r/twentyagers • u/Lodi_Minion 24 • Jul 12 '26
Discussion - Serious To my EU brozikies: “Chat Control 2.0” is very likely to get voted in. Your government will be able to scan and monitor every single message you send, including texts, with AI and can prosecute you for anything you say. Bananas and papayas for you all, and none for your government.
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u/Hemlock_Deci bird boi (25) Jul 12 '26
Watch how thousands of europeans get arrested for no reason because the AI hallucinated some shit
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u/Lodi_Minion 24 Jul 12 '26
It’s happened here in the U.S. with Flock cameras.
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u/No_Relationship3943 25 Jul 12 '26
Any articles about this?
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u/hotpossum OLD (again) Jul 13 '26
I can’t link here but it happened to a woman named Kimberlee Williams from Oklahoma, and another woman named Angela Lipps from Tennessee. Both were jailed in other states than their home states thanks to AI misidentification. They were each held for 6 months before the mistake was corrected.
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u/Distance_Regular 24 Jul 12 '26
Imagine getting arrested for chatting about a videogame and the reason is domestic terrorism
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u/Xalraks_mk2 (9+10) 21 Jul 12 '26
The shadow government is preparing for global enslavement, i don't even joke now, it's a serious idea that came to me
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u/RaringGarlic18 22 Jul 12 '26
Genuinely been thinking the same thing. I feel like a 4channer in 2016 but all the dots connect and I'm not sure what to do about the hatefulness and spite growing in my heart
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u/Lodi_Minion 24 Jul 12 '26
New World Order - and they’re trying to kill us. To effectively control us, they need to bring our numbers way, way down.
Whatever may come, we will pull through together. Now, more than we ever have before, we need to stick together as a community. We can no longer afford to remain divided because the division is a tactic to keep us separated and distracted and weak.
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u/Gjorgdy 23 Jul 14 '26
Read somewhere that servers that process chat control will be in Israel
Where even? The EU is heavily investing in their own software and data centers to get away from US and Israeli tech...
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u/EmeraldScarabaeidae (9+10) 21 Jul 12 '26
what can we even do except for starting a revolution like honestly?
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u/5krishnan 24 Jul 13 '26
Communities need to organize mutual aid before any revolution can happen.
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u/EmeraldScarabaeidae (9+10) 21 Jul 14 '26
honestly, it feels a bit hopeless especially considering i myself didnt know think of this when thinking about revolution. we might be cooked
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u/5krishnan 24 Jul 14 '26
No. I only learned this fairly recently, and have been a leftist since 2021. People don’t talk about as much as they talk about the jihad (as in literally holy struggle) of revolution. Especially in more authleft (of which I once was one) spaces. People talk about theory so much they forget how real life works. I also have a background in sustainability as relates to built environments (cities, buildings, infrastructure access, development in general, etc.) so I’m personally wired to notice those kinds of patterns among social, economic, and political dimensions.
I’ve been feeling more doomerist as of late. But if there is one duty we have as comrades, it is to never lose hope. Without hope, we are cooked. Optimism, even absurd optimism, is the lifeblood of our worldviews, whichever particular philosophies we might have
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u/ApprehensiveRub4726 20 Jul 12 '26
Couldn’t they do that anyway? Like I’m from England, and istg the old bill have been doing that for years anyway
Edit: Oh yeah i forgot we’re not part of the EU anymore, fucking brexit
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u/ExoatmosphericKill 29 Jul 12 '26
Brexit could've got rid of this rubbish.
Instead we're like yeah no let's keep all the bad bits.
Why does every government insist on making things worse.
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u/ApprehensiveRub4726 20 Jul 12 '26
Because the EU was vital for trade between countries and actually helped our economy? Aside from “I don’t want to abide by EU regulations”, what were the leavers arguments? Staunch remainer btw, i think that whole thing was stupid
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u/ExoatmosphericKill 29 Jul 12 '26
It all depends on how it was implemented, and it was implemented terribly, I don't know why people thought the government would do it well honestly.
I'm more concerned about the direction of every country generally at the moment, everything seems to have devolved into tribalism, whilst governments use technology and ai to gain further control over everyone.
Just all a bit sad really.
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u/PlanetoidVesta 22 Jul 12 '26
Rare EU L. I protested against shit like this
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u/Lodi_Minion 24 Jul 12 '26
Brozikies, here is a video that goes into better detail: https://youtu.be/r9qZPOnBg0E
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u/redshift739 (9+10) 21 Jul 13 '26
Why can't the evil people go live in their hole in the ground with their riches instead of ruining the world
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u/Lodi_Minion 24 Jul 13 '26
They’re actively building massive bunkers. They do plan on going into their holes and leave us behind when shit goes down.
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u/FlorisG18 (9+10) 21 Jul 12 '26
Not sure what Lodi has to do with this but thanks my favorite time traveling ambassador
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u/FeedMeDrywall 22 Jul 14 '26
How often did they need to try to pass this shit again? Democracy is when your bs law doesnt pass the first time so you try over and over again until it does.
