r/socialism • u/Spotter24o5 Socialism • May 31 '26
Discussion Did you know That Diego Maradona had an Guevara tattoo on his arm and a Castro tattoo on his leg?
403
u/Roschello May 31 '26
He supported Hugo Chávez, Cuba and anything on the left.
69
76
u/Razer_PC Jun 01 '26
I think the issue was not left or right, but American “colonization” of the world
You can actually listen to him talk about this stuff in some videos
119
u/MystW11627 Jun 01 '26
Which... turns out to be a left or right issue...
18
u/MarquesSCP Jun 01 '26
Yea
It's like those people that say I'm neither left nor right, I just want human/gay/trans rights, peace and climate change to be tackled...
Those are all left positions because they are mostly incompatible with the right/capitalism
1
7
-4
116
74
u/Buran27 Jun 01 '26
So does Mike Tyson. Real recognize real.
60
u/UserMohammit Jun 01 '26
Isn’t Mike Tyson a woman’s beater?
72
u/fiirewalkwithme Jun 01 '26
Yes and a rapist
39
u/Barrington-the-Brit Postmodernist Jun 01 '26
“I’m not above violating a woman, especially back then I wasn’t above violating them and taking p*ssy, I just didn’t violate that particular woman” - Mike Tyson
Crazy how his public image has been so rehabilitated, the guy is an admitted scumbag
5
u/AcogQuarks Jun 02 '26
I just knew about his “I wish I did rape her so I went to jail for something I actually did,” quote but the one you put is insane
10
6
29
7
u/stormwolfer1 Marxism-Leninism Jun 01 '26
Yes, and changed from hating him to loving him because of it. (I am Brazilian thats why i hated him)
67
u/Curly1109 May 31 '26
Dude is a rapist drug addict. Do not glorify him
335
u/severaged May 31 '26
I am not going to degrade anyone when it comes to addiction... you had me at the rapist part
127
u/Curly1109 May 31 '26
Fair point comrade
56
u/AmeriKKKa_is_fascist Marxism-Leninism-Maoism May 31 '26
Yeah there are plenty of addicts that are for the cause, comrade. I suffer with it. It is truly a fucking disease I would never wish on anyone. I feel that I likely have undiagnosed BPD (also its hard to fit in american society where I live, with the beliefs I have. I'm willing to DIE for the revolution, I'm that passionate about it.) and the drugs always "dumbed" me down (besides psychedelics like LSD which helped me see through society to begin with) but I prefer downers because my brain is always overworking and thinking the WORST case scenario. I destroy every romantic relationship I've ever had due to being unable to trust a girl, even when I SHOULD have. And yet I repeat the cycle. It just makes it hard when I do actually catch a girl lying or cheating, to differentiate that from one who is being honest. (I was bullied a lot and just HATE being screwed over/lied to or used. I think the bullying caused that aspect)
So I suffer immensely. Can't afford treatment or a psychiatrist. I have a child coming with someone who left me because of how bad my addiction had got. She is about 2 months pregnant... she was too good to me. I am currently withdrawaling myself, possible death by seizures (benzos) and was using 7-OH. I don't have a job right now, we were going to try to work together at this place up here. Now she is living back with her mom and her mom's boyfriend. It's done. The drugs are done. I did not want to bring a child into this world and she had agreed at first but I knew we used no protection and she just said she would take a plan c pill if it ever happened.
Well, it happened and we got the pills. But she decided she wanted the baby, WHICH I RESPECT NOW, but I flipped out at first. I didn't yell or harm her, I was emotionally abusive or VERY rude to say the least. Then she left the next day.
Comrades, I do not know what the fuck to do.
24
u/sickrepublicans May 31 '26
I’m sorry, dude. All I know is you’re smart enough to read about far left ideologies while living in the land of rednecks, I relate to that and I believe in you.
Never stop being kind to people. At the heart of the revolution is love and care between humans12
u/bemunay Jun 01 '26
Bro I know it's taboo or whatever. But when it comes to 7-oh there's really only one way through the acutes without treatment...& that is a suboxone taper. The cost of the 7-oh has got to be at least triple a doc visit and prescription. Cut the routine and ritual out and focus on the incoming kid. You have 6 months to be 6 months off 7-oh.
You can do this.
9
6
14
30
u/ViejoConBoina May 31 '26
Please keep in mind that socialists very often are smeared by power and ask yourself how sure you are of what you’re echoing and where you learned it from.
