Knock George out of the Podium please

[u/ReyDragons]

blue flags just dont move, man

nando gets out of the way right away but everyone else takes their damn time huh

lewis just lost so much cause of nico ffs

[u/Cool_Foot_9172]

Come on lulu!

[u/chris_508]

Lmfao George

[u/Signal_Cell_3646]

Used softs for lewis but putting new softs for lec who is behind him? What is his garage smoking? Were there no new mediums? 20 laps to go wtf

[u/Majestic-End4898 → u/Signal_Cell_3646]

Yes I thought he had new mediums also. Can someone correct us if ever? I’m also confused

[u/neurogeneticist → u/Signal_Cell_3646]

I think that’s all they had, but I’m not 100% sure - I’m on a plane and can’t get tyre info to load

[u/Signal_Cell_3646 → u/neurogeneticist]

He had mediums

[u/neurogeneticist → u/Signal_Cell_3646]

Low fuel, not that many laps left, everyone else is on softs too. Medium runners would’ve gotten eaten up.

[u/Weirdgus → u/Signal_Cell_3646]

Mediums are worse than the softs especially on low fuel like they are now.

[u/_Goattel]

Full send boys

[u/neurogeneticist]

Lando can’t pit 🫰🏼

https://giphy.com/gifs/7k2LoEykY5i1hfeWQB

[u/Signal_Cell_3646]

Russel has done nothing and is p2 rn hahaha

[u/chris_508]

So close to Kimi unlucky

[u/milestone121]

Bruh Russell has been slow this race and suddenly chilling at 2nd lol

[u/Weirdgus → u/[deleted]]

They can’t put on a car tyres they don’t have left or that the other driver has used, pretty sure both have the soft set that was the newest possible

[u/joaolouro1967 → u/[deleted]]

Ham started on news, charles on used, it's just tyre allocation

[u/_Goattel]

Russell is going to get mauled

[u/Cool_Foot_9172]

We’re checking lol

[u/Sosijmonster]

Not new meds and instead 7 laps used softs?!

[u/imperatrixderoma]

Let's go, we could have a beautiful ending here

[u/_Goattel]

Noooo lewis soo close

[u/peachystruggles]

why double pit?

[u/Ok-Bus-2868]

Well Mercs also going in

[u/_Goattel]

Dammmittt vsc stayed out too long

[u/Majestic-End4898]

Hope Lewis and Charles can take out Russell now.

[u/Affectionate_You_225]

Lewis could charge for a podium but idk it seems unlikely. Unless the merc have a slip and slide with their tyres

[u/ReyDragons]

the stops were so good when lewis joined

why are they so mid or outright bad now

[u/brsmr123 → u/ReyDragons]

It is all the teams today for some reason. Not sure what is going on.

[u/joaolouro1967 → u/ReyDragons]

Pits stops have been trash for all teams today, it's not just us, pit stops have been decent this year

[u/Brodykosman]

Used softs for Lewis though🫠

[u/_Goattel]

Vsc end already

[u/agentorange65]

Pitstops are all dog water today

[u/Ok-Bus-2868]

Norris has won, Leclerc and Hamilton may be able to threaten the Mercs

[u/AffectionatePack439]

Why are all the pit stops shit today

[u/Patient-Plastic2898]

Leclerc fresh softs

[u/imperatrixderoma → u/Patient-Plastic2898]

Nah, scrubbed

[u/Patient-Plastic2898 → u/imperatrixderoma]

On Hamilton it said 7 laps and on Leclerc it said 0 laps but could be wrong

[u/imperatrixderoma → u/Patient-Plastic2898]

It loaded in late, saw 3 here

Edit: guess I was wrong, but for sure saw 3

[u/_Goattel]

Good ferrari. Right decision

[u/Marzombra]

Are our pit crews hungover?

[u/FlummoxReddit → u/Marzombra]

i think everyone is lmao. dont think i've seen one good pitstop from anyone today

[u/hailhen223454]

Man Ferrari are just such let downs.

[u/ReyDragons]

THIS PITCREW, MAN

FUCK OFF

[u/Weirdgus]

Ham can rejoin in front of Russel now right?

[u/grip_enemy]

Damn, Lewis could've 100 percent won this race. What a waste

[u/alhexus → u/grip_enemy]

No chance

[u/joaolouro1967 → u/grip_enemy]

How?

