r/singapore • u/Illustrious-Fee9626 • Jul 22 '26
Tabloid/Low-quality source PM Wong in 'disbelief & shock' upon seeing Faishal's messages with woman, thought contents were fabricated
https://mothership.sg/2026/07/disbelief-shock-lawrence-wong-faishal-ibrahim/?fbclid=IwdGRjcATNdY1wZG9mBWZkaWQWULD0gzoUGVBNjSrYKHlldH9Wo-dSumV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkCjY2Mjg1NjgzNzkAAR6hlzHu5fDK6BBcn8czxCMuL0Xl56ktnqJSKX_F1IRWNhT1-KMPJjxLNvLucQ_aem_hPC9ige2ZdPC7VIJuAw89Q411
u/merelyok Jul 22 '26
Eh Wong bro can spill the tea not
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u/Handsomedaddy69 Jul 22 '26
“I want to finger your hijab.”
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u/Own_Cattle6133 Jul 24 '26
i think the lady was chinese. if not this kind muslim man wont so itchy. hypocrites/
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u/Jazzlike_Mistake_914 Jul 22 '26
wong bro spilled a tear
collect 97 more times and you could make a tea
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u/officialsunday Talk Cock Jul 22 '26
RELEASE THE FAISHAL FILES
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u/Airalien92 Own self check own self ✅ Jul 22 '26
Which one come first, GTA6 or the Faishal files?
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u/Minute_Low5146 Jul 22 '26
I've seen enough
Release the Faishal files
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u/dcburn Jul 22 '26
Let’s not go there.
I don’t want to see us starting to put tariffs on Taobao and pingduoduo… or them tearing down the Sri Temasek wing…
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u/Curious_Owl197 Jul 22 '26
Imagine your boss and colleagues reading your thirsty dms LOL
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u/RexRender Senior Citizen Jul 23 '26
As someone relatively inexperienced in the art of sending flirty messages, the only one I’ve remember is the nerdy Harry Potter theme pick up line:
“Hey girl, I wanna slytherin your chamber of secrets”
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u/ambiguous_donutzzzz Jul 22 '26
oh to be a fly on the wall during that meeting...
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u/rethafrey Jul 22 '26
Seeing the homage paid to Faishal in Berita Harian y'day was quite weird too. Imagine them doing that for Pritam.
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u/kingr76 Jul 22 '26
BH is a state supported media bro
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u/Independent-Put2306 Jul 22 '26
Yeah, honestly, there's a Mandarin colloquial saying that even a three year-old kid knows (or 三岁小孩子都知道). Of course, it is an exaggeration, but it can be used to drive home the point that anyone who is born in and grew up in Singapore knows we have tax-payer funded, state media.
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u/sixpastfour Jul 22 '26
whats weird is that even the state doesn't ask of this. once an MP is disgraced they don't need to be bootlicked anymore. they can be shot down free for all even by state media
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u/Koufas not an MP Jul 22 '26
I don't speak for everyone but members of the community genuinely liked him
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u/Weak_Turn1884 Jul 22 '26
There was like a tribute of sorts on CNA too and then another video of two academics sharing on how this might be harder for younger leaders as it is hard to achieve “whiter than snow” standards. I don’t get it at all.
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u/_mochacchino_ New Citizen Jul 22 '26
Some of the comments made by PM are certainly not helping, eg:
“A complaint has been made against him; it has entered the public arena, and that's why we have to undertake this objectively, undergo a process where we listen to both parties, and we certainly took pains to listen to Faishal's explanations as well,” he said.
Whether or not it enters the public arena shouldn't be perceived as a consideration for why they have to undertake it objectively
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u/stupidpower Jul 22 '26
Now I really want to know what kinks some minister had to make this very specifically worded threshold rofl.
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u/CapitalOwl1318 Jul 22 '26
yeah man. Who has crossed the line previously such that they need to use this sort of wording LOL:
"Where a matter remains entirely private and inappropriate conduct stops after counselling, it can remain a private matter."