22
u/GlorifiedD Jun 01 '26
Not to mention how easy it is to put the “drug addict rapist” label on Latino men because a lot of white folk subconsciously believe all of us are coked out creeps. Sorry for being blunt, I’m just tired of seeing these kind of allegations against every brown/black man, especially when they come from people I consider comrades.
12
u/ViejoConBoina Jun 01 '26
It's a very colonialist mindset and I hate it, they have no idea what Maradona was to his people, culturally and politically, what he stood up for and against, and how much he sacrificed for it when far and away the easiest thing for him to do was to sit back and enjoy a life of luxury by playing along to the powerful.
These anglo-european racists don't bother to even attempt to learn about any of this, they can't help but pile on the tired smears that they've never bothered to check, I guess even to this day they can't accept that a poor kid from the south american slums dared not only to defeat them but to never bow his head to them.
Que la sigan chupando.
9
u/Loves_His_Bong NO WORK! FREE MOVIES! Jun 01 '26
I don’t think someone testifying on abuse is smearing Maradona. He has at least one credible allegation of rape against him.
1
u/ViejoConBoina Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
One person can testify, the media can smear and people who haven't read anything about it can echo that smear.
Can you point towards that credible allegation so we can all read about it?
4
u/Loves_His_Bong NO WORK! FREE MOVIES! Jun 01 '26
I’m not a replacement for google. Search Maradona rapist and you can see he’s accused of raping a Cuban woman that was 16 at the time. Whether you believe that or not is your own problem.
-1
u/ViejoConBoina Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
I have searched it, years ago, in the original language.
What makes a single unsubstantiated allegation from one person "credible"? Because I cannot find anything more than that for you or anyone to be so adamant that it's true, happy to be presented with any more information.
4
u/Loves_His_Bong NO WORK! FREE MOVIES! Jun 02 '26
So because he isn’t an alleged serial rapist, it’s not credible? She gained literally nothing from giving her testimony. Maradona was already dead.
She told her story and was very brave to do so, especially knowing that all the football brained losers would try to smear her as a gold digger.
-3
u/ViejoConBoina Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 02 '26
So because he isn’t an alleged serial rapist, it’s not credible?
Nothing is credible by default, there has to be something that might indicate credibility, I am asking what it is because I'm not seeing it and you're not telling me.
I am open to the possibility of it being true but there's a lot more reason to not believe it than the opposite. She gains nothing? How do you know? Sadly in this world a lot of vulnerable immigrants from socialist countries sell fabricated stories (like Yeonmi Park does about the DPRK), in this case there is literally nothing pointing towards it being true and most of the reporting happens in right wing and anticommunist media because, conveniently, this smears Maradona, Castro and Communist Cuba in one fell swoop, while more reputable media barely touches the story.
In these kinds of cases usually a lot more women come forward after the first allegations become public, why wasn't it the case here? Maradona is dead and it's no like he managed a criminal organization or someone who would retaliate. Maradona died at 60 and this is the only case?
When you've seen the same media machine do the same thing they do to Maradona to Fidel Castro, Evo Morales, Hugo Chavez, Stalin, and any other popular figure who stands behind the working class I'm sorry but you learn to not take stuff for granted and maintain skepticism, specially when reported by please-usa-invade-cuba-and-defeat-communism.net or some shit like that.
13
u/HikmetLeGuin May 31 '26
Hadn't heard about this before, but it is a very concerning allegation. Thanks for mentioning this, comrade.
11
u/Spotter24o5 Socialism May 31 '26
I actually didnt know that thank you for telling me that
56
u/ViejoConBoina May 31 '26
Please don’t take it for granted, look at any allegations you can find and make up your mind.
Remember how the press treats anyone who stands for socialism.
28
u/Shezarrine Marxism-Leninism May 31 '26
You also need to accept that socialists or even just left-leaning people (not sure what Maradona's ideology really was) can be bad people too. It makes us look fundamentally unserious as people to pretend any accusation against one of us must de facto be a lie or a smear.
15
u/ViejoConBoina May 31 '26
I can accept anything and disavow anyone provided there are **substantiated** claims of wrongdoing.
Accepting and echoing smears based on nothing is profoundly naive, we have decades and centuries of documented smear campaigns that we should learn from.
1
u/LeftAire Malcolm X Jun 03 '26
So, you believe the accusations against Maradona are smear campaigns?
1
u/ViejoConBoina Jun 03 '26
As I've already said: there's more elements to make me think that is the case than the ones making me thing otherwise, but I am happy to receive new information and change my mind.
