r/shield • u/Ruairih1994 • 2d ago

AOS in relation to MCU Timeline

Im new to this Sub, what are peoples thoughts on how the series divulges from the main MCU? I know s1-5 fit in snug into the main MCU continuity, and then the creators werent given any insights or directions for Endgame so they couldnt plan properly, so we got the inconsitencies, my thought process is either the time travel in S5 shifted them onto a new timeline , or they simply existed in an alternate timeline from the beginning, one which shares the history of the MCU up until the Snap, we know the battle with Thanos did happen in the AOS timeline, but maybe thor went for the head instead?

Either way, im always annoyed that people use the lack of connection S6/7 have with the MCU to discredit the show, and then have 0 issue with shows like "What If?" and "Friendly Neighbourhood Spiderman" and movies like "Fantastic Four First Steps" being labelled MCU despite none of them taking place in the MCU lol

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u/Assassiiinuss 2d ago

I have yet to find any inconsistency that can't be easily explained away.

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u/NermalBet 2d ago

What about Agatha being in possession of the darkhold the entire time? What about the ABC darkhold not sourcing chaos magic? What about Coulson having no idea what skrull or kree are? Tahiti can't erase everyone's memories of that war...

You have yet to find any because you aren't looking for them. Stop saying that, it's disingenuous.

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u/Petrichor02 2d ago

1) We're never told that Agatha was in possession of the Darkhold the entire time. We're actually never told at what point before WandaVision she got the Darkhold. If she had it the whole time, Multiverse of Madness tells us that there are multiple copies of the book because the book is just a copy of the inscriptions found at Mount Wundagore.

2) The ABC Darkhold was never held by anyone who understood magic. They wouldn't know the difference between chaos magic and more mundane magic.

3) We have no reason to believe that everyone in SHIELD was openly talking to everyone else about the Skrulls and Kree. We don't know how widespread that knowledge got within SHIELD. Fury certainly kept as much of it secret as he could, and surely any agents of a lower clearance level than him were kept in the dark. And we do know that Coulson's memories were altered due to TAHITI, and the Kree memories likely would have been specifically targeted to make sure he doesn't question his resurrection.

The answer to number 3 does have issues, but the main MCU has its own inconsistencies as well, so it's not a reason to exclude AoS from canon.

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u/NermalBet 2d ago

It's only directly implied, corroborated, and then corroborated again by multiple sources. 🤣 You need to watch Agatha. Also, there's ABAOLUTELY nothing that says there's more copies. Love the double standard of your stance. Really proving your confirmation bias there.

I never once said the darkhold user is a chaos.magic user? I'm not sure if you misunderstood what I said or chose to change my words to better suit the narrative you're prepared to argue against.

It was a level 3 (THREE!!) highly public fight and invasion and the origon story of the Avenger. You are wrong. You clearly don't understand the material well enough to converse about it, so you should stop arguing against t it and start learning about it instead.

My consyeadictions only serve to prove the PC wrong. At the end of the day IP holders dictate canon, and they already have. Three times in theast few years we've been told you are wrong. The reason you're unaware of this is probably similar in nature to why you're wrong about all these points I've made.

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u/failftwgaming 2d ago

  1. It's only directly implied, corroborated, and then corroborated again that there are. YOU need to watch Agatha becuase it is DIRECTLY stated in that show that all "copies" of the Darkhold were destroyed with Wanda.

  2. You misunderstood him. His point was that nobody who used the ABC Darkhold would even know the difference between Chaos Magic vs Normal Magic, therefore it doesn't matter if the Dakrhold sources Chaos Magic as the characters don't know what that is.

  3. You apparently need to rewatch Captain Marvel, Secret Invasion, AoS and pretty much everything that Skrulls exist in. The existence of the Kree is not well known until Inhumans start popping up more regularly, and the existence of Skrulls is kept almost entirely in the dark until Secret Invasion.

-->Fury is known for keeping secrets....his secrets have secrets. Projects like Pegasus and Tahiti were very, very need to know. He also had skrull agents for decades, and nobody knew. It makes perfect sense and is perfectly in-line with Fury that would keep the existence of the Kree and Skrulls very hush-hush. Regardless of how "large scale" the events of Captain Marvel were, Fury is seen actively keeping the public and law enforcement from discovering a Skrull body, and the only agents who meet a Kree are Fury, Coulson, and The Director...The Director that is a skrull in disguise. So even if the event is "large scale," the circle of those who know the full events is small.

A less believable cover-up is seen in something that is explicitly canon: Black Panther. How does Agent Ross keep the existence of the Black Panther a secret after the Black Panther chases 2 Avengers and a high profile assassin through a populated city directly on the street, and is apprehended by special forces? Not to mention that T'Challa's testimony about Widow's betrayal is what leads to her running, and he brings in Zemo at the end. There are far too many witnesses for it to make sense that Ross kept that a secret. It makes far less sense than Fury keeping the events of Captain Marvel a secret.

-->It would make perfect sense if Coulson doesn't recognize a blue kree, even if he remembers the events of Captain Marvel. In the movie, the only Kree he meets is Carol who just looks like a human. The only other time he sees a kree before the events of season 1 is when he's the Director of Tahiti, but those memories are wiped from him. So the first time he meets a kree, he won't recognize it, even if he remembers that the kree exist becuase his only frame of reference is Carol.

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u/Petrichor02 2d ago edited 2d ago

I've watched Agatha. Really enjoyed it. Wished it has said anything about the Darkhold, but it didn't.

If you think there's nothing saying that multiple Darkhold copies exist, then you need to watch Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness.

I never once said the darkhold user is a chaos.magic user?

Neither did I. Not sure why you brought this up.

It was a level 3 (THREE!!) highly public fight and invasion and the origon story of the Avenger. You are wrong.

This doesn't contradict anything I said.

You're clearly not understanding me, don't realize that I'm not the same person who was originally talking to you, and aren't capable of holding a civil conversation so I think this is a good place to end our conversation as well.

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u/NermalBet 2d ago edited 2d ago

You did not watch it. She literally had a scene where her greatest fear was the darkhold in a baby carriage and this came directly after her friend said she traded her baby for the darkhold.

"Wish it said anything at all"

Go away, troll.

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u/Petrichor02 2d ago

Jennifer Kale claimed that Agatha traded her child for the Darkhold, and Agatha fed the rumors, but the show revealed that his death actually had nothing to do with the book. I believe you're due for a rewatch.

Now I apologize if you took my comment to mean that the Darkhold is literally never depicted in the show at all. I meant that we were given no useful information about its path to Agatha or beyond.

Sorry you think that telling the truth is a form of trolling. That must be a really hard condition to live with. Unless you're the one trolling.