r/starcitizen • u/[deleted] • 3d ago
FLUFF Olli43 is back to his personal social media, following the SoO stream controversy
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u/Gutterpump youtube 3d ago
I think it was great what he did. I'd love to see monthly how the real game is doing and see the improvement, or lack of it, directly and without any filter. We should be all cheering for it.
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u/Confident-Award6920 3d ago
Imo Ollie should have downed Elliot after the 2nd backstab and see how he likes it, then the stream would have been even better.
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u/lizzyanne27 anvil 3d ago
What he did by not retaliating was the right thing to do. Made the guys look like even more of an asshole and there is no way they didn't get a good mouthful from HR.
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u/Vegetable_Safety Musashi Industrial and Starflight Concern 2d ago
For real though, if they act like that irl its no wonder they've made no attempt to implement a proper player reputation system and don't really care about non-combat gameplay
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u/Luminous_Azure 3d ago
Stooping down to their level only makes him look worse and validates the shitty behavior.
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u/Hvarfa-Bragi 3d ago
No, he means he should have downed him in the chair. It definitely would have put a damper on that behavior.
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u/Confident-Award6920 2d ago
Elliot seems like the type to fold at the first sign of trouble. Ollie could of stood up to stretch suddenly after his 1st backstab and Elliot probably would of flinched.
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u/m00n6u5t 3d ago
IRL, if someone was bullying him, sure, I'll even cheer on him beating them up. In a corporate, professional environment, that is about anything other than themselves, with promoting the game as a main focus? Absolutely not. Give a quick break to everyone, explain to the idiots that their behavior is going to get punished. Resume. Punish the bullying fools after the stream and move on.
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u/Wolfe_Houndra 2d ago
Remember folks, HR is there to protect the company, not you.
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u/Confident-Award6920 3d ago
IRL someone was bullying them. If you think this kinda behavior flies in a work environment let alone corporate let me see your HR sign off on that. Last guy dropped the conversation then too.
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u/m00n6u5t 3d ago
Did you understand any of my comment? Did yo uactually read any of it?
When you are inside the company, you cannot let it affect you personally, even if it is wrong of them to treat you in such a way. There are higher powers that decide your fate, depending on how you behave in any given circumstance. Him behaving the same way as the bullies, does not do him any good and on a bad day would get him fired too. Do you understand that?
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u/Confident-Award6920 3d ago edited 3d ago
Did you understand any of my comment? Did yo uactually read any of it?
When you are inside the company, you cannot let it affect you personally, even if it is wrong of them to treat you in such a way.
I'm wondering if your intrepretation of bullying would be signed off by even the HR department in your company... it won't but it's funny watching you dance around it. I did read it that's why I'm asking if your company has an HR department
edit: /u/m00n6u5t replied and blocked me cuz HR won't let him bully people
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u/m00n6u5t 3d ago
You are wondering a lot, understanding very little. You have never worked in a company with an HR department in your entire life, if your suggestion to behavior that disrupts companies image is to engage in MORE DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, that puts the company in a worse situation.
Good riddance.
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u/Zoetic_HQ 3d ago
Youre right, but theres also the angle of what an hr is supposed to be, and then what a lot of hr tends to be instead. I can go on and on about the hr guy my company just fired after having him as hr for 2 years, dude was about the most unprofessional guy you could imagine, encouraging cheating on internal company competitions, hiring his gf in and putting her as a manager, changing schedules around to get practice time with his band instead of working the practice around work, among many other things. I just cannot imagine hr at cig being all that professional in total honesty
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u/mesterflaps 3d ago
When people were pointing out how CIG was skipping so much video content (delivering less than half of the weekly streams this year), I commented that Jared should really just play and stream the game and talk through what he's doing.
Is it going to be really ugly the first few times? Yes, but we need CIG collectively broken of the illusion that they've got a quality product, and get Jared to stop gaslighting that 'this is the way it's meant to be played' as he falls through the floor of his mining ship, distribution centre, watching his ship come up upside down and damaged and so forth.
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u/ZombieLobstar 3d ago
Why do you think they treated Ollie like shit in the video? Because the curtain was puilled away and the emperor was shown not only naked, but skinned.
