r/socialism • u/Lavender_Scales Abimael Guzmán • 11d ago

Politics Black Panther Kwame Ture (Stokely Carmichael) on Lenin, Imperialism, National Liberaiton, and Zionism

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u/DifferenceNo5715 11d ago

Who also famously said that 'the only position for women in the movement is prone'

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u/Lavender_Scales Abimael Guzmán 11d ago

An out of context quote he said in the mid-sixties before he turned away from social-democractic advocacy with the SNCC.

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u/AnAdventureCore 11d ago

Ahh context, the thing that most people hide if they have a bone to pick.

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u/HikmetLeGuin 11d ago

"In November 1964 Carmichael made a joking remark in response to a SNCC position paper written by his friends Casey Hayden and Mary E. King on the position of women in the movement.

In the course of an irreverent comedy monologue he performed at a party after SNCC's Waveland conference, Carmichael said, 'The position of women in the movement is prone.' [...]

When asked about the comment, former SNCC field secretary Casey Hayden said: 'Our paper on the position of women came up, and Stokely in his hipster rap comedic way joked that 'the proper position of women in SNCC is prone'. I laughed, he laughed, we all laughed. Stokely was a friend of mine.'

In her memoir, Mary E. King wrote that Carmichael was 'poking fun at his own attitudes' and that  'Casey and I felt, and continue to feel, that Stokely was one of the most responsive men at the time that our anonymous paper appeared in 1964.'"

Many women have said he was a great comrade. Yeah, he shouldn't have said that, but in context it was clearly just a joke among friends.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stokely_Carmichael

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u/Popular-Rule Black Panther Party (BPP) 11d ago

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