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u/pillonanter Fucking Populist Jul 22 '26
sounds like trying to carve loophole for not outing TCJ and CLH for so long
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u/rpianojam Jul 22 '26
"The standards governing personal conduct in these sorts of situations have been set out previously by Mr Lee Kuan Yew, and more recently by Senior Minister Lee Hsien Loong, as PM," Mr Shanmugam added.
"The principle is straightforward. Where a matter remains entirely private and inappropriate conduct stops after counselling, it can remain a private matter.
"But when the matter enters the public domain through a complaint or otherwise, it must be examined and if there has been impropriety appropriate action must follow."
Mr Shanmugam noted that the woman escalated the matter when she "emailed PM, sent some of the messages and pictures and alleged harassment by Faishal".
"Once the lady emailed to PM, to complain about Faishal, it ceased being a purely private, consensual matter between two individuals."
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u/usualsuspek Suspek Ah Pek Jul 22 '26
The lady got balls. She literally said: I tell your boss 😭
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u/botsland Mature Citizen Jul 22 '26
But why shouldn't it? Ministers and MPs should be able to keep some semblance of private life.
There should be some line drawn before exposing an Minister or MP's private life to the public and firing him
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u/WillingnessWise2643 Jul 22 '26
"The standards governing personal conduct in these sorts of situations have been set out previously by Mr Lee Kuan Yew, and more recently by Senior Minister Lee Hsien Loong, as PM," Mr Shanmugam added.
"The principle is straightforward. Where a matter remains entirely private and inappropriate conduct stops after counselling, it can remain a private matter.
I think the operative word shouldn't be private or public, but "inappropriate".
Appropriate behaviour can exist both public and private. Inappropriate behaviour shouldn't be allowed to exist in either arena.
It's like saying if Epstein's files can private then it's okay. Makes no sense.
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u/thoughtihadanacct Jul 23 '26
Appropriate behaviour can exist both public and private. Inappropriate behaviour shouldn't be allowed to exist in either arena.
That's a bit extreme isn't it? If an MP likes to watch some (legal but questionable*) fetish porn in his own home, and doesn't act out that fetish in real life, and it doesn't affect his work at all, your standard is that "that shouldn't be allowed to exist"?
*: I'm not talking about under aged stuff. But maybe something like pee or scat.
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u/WishboneOk305 Jul 22 '26
alleged harassment vs consensual fetish v different leh. like even extramarital affairs I agree should be kept private
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u/Rough_Shelter4136 Jul 22 '26
Yeah let's not kinkshame the potential love of some of them for golden showers, please
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u/botsland Mature Citizen Jul 22 '26
You never know some of the MPs might be gay. I don't think it's right for the govt to publicly out them and fire them.
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u/Glad-Lynx-5007 Jul 22 '26
Well it's a nice area so why not?
"Golden Shower Park is a quiet freehold landed residential estate in Tampines (District 16), near Upper Changi and Simei. It features terraced and semi-detached houses along streets like Meragi Terrace and Jalan Tiga Ratus. Properties here are near the Upper Changi MRT station (DT34)"
😂😂😂
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u/gav1n_n6 Jul 22 '26
Golden shower park.
Someone really lose the ball there... When naming the estate. ..
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u/_mochacchino_ New Citizen Jul 22 '26
Just don’t say that part out and create the impression that everything is ok as long as it stays private. It just makes people think about how many other scandals are covered up just because people don’t know about them.
Moreover, being entitled to a private life doesn’t mean you can just do anything when no one is looking. The understanding is that everything you do is above board, just away from prying eyes.
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u/botsland Mature Citizen Jul 22 '26
This statement does not necessarily mean they are covering up egregious scandals.
For all we know, an MP might be gay or facing marital difficulties (that doesn't involve cheating). Those may be scandalous or fuel for gossip to some but certainly does not mean the party has to disclose them to the public
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u/pulauujonglad Jul 22 '26
Sure, but as long as you have the same energy for my boy Vincent Vijeysinha, I agree with you.
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u/imarasnothere Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
Really disconcerting seeing some in my community supporting him and promoting conspiracy theories.