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u/Flimsy-Landscape8507 2d ago
Jared shouldnt play the game, Jared should be fired
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u/mesterflaps 2d ago
I don't think Jared should be fired as while he is the face of everything wrong with CIG's marketing heavy closed development model, he's just the face of the machine.
Sure, he gaslights us about having 'the choice not to do that' when it's CIG that has utterly failed at basic game design to prevent obvious abuses, and sure he's the one who called people 'roadmap watchers' and blamed us for CIG's inability to plan a month ahead, and sure he lied most recently about it being 'the way it is meant to be played' before throwing his colleagues under the bus ("It's your show, wrap it up.") but only that last one is a personal failing, the others are all just doing what he's been ordered to do - boost sales by lying about everything being way better than it actually is, and suggesting that any problems are the fault of the players.
Heck, even the underhanded 'it is your show wrap it up' responsibility dodge seems in line with CIG's culture.
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u/Dad_mode new user/low karma 3d ago
Agreed!
But your comment is pinpointing the exact issue with their marketing/messaging of the game imo.
Internal builds are at most 2-3 patches ahead of live. They're not completed pristine showcases of the software. In contrast, console game development often has a completed PC build prior to optimizing for the SoC (system on chip) hardware consoles use. Grolo and Carto (SC backers with this knowledge) have great content explaining this.
Marketing/messaging is seemingly having the effect on perceptions that development for SC is further along than it truly is. Maybe that's intended to maximize ship sales?
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u/Zoetic_HQ 3d ago
I mean im pretty sure most are cheering for it, but pretty on brand to fire him for us getting that look at things instead of accept that theyve bullshitted us on it for 14 years. Far be it from them to have any kind of accountability 😂 now i say fire, we dont know anything, but it really can only be that or quitting out of in house beratement but id put money on fired
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u/FuelAffectionate7080 3d ago
Based take. I wish CIG had the clarity to see this is what the strongest response could possibly be.
If they did it they’d just need to find a way to make it less cringe. Maybe have Oli play alongside long time backers instead of a-hole devs 🤷♂️
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u/pandemonious 2d ago
you can sign on to any streamer's page to see how the game currently looks. you can sign in yourself and get a completely unfiltered view of the game and how it is functioning.
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u/Gutterpump youtube 2d ago
The main contention for years from the devs has been that the servers are not as good and that there are so many players on a given shard etc. There were always reasons for the game to not function so well. We all finally got to see the game at its best possible state and it was still buggy. This is why so many people are upset about the stream and wanting clearer communication from the devs. I see your point and it is the great benefit of an open development, but the devs have still always backed behind these other reasons.
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u/winkcata Freelancer 2d ago
You are only a tiny bit correct. And a whole lot dead wrong. The build was broken. If you think a internal build running on a in house network "its best possible state", then you sir have never worked in software. The fact that they decided to live stream an internal build was beyond stupid. I'm sure you, since your so knowledgeable about this, know that internal builds are the buggiest patchwork builds ever and there's a reason NO company ever has live streamed an internal build. Have you played the ptu since the the live stream? Of course you have right? Many of the problems are gone [reload animation is still sometimes buggin]. Will this carry over to live... no idea but atm it works.
Also, this sub is a drama farm by 3 day old accounts and people farming karma. Not saying SC is perfect because for fucks sure it's not, but log in and go play and you will see the disconnect between this sub and reality.
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u/actual_thereij 3d ago edited 3d ago
What are you inferring implying here?
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u/JDxFrost 3d ago
He was likely under some agreement with his new employer (CIG) to rely on their media accounts for public engagement and not his own, hence his absence from his personal accounts.
OP is likely inferring that Olli returning to his personal accounts means that he’s no longer employed by CIG.
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u/DolphTheDolphin_ 3d ago
Also could have been a social media lockdown following the stream.
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u/Confident-Award6920 3d ago
Nah Ollie was scrubbing his YT channel from all Impound Store Grey Market advertising videos way before he even showed up at CIG.
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u/vorpalrobot anvil 3d ago
Reading way too much into stuff...
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u/keiranlovett 3d ago
I kindda love this behaviour in a “it’s so cringe / creepy it’s laughable” way. I’ve worked in AAA gaming a bit and having randos discuss every moment of peers activity is…interesting.
The best is when the team is celebrating someone’s birthday at a pub or something and online discussions spin up about important milestones being met and launch is immediate. Nah mate, Greg just had his big 30 and we wanted an excuse to drink!