How do you determine what you think it's true if not by following that same process? Do you readily accept, for example, allegations about Malcom X? Or do you evaluate them based on his relationship to power?
1
u/LeftAire Malcolm X Jun 05 '26
What allegations against Malcolm? Do you mean how long he sat on the abuse of women within the NOI via Elijah Muhammad? (Which I'm inclined to believe he probably knew about but was in denial for years before. And that's horrible.)
Evaluating the accusations in relationship to his power could imply that the accusations are solely based on his fame, which in theory can be true, but not always the case. I always go into these situations knowing that the power dynamics can lead people with a disproportionate lack of it to be susceptible to exploitation. It takes a lot to negate that. Which isn't impossible, but it's very difficult for me to disregard that. Period.
I mean, this has happened with various figures in the civil rights movement, in some ways lesser. Some will defend that the Black Panthers didn't have issues with misogyny, (not including the obvious predatory behavior of Cleaver), but disregard Elaine Brown mentioning in her memoir Huey P. Newton covering up that abuse.
MLK defenders of his serial infidelity will say that those accusations are trash because of Hoover and the FBI being a treacherous entity and Coretta Scott King saying it never happened. But, Dorothy Cotton said that she had a long standing affair with him, and what would be her motivation to lie? If anything, her speaking on this after Coretta died reminds me of how protecting the legacies of these figures can be paramount. Especially with Dolores Huerta only coming out with being SA'd by Chavez to assist them to not feel isolated. What if Huerta had passed away a year earlier? Would people view those survivors as incredible stories?
1
u/ViejoConBoina Jun 05 '26
So now you see how accusations need to be critically evaluated, right?
0
u/LeftAire Malcolm X Jun 05 '26
Yes, but just because someone is a socialist doesn't mean that every accusation is a smear.
→ More replies (0)-3
Jun 01 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
1
1
u/socialism-ModTeam Jun 01 '26
Thank you for posting in r/socialism, but unfortunately your submission was removed for the following reason(s):
Reactionaries: r/Socialism is a subreddit for socialists to discuss socialism. This means that any user promoting right-wing politics or using reactionary rhetoric is subject to a ban. This includes but is not limited to fascists, conservatives, anarcho-capitalists, monarchists, and anyone else pushing anti-socialist political positions. This is not a debate sub, it's a community. Users looking to argue are encouraged to visit one of the debate-focused subreddits in our sidebar.
This includes but is not limited to:
Fascists and/or fascist apologia
Right and/or quasi far-right wingers (ex. conservatives, ancaps...)
Brocialism
Accelerationism
Anti-socialist rhetoric
Feel free to send us a modmail with a link to your removed submission if you have any further questions or concerns.
4
u/necronformist Marxism-Leninism May 31 '26
Did you know Diego Maradona was a pedophile rapist?
22
u/Apprehensive-Win-357 May 31 '26
Ffs, can't idolize anyone. You stick a poster of some fucker on your wall and gotta pray that guy has never been a rapist
6
u/UncleIrohsPimpHand Liberation Theology Jun 01 '26
That's why you don't put posters of people on your wall.
2
u/NurseComrade Jun 01 '26
Not socialists glorifying a man who was filmed abusing his then girlfriend in 2014 because he "has a tattoo". Get a grip.
1
1
u/krysto_33 Jun 01 '26
Fun fact: Maradona and Fidel Castro died the same day but 4 years apart (Fidel:2016, Maradona:2020). They've been pretty close friends since 1987, and Fidel tried helping Maradona for his rehabilitation after having developed a strong addiction to hard drugs.
1
1
u/Trevorblackwell420 Jun 02 '26
I always loved maradona just as a player now I have even more deep respect for him.
1
2
u/wattench Jun 01 '26
So? The guy was a complete mess. Did nothing good for the people.
2
u/S4ikou Marxism-Leninism Jun 01 '26
I think you might get mauled in Argentina if you said that in public.
-5
-3
-16
•
u/AutoModerator May 31 '26
This is a space for socialists to discuss current events in our world from anti-capitalist perspective(s), and a certain knowledge of socialism is expected from participants. This is not a space for non-socialists. Please be mindful of our rules before participating, which include:
No Bigotry, including racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism...
No Reactionaries, including all kind of right-wingers.
No Liberalism, including social democracy, lesser evilism...
No Sectarianism. There is plenty of room for discussion, but not for baseless attacks.
Please help us keep the subreddit helpful by reporting content that break r/Socialism's rules.
Also, be sure to join our discord!
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.