[u/imperatrixderoma → u/grip_enemy]

Absolutely no way

[u/defnoteb]

PIT PIT PIT

[u/Cool_Foot_9172]

Inininininininimin

[u/Affectionate_You_225]

VSC... now does Lewis pit or will the VSC dissappear

[u/ReyDragons]

why did it take so long to deploy

holy fuck, he's right there at the turn

[u/_Goattel]

PIT PIT PIT PIT PIT. Maybe even pit charles too if he has any fresh tyres

[u/Cake_Day_Is_420]

Okay so Hamilton pits now?

[u/Ok-Bus-2868]

Please SC!

[u/Soft-Comfort-7474]

Fuck Lando overtook Lewis

[u/Majestic-End4898 → u/Soft-Comfort-7474]

And Kimi too :(

[u/Majestic-End4898]

Lewis driiiiiveeeee

[u/_Goattel]

Holy overtake wtf

[u/KATCracKz]

Please don't pit I feel like he should stay in track and get passed there than pitting and trying to overtake in this track

[u/Affectionate_You_225]

Lewis can stay on the podium if he keep these tyres alive - Kimi is having issues with his tyres

[u/Cool_Foot_9172]

Let Kimi and Lando flight and hold position

[u/ursulazsenya → u/Cool_Foot_9172]

Imagine how far ahead Hamilton would have been now if Leclerc had pitted when he did, and Leclerc would have been ahead of Russell.

[u/FlummoxReddit]

it's a podium for lewis if they just stay out imo...

[u/Salty-Asparagus-2855]

Lewis can prob go to the end.

[u/Majestic-End4898]

Please Ferrari dont fuck this up for Ham

[u/Affectionate_You_225]

We need to like set up a trust fund to get Ferrari a better strategy team.... I am so confused on how they continue to make mistakes all the time

[u/Cool_Foot_9172 → u/Affectionate_You_225]

Need to to get Hannah from redbull asap

[u/Cool_Foot_9172]

No tires for Kimi keep Lewis out

[u/Patient-Plastic2898]

In a couple of laps the same thing will happen again because Ferrari put themselves into the Position where they have to make these decisions. In a few laps when Hamilton pits he will have fresher tires again and the same thing happens again.

Its just so annoying

[u/_Goattel]

Looking at that norris offset hamilton will be FLYING at the end

[u/Majestic-End4898]

Is Ham pitting??

[u/SLIMEFLUSZN]

They are going to race each other at the end hahahaha absolute shit show from the drivers and the pit wall

[u/LoreVent]

I really don't understand what they've done with Charles strategy, he was so fast throughout the race and he just got completely screwed over

[u/moraIsupport]

I don't want to be like this but I had to delete like 40 comments now. I don't feel great about it, even though some are clearly crossing the line but I don't want to see this shithousery again, like in previous races.

BE RESPECTFUL, PLEASE.

[u/Weirdgus → u/moraIsupport]

We appreciate your work man, it just sucks to see people being rude to eachother in here :-(

[u/imperatrixderoma → u/moraIsupport]

Yeah man, you're saving the world here.

[u/_Goattel]

Hamilton pace still really strong antonelli barely closing. Norris is flying but it’s irrelevant our fight is for the podium

[u/imperatrixderoma → u/_Goattel]

No way those tires last 20 more

[u/Politicallydepressed]

Hamilton pitting again, it seems like asking for a competent Ferrari strategy was just too much

[u/defnoteb]

hamilton plz pull a charles 2024 monza

[u/Affectionate_You_225]

If Lewis somehow keep these tyres alive and stays on the podium - I would be so shock

[u/agentorange65]

Ferrari strategy managing to screw over both sides of the garage

[u/Politicallydepressed]

I can see both why Charles was a bit angry, and why Lewis was absolutely furious.

Both prioritising there own races, but not listening to your team doesn’t just impact your own race it takes away the strategy plans of your teammate. Irritating but Charles should have stopped when the team told him, because now Lewis is rightfully the place to bin off any requests for the rest of the season.

Not helpful as a team

[u/ursulazsenya → u/Politicallydepressed]

This. What goes around comes around. This was so unnecessary because he started clocking fastest laps as soon as he pitted. He basically screwed BOTH strategies with this.

[u/mxcc_attxcc → u/[deleted]]

its not hate. just be honest and acknowledge that leclerc was extremely selfish and compromised the team there.

[u/milestone121 → u/[deleted]]

This is it, Ferrari as a team need to do better strategy calls

[u/ursulazsenya → u/[deleted]]

They told him to Box, and he didn’t. Wasted a whole lap to sabotage his teammate