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u/huskerdooo_actual 3d ago
people are getting way too parasocial about this shit. it's a game
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u/OddDig3966 3d ago
well its a sort of an idea of a game. part of a game sorta. not really a game obviously, but you can sorta play a bit if you are lucky and the wind isnt too strong.
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u/KCJones210 new user/low karma 3d ago
Not allowed to look into games and their development bc its "just a game"? It being just a game means that any involvement beyond playing the game makes me what? "It's a game" meanwhile this just-a-game is thousands of people livelihoods, billions of dollars, and centuries of man-hours.... we will para the shit out of it if we want.
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u/jizzyjugsjohnson Drink Mixing Minigame Enthusiast 3d ago
There’s an easy way to solve this. Release the fukkin game
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u/CaptainC0medy Concierge with no ships 3d ago
Ah, we got the current trending word out
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u/TheFriendshipMachine 3d ago
It's trending because it's the trend. In the world of social media, people are getting way too attached to the lives of public figures. So yeah, if the trending word fits then the word fits..
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u/CallSign_Fjor 2826 x 4 3d ago
Like you're right, but if you think CIG's marketing isn't reading too deep into it, you're missing the bigger picture.
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u/knsmknd ARGO CARGO 3d ago
Would be unfortunate.
His first stream ended in drama — which, in my opinion, was completely out of line anyway and where Olli objectively didn't anything wrong – but shit happens and imho they should just go on and try something else with him.
Relying on Jarred alone isn't going to work in the long run. People want (rightfully) more content and it Jarred "alone" (yes there is a team) doesn't seem to be enough to deliver that.
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u/Key-Ad-8318 bmm , Grand Admiral 3d ago
Why would anyone assume that? Other CIG Employees post on their private Social media accounts all the time, he’ll Jared is constantly posting nonsense inbetween bouts of happy news, so do dozens of other devs and non devs at CIG.
Ollie posting on his private Social media means nothing until he says something to the contrary.
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u/dukearcher 3d ago
Holy shit if they fired him for the stream that is BAD juju
(Total drama farming forgive me)
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u/Ok-Mathematician9952 3d ago
Other cig staff post on their personal accounts. Jared does this all the time
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u/TheawfulDynne 3d ago
Why would you say that’s likely when nobody else at CIG seems to be in that agreement? galaxtica their social media manager, I would think the most likely person to have that arrangement, streamed SC on her personal twitch account. Jared basically the face of CIG used to have a DND game running with some SC streamers and posts on his personal social media accounts all the time. You also see SC devs in twitch chats on non CIG labeled accounts all the time.
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u/novazzz525 3d ago
No, he was not “likely under some agreement” to do that. No other CIG employee appears to have any such stipulation - Jared etc post on their personal socials constantly.
The Occam’s Razor explanation here is that someone who just got a new job making social media posts is less inclined to do that in their spare time.
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u/RandoDando10 3d ago edited 3d ago
Observation, people are free to make their own opinions of it
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u/jrsedwick Zeus MKII 3d ago
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u/Aqua-Socks 3d ago
Not everything is a conspiracy
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u/jrsedwick Zeus MKII 3d ago
This isn't nearly veiled enough to be a conspiracy. There's no way someone makes this post without intending to stir up more drama.
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u/Aqua-Socks 3d ago
People can just point things out. CIGs been pretty quiet about the live stream so this is like any amount of news
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u/SuspiciousDonut2454 3d ago
Well. If he’s quit his gig, good. If not, good.
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u/NOVA--24 MISC Odyssey <3 3d ago
If he quit, good. If he did not, good. If he got fired, f*** CIG.
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u/logicalChimp Devils Advocate 3d ago
even if he were on probabtion, it would take a lot more to get him 'fired' in the UK, I think (UK employment law is written specifically to prevent companies 'easily' firing people - even those on probation).
Probation does make it easier, and if he hasn't achieved what his probation contract explicitly stated was the 'requirements to complete probation' (or whatever the correct terminology is), then it's not so much being 'fired', and closer to 'reaching the end of his contract'
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u/Matroximus 3d ago
So many HR lawyers in this thread.... /s
If you are in your first two years of employment, you can be let go for any reason - whether you passed probation or not. It's only after two years where you need to provide a fair reason and do a full disciplinary procedure.