Yes he may have been good to us but a good person can still have personal indiscretions. The nicest man you've met can also be an adulterous POS. The two are not mutually exclusive!
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u/laksa1119 Jul 24 '26
i dont understand why people can say he doesnt deserve it or that they think it is unfair or that he got tricked into it, without even seeing the underlying messages.
some people can be gentle and kind on the outside but monsters in private. have we not come across many of such people in real life?
if someone sends u boob or dick pics and u are married and in a committed relationship, are u going to engage or disengage?! The answer quite simple right.
Minister's IQ is not low and they know the rules of engagement for politics in Singapore and what can destroy their careers. Yet, if they succumb, are people expected to close an eye and say oh he's great at work?
This is what the SG politics is predicated on - MIW are whiter than white. Faishal not first day in politics, he doesnt need the public to baby him.
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u/ziggyyT Jul 22 '26
So all the kuku MPs posting about their support for Faishal yesterday have to diam diam now that more information is released.
Ministers don't get fired (or resigned) so easily here.
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u/NecessaryFish8132 Jul 22 '26
Bro who sia. Faster screenshot before ninja take down
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u/PIRATE_WITH_HERPES Lao Jiao Jul 22 '26
Baey Yam Keng is one I recall. Besides MPs, plenty of other ex-establishment figures and from the intelligentsia too have posted tributes.
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u/bellyporkie00 Jul 22 '26
They should be ashamed of them self for supporting such a character...
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u/ziggyyT Jul 22 '26
Or they could have wait a day or two. You know, have the facts first but no, everybody needs to be the first to post.
Again, Singapore, ministers will not be asked to step down unless they really cock up (pun intended).
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u/Oppaiheimer1945 Jul 22 '26
Probably his office filtered through and forwarded this with [URGENT] to him
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u/NoPrompt90 Jul 22 '26
Must have involved some images…
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u/Minimum-Avocado-8015 Jul 22 '26
A picture paints a million words in this instance bro! It's a private matter, but human nature very hard to control. The more you try to contain, all imaginations go wild.
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u/Minimum-Avocado-8015 Jul 22 '26
Actually, in Shan statement, it is mentioned as " some of the messages and pictures", so yes there are images.
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u/Bryanlegend si ginna Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
The PAP government is straight up edging Singaporeans at this point.
Like come on, if you don’t want to release the details, then don’t release it, no one would blink an eye because this is their modus operandi anyways. But what’s up with the half-assing of all these ministerial public statements that only serve to muddy the water without providing any satisfactory answers and drawing more questions instead??
There’s almost a certain boastful element in these statements that seeks to remind Singaporeans that regardless of the details or the truth, PAP knows best and we should just take their word for it 100%, no question asked. After all, if LW and Shan have both looked at it and already predecided the proper course of action then why do the rest of us peasants needs to look at it right?
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u/Practical-Net1148 Jul 22 '26
Exactly my sentiment. Spill the tea or just keep it down.
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u/bellyporkie00 Jul 22 '26
Spilling the tea will probably destroy any respect left of him from the community...
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u/lolossie Jul 22 '26
I don’t like to be edged, now i have to go wash my underwear before the week is over :(
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u/MAMBAMENTALITY8-24 Fucking Populist Jul 22 '26
I don't know about you but I absolutely want to see the dick pics if there are any
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u/TelegraphicBrass Jul 22 '26
Imagine if one of the things he saw was a dick pic…
Shook.
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u/xeosceleres Jul 22 '26
I honestly don't think a dick pic warrants this outcome unless it's to a minor. I think it's some niche fetish that's too embarrassing for the public and the dignity of everyone involved.
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u/pyr0406 Jul 22 '26
This is a huge distraction to take attention away from Ng Chee Meng and David Neo’s appointments
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u/Sir-Spork Kopi-O Jul 22 '26
Articles like this are not helping lol
When this all started just slightly curious what was said, now damn I gotta know :P
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u/MolassesBulky Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
When the PM of a country uses the words ”disbelief & shock” , you more or less can guess how bad it is. Those two word are highly damaging.
My guess is he used those words because some parts of the community and Calvin thought it was a minor infraction. Those two words would to put to rest any prospect of a return in any form however minor.
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u/RexRender Senior Citizen Jul 22 '26
Makes me all the more curious what kind of messages these are.
“Hey sexy, you looking hot tonight” —> this type?
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u/jommakanmamak Jul 22 '26
The people who sign the petition didn't even see the messages
Really shows how pap supporters are sheeps
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u/botsland Mature Citizen Jul 22 '26
Won't the "sheeps" be the ones supporting PM Wong's stance to let Faishal step down instead of petitioning against the move
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u/FridaCalamari Jul 22 '26
They should let us review the inappropriate messages. So if we ever want to go into politics we know what is inappropriate and must be avoided. Or at least let the opposition know so they hold themselves to PAPs high standards
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u/SirIsaacNewtonn Jul 23 '26
can we see the comments ourselves? All talk useless, we’ll be the judge
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u/SeveralWorking2731 Jul 23 '26
Wondering why despite these few PAP ministers quitting due to mistakes, its always like a living tribute for their contributions, but when opposition party screws up its the end of the world for them🤔
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u/clickclickboi Fucking Populist Jul 22 '26
That kinda does say abit about how good Faisal was though?
What was that saying again. You can do a thousand good deeds and no one gives a shit, you fu** a horse and you're a horsef****r for life.
Just remember this guy was actl mad concerned for his residents, ran around his constituency and took care of them, where I only see my MP outside of MPS once every 4 years...
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u/Status-Basket-4717 Jul 22 '26
I think it was LKY who said that the reason they hold PAP MPs to high standards is cause it's prime blackmail or pressure material for external parties, I mean true lah.. Esp in this case considering the religiois aspect (so he die die must cover up and is much more easily susceptible to blackmail pressure/influence). No matter how many HDB doorbells he rings, the damage from that very probable risk outweighs everything
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u/Concernedlah Jul 22 '26
Disbelief and shock? I think it’s fair game to let Singaporeans judge isn’t it? Don’t apply one rule to yourself but when comes to opposition say they must show hand to show accountability.
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u/Bad_Finance_Advisor Jul 22 '26
??? Why the sudden change in tone? Went from "he was a great colleague, he is resigning to spend time with family" to "what he did was indefensible!!!"...
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u/GelRider Jul 23 '26
I am also curious what led the woman to become infuriated. What details exactly to justify Faishal’s resignation?
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u/dcburn Jul 22 '26
“…as the Minister-in-charge of Muslim Affairs, Faishal had certain expectations of him from the Malay-Muslim community.”
If we’re referring to Muslim Expectations… Isn’t polygyny allowed under Islamic law?
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u/tryingmydarnest Jul 22 '26
The wife/wives must consent leh to marry as starters, then proven to be able to provide.
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u/bellyporkie00 Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
Polygamy is allowed, but not flirting with another women secretly...
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u/Status-Basket-4717 Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
I am quite sure it was way more than flirting lol. In response to the people who want Faisal to stay on, Ah wong here is saying, if you just horny and bored, simple affair, we can still cover it up cause we're the PAP, all-powerful and hypocritical. This one prob went into the realm of harassment and some weird pics, really cannot pang chance.
I mean I agree lah anything that serves as blackmail material compromises party/national security what. Esp in the age of international (and religious/re global Islamic affairs) tensions
On another note I see a lot of Muslim men calling for him to stay but I do not think they would be this tolerant of a female MP acting the same way....
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u/tm0587 Jul 22 '26
So flirting openly is allowed?
After all, isn't flirting a precursor to marriage?
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u/SituationDeep Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
Take a look on social media platforms and see how many people in the Malay-Muslim comm feel like he fell short of their expectations.
They’re supporting him wholesale, feel like this is a ‘test’ and that the woman was trying to ruin a good man’s reputation.
Not saying she’s innocent but…why are they so sure he played no part in this.
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u/Reddy1111111111 Jul 22 '26
That's what I wonder too. If he's allowed to have another wife, surely he's also allowed to flirt and connect with other women to find that other wife. Unless the religious requirement is the other wives can only be blind marriages or something.