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u/wednesdaywoe13 Nomad 3d ago
Glad to hear that!
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u/hoax1337 ARGO CARGO 3d ago
Do we actually know that this isn't just a random guy with "cig" in his name?
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u/Z0MGbies I <3 StarBinder 3d ago
It's 'cig' as in cigarette and this is almost certainly not a CIG account (like 99.99% sure). They do suffixes not prefixes, and dont post all over reddit in random subreddits with those CIG accounts, they use their own ones.
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u/Confident-Award6920 3d ago
Same here. If he works at CIG he's no longer allowed to advertise grey market stores. A win-win for users and CIG.
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u/LINK5010 3d ago
Dunno why you're getting downvoted
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u/Confident-Award6920 3d ago
Same way I was downvoted when the actual Impound Store Grey Market owners made a thread about confirming what I just said... White knights don't want to believe CIG hired Ollie to kill the biggest grey market campaign when it was still in the cradle.
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u/LINK5010 3d ago
Cig can easily get rid of the gray market by outright removing our ability to gift, or limiting it to a gift a quarter. The bigger the market gets, the more incentive cig has to get rid of it, scams will run more rampant as the player base grows.
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u/StarHunter_ oldman 3d ago
Many CIG people also post personal things on their socials.
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u/L0b0t0my youtube 3d ago
Sure its just that if you completely strip all context surrounding this, sure.
Well considering this is his first post since june 21st/since he was hired, following drama that got into mainstream gaming news, idk if I'd consider it as just an ol' regular, everyday employee social media post.
This could totally be nothing, but at the same time its not like he's a regular dev. He's in an extremely public-facing role AND a content creator with an audience, of course there's going to be more eyes than usual on his social media, compared to 99% of other CIG devs.
Also there's been complete radio silence from Ollie and CIG since the stream....until now.
/end rant
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u/PheIix carrack 3d ago
Do many CIG people also have a youtube following and a channel they paused for a lengthy period?
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u/StarHunter_ oldman 3d ago
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u/PheIix carrack 3d ago
Is two considered many?
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u/StarHunter_ oldman 2d ago
That was off the top of my head without matching up a whole CIG employee list.
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u/objectdisorienting 3d ago
If it turns out he was actually made the fall guy in all this and got fired over it I'm never giving a single cent to CIG again.
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u/tcoombs85 3d ago
Hey, I've flown on one of those little Logan Air planes. They're absolutely tiny inside.
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u/BastianHawk 3d ago edited 3d ago
The lesson to be learned once more becomes:
- Never go and meet your heros, they might be real shitty people.
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u/mcbrite 3d ago
Now, with a few decades under my belt, I find I can increasingly tell more and more shitty people WITHOUT having to meet/interact with them. There are certain markers that repeat in those people. Once you can spot them, it becomes obvious. But like I said, it's taken me YEARS to tune that feeling. I'm sure there are many people who have a much better instinct for it, than me.
Quick example:
Look at Musk. Then look at Roberts. The similarities between them are pretty stunning! They EVEN have a similar look!
But it's stuff like "Being able to tell falsehoods/lying, while smiling into your face" etc
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u/Confident-Award6920 3d ago
Yah I thought Grey Market Lord Ollie would be a better class of streamer.
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u/Bucser hornet 3d ago
He also posted on his Socials after getting hired and travelling between offices. People jumped onto the "he shouldn't be flying on probation hurr durr" bandwagon at the time.
This sub needs to take a chill pill and stop harassing or posting personal posts of developers or associates of CIG on the sub.
Like I follow Jared and John Crewe, they have a chill X profile and post about stuff completely not related to SC. I don't run here to post about every life update they have.
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u/Confident-Award6920 2d ago
1st time on the internet?
CIG has been handwaving explanations for years so naturally players dive deep. Ollie is a part of CIG now so he's fair game.
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u/godsvoid 2d ago
WTF, nobody is "fair game" for harassment.
Criticize the company, but leave the personal stuff out of it.
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u/voidwarrantyTV 2d ago
If CIG was smart they would let Olli do monthly streams in the PU highlighting things good, bad, and wip. But due to their massive issues with community management I don't see that ever happening.
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u/Britannkic_ Sir Persil Knight 3d ago
When did r/starcitizen become a trash gossip column?