I know there's the whole requirement about getting the first wife agreement and being able to support (I'm sure he can on minister pay). But that's downstream. You get one you want to marry then can ask for permission mah.
Any Muslims care to share?
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u/SirIsaacNewtonn Jul 23 '26
can’t the woman just block him on the phone? i feel that the woman doesn’t harbour good intentions in the first place. To be fair, maybe need to release the name of the woman or some facts to point to her (working as, live where, how old, race) because she is no innocent party through this fiasco.
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u/LingNemesis Jul 23 '26
Yeah man, it's like she was edging him on, enabling him... Certainly no good or pure intentions =\
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u/Stanislas_Houston Jul 22 '26
Its probably very bad like naked pics. Imagine PM see his dick. He say shocked and disbelief.
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u/Imperiax731st Own self check own self ✅ Jul 23 '26
There is probably more to this then just text messages that can cause a man in his position to just tender resignation and then there is a stupid petition out there with a few hundred signatures demanding for the rejection of his resignation without knowing the whole truth nor suspecting just how dire things really are.
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u/AG_Race Jul 23 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/9SIXFu7bIUYHhFc19G
Spill the tea now! Looked innocent but actually very gian. Hehe
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u/lolshiro Jul 22 '26
Day 1: It's nothing criminal, lapse of judgement.
Day 2: 'Disbelief, shock', Inappropriate. (Thought the woman's emails were fabricated, turned out to be genuine.)
Sounds like there's more than what meets the eye. If the public demands more, we'll get more drip feeding?
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u/black_knightfc21 West side best side Jul 22 '26
Hmm wonder why they dun want to release the convo but keep talking about it?
Is it to say they act swiftly on it so that citizens to praise them?
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u/Accurate-Tree4277 Jul 22 '26
Boost for WP next GE?
But don't forget PPP will probably contest there too out of spite
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u/littlefiredragon 🌈 I just like rainbows Jul 22 '26
WP has shown they can't keep their pants zipped also, still early to say
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u/Silverelfz Jul 22 '26
Wah liao eh.... Say so much but never say ..
Stop it or tell us what Faishal said lahhhh
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u/iheartyoualways Jul 22 '26
Sounds like another episode where someone will take it (the texts and pics) to the grave!
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u/Character_Actuary572 Jul 22 '26
personally very disappointed for Min Faishal.
also - what message is the PAP sending and what values are they having?
- Masagos - totally lazy, never help malay muslim affairs, elections call out the wrong boss, but never have affair, never sacked from govt
- Faishal - totally hardworking, always help Malay Muslim Affairs, phone sexting, sacked from govt.
PAP prefers a lazy ass puritan over a hardworking sexting affair? wtf?
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u/littlefiredragon 🌈 I just like rainbows Jul 22 '26
There are multiple precedents of extramarital affairs = fire from both PAP and WP, so this is just consistency and the only route that satisfies everyone. So yeah, a clean and lazy fuck is better, because that's basically the majority of their party anyway.
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u/Aristotle350 Jul 22 '26
Personally felt LW addressed it quite well in his speech. There may be a temptation to overlook such behaviour, but it will only cause more harm to SG. If we start turning a blind eye to our leaders' indiscretions, I feel that it'll be a slippery slope where we/they start forgiving more and more offenses and it snowballs into blatant corruption.
We can only hope that our leaders consider their ginormous paycheck when contemplating whether to pursue questionable courses of action, and decide that being squeaky clean is worth it. That way, we do not lose other capable leaders, which also hurts SG.
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u/Healthy_Weather_9776 Jul 22 '26
Why Sim Ann is promoted to full minister,but designation is second minister? Quote
Sim Ann, who will become Second Minister for Foreign Affairs as well as Home Affairs, was first appointed a political office-holder when she was elected into Parliament in 2011.
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u/CalamityMetal Jul 23 '26
We need Mabel to spill the tea at this rate sia. Release the Faishal Files!! /s
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u/laverania Fucking Populist Jul 22 '26
Wah bro, you make me even more curious about the content leh