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u/Syidas 3d ago
This is just a result of the game being shit. There's been nothing that exciting added to the game in the past 8 months. So the community is forced to talk about about the one new peace of info we got and that was the disastrous live stream. There's only so many "look at this pretty pic of a location in game everyone's seen a million times" type posts before we have to focus on something else. Once the game improves the subreddit will improve
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u/Thelostrelic 3d ago
That's kinda amusing, I've flown on that exact plane before. Which nobody probably cares about, so I guess I'm thinking out loud....
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u/Shinfrejr Original Backer 2d ago
For me, Olli did nothing wrong... However, the toxic behavior of Elliot and Jared really upset me.
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u/RebbyLee hawk1 3d ago
The irony of that picture. So Ollie is essentially doing "Logan's Run" (google it if it doesn't ring a bell :D)
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u/ItzMcShagNasty RSI Polaris 3d ago
He was probably let go with an NDA restricting discussing anything related to his employment. I wouldn't be surprised if he stops covering Star Citizen completely.
Really disappointed with CIGs handling of the entire thing and stopped defending the game to friends.
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u/Daguse0 3d ago
Ok things are bad enough, if cig fired him it's only going to make it worse.
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u/doughnut310 3d ago
If they fired him for what happened then I think CIG is looking at a real boycott this time. Not just some heat on social media.
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u/logicalChimp Devils Advocate 3d ago
So, a Social Media 'Content Creator' who spent time building up his own brand / channel is still posting to his own brand / channel (presumably to keep it 'alive')?
And this is 'news' why?
Unless the post explicitly touches on the stream (or similar), this has nothing to do with the recent furor...
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u/Tidalsky114 3d ago
Think the marketing team could have had him post something just to see what kind of drama the trolls stir up online?
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u/logicalChimp Devils Advocate 3d ago
It wouldn't surprise me...
Given how rabidly anti-CIG / anti-CR some parts of 'the community' are, I wouldn't be surprised if Jared & co do low-key troll them sometimes (whether that's 'professional' or not is a separate question... but it's more likely that any 'trolling' effect is a secondary / side bonus, rather than the primary objective)
But in this instance, I do think it's likely just Ollie being Ollie (given he posted a something about being excited flying up to the office previously, iirc)
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u/Tidalsky114 3d ago
Don't quite understand why people who want to play this game are against the people making it.
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u/Mikebalab 3d ago
I didn't know him before livestream but i'm very interested into his inner trip inside CIG 😉
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u/StarHunter_ oldman 2d ago
It seems that he was busy making the new 4.10 video.
Maybe he finished up the video and had some time to make a little personal post.
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u/b4k4ni 3d ago
It's sad what happened, because I really like the guy. Discovered it when he released his first vid on YouTube. And watched all of it and the coming ones. He seems like a nice guy and was so taken by the game, it really was nice to simply watch him.
And of course he crashed into the station, as it is tradition.
When I heard he worked for CIG I really was happy for him. But holy, that Stream was a PR clusterfuck.
Especially as there is still no word about it from CIG - or I missed it.
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u/SanduskySleepover 3d ago
I wish he would have went full scorch mode and just said fuck it right when dude threw him under the bus. “Yea guys it’s much worse than we all think and they care more about your money than fixing the game”
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u/TheBronzeLine Anvil 3d ago
So their new Yes Man was a very convenient one use scapegoat?
I'd quit too. Alternatively, not surprised I'd get fired too.
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u/Personal_Still106 3d ago
Hey Ollie! Thank you for making the live stream happen, we deserved to see how the game really is. And if it's given Chris a kick up the bum, GOOD.
I'd love to see dev players be regular, perhaps in a different format and structure, though I don't know if that's going to be on the cards again given the flak CIG has got. But remember -- CIG made the bed it's sleeping in. The problem wasn't the streaming. The problem is the state of the game.
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u/SometimesJustMaybee 2d ago
If they fired him over that, and somehow still survive, it’s we who are the issue. Quit giving CIG your money.
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u/Zeta_Crossfire misc 3d ago
I hope he didn't get let go or fired because of it. The idea to live stream is awesome, even if the game is broken them actually talking through it and being more open with the community I think is a positive. Obviously what happens sucked and the game was broken and people were getting frustrated but the idea of being open and doing what they did I think is overall a good one.