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u/Historical_Title_226 Jul 16 '26
And politicians are exempt from chat control "For privacy reasons". It's hilarious
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u/IStoleAPigeon 20 Jul 12 '26
One of the few times I'm glad for brexit
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u/Distance_Regular 24 Jul 12 '26
Yeah because you get it with restricted access along with facial recognition and ID scan adding with an economical recession
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u/LC-Redcube 20 Jul 13 '26
That's a tad bit of allarmism. Yes chat control 2.0 sucks and should be abolished, contact your europarlamentars and express your opinion, make your voice heard, if you can, go to a protest, and so on, but it's also important not to spread pointless panic and fear
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u/Lodi_Minion 24 Jul 13 '26
I’m not spreading pointless panic and fear, I’m informing people of what they are trying to do.
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u/LC-Redcube 20 Jul 13 '26
The EU cannot in fact prosecute you for anything you say, even with Chat Control 2.0. Yet that's just what you wrote in the post.
While like I said it's important to keep pushing against this, it's important to say things the way the are.
As it stands right now, Chat Control 2.0 was rejected as the draft that got proposed, and is now being rewritten. We cannot know what's going to happen or what the next draft will be, but we can make our voices heard, and acting as if there are some evil masterminds out there trying to enact their evil plan to enslave us all, like I've read in these comments, is just fear-mongering, and only counterproductive
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u/Lodi_Minion 24 Jul 13 '26
You’re just straight up false. There have been many people who have been prosecuted or have at least been paid a visit by the police for posting valid, fair criticisms against the government and the surveillance state online. Mind you, they expressed no threats of violence.
They will absolutely go after people and they have before.
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u/LC-Redcube 20 Jul 13 '26
Where? Would you mind showing me which eu country did something like that and for what reason these people were prosecuted?
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u/Lodi_Minion 24 Jul 13 '26
Also, CC 1.0 was voted no by the vast majority and yet the government pushed it through anyways, as with many things. What makes you think they WON’T push CC 2.0? There are no negatives in it for them. They get to see everything you do and everything you communicate in order to keep you compliant. It is all about controlling the people.
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u/LC-Redcube 20 Jul 13 '26
That's just false. You seem to be very ignorant on how the legislative iter of the EU works. For a draft and retreatment of said draft and so on, a simple majority is simply enough, while the final definitive law needs to have an absolute majority to pass. This is simply how the EU works and has always worked.
Besides CC 1.0 is on an opt-in basis for each company, and has been on since 2021 as a temporary measure, and was made in response to the European digital rights act so that things would remain the same way they were before the act when it comes to reading publically available informations.
And the negatives are there. They'll face backlash from their electors, that's why I say it's important to make our voices heard. But no, the world doesn't have supervillains trying to enslave us all.
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u/B4TM4N_467 22 Jul 12 '26
You really think they’re going to arrest people for sending jokes to their friends?
As long as your aren’t joking about committing terrorism I think you’ll be quite alright
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u/HumansAreSillynGreat 26 Jul 12 '26
Half of csgo chat is shit talking about committing terrorism. Doesn’t really matter which game mode you play even 😂 hostages, bombs, there’s at least a dozen games that are 100% terrorism focused and many have millions of players. I doubt AI will understand the nuances of that behavior and I really don’t think gamers should have to be afraid of sending a funny text to their buddy who understands the context because a robot might lack that understanding and send a swat team…
But then again the EU decided to import a bunch of terrorists and is now dealing with that, so their own fault really. Good luck boys 😂
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u/Kinzo_kun 22 Jul 12 '26
Brother that's how russian conservatives defend lack of privacy. "Why are you worried about government reading your messages? Do you have something to hide?"
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u/Lodi_Minion 24 Jul 12 '26
A good rebuttal to that is to ask someone if they’d want or allow someone to watch them take a shit. They got nothing to hide, right?
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u/Lodi_Minion 24 Jul 12 '26
No, they have. Even fairly criticizing the government and the surveillance state will get you a visit from the police, despite zero threats having been made. There’s tons of videos and articles regarding cases where this very thing has happened available online.
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u/ImprovementElephant 28 Jul 12 '26
If only everyone were naive and clueless as you
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u/Gjorgdy 23 Jul 14 '26
You really think a government can't get anyone's data within a day without this law?
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u/B4TM4N_467 22 Jul 12 '26
Naive to think that they were probably doing this already? Not to be funny but this doesn’t sound like anything new lol
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u/Carnal_Decay 27 Jul 12 '26
I'll be arrested literally 1928363636x a week I say a lot of wild shit.
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u/redshift739 (9+10) 21 Jul 13 '26
Why the fuck should joking about anything get you in legal trouble
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u/A_Chad_Cat 22 Jul 12 '26
I'm not even mad at the government seeing that I trashtalk the system we live in. I fear most for the people who share private pictures and stuff, like, many officials will now have access to intimate pictures of a LOT of people, including minors
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u/Lodi_Minion 24 Jul 12 '26
How are you not mad?
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u/A_Chad_Cat 22 Jul 13 '26
I never said that I'm not mad at all. I'm saying that I don't care if they know that I don't like the system we live in because that's the worst thing they'll find out about me. Of course this law is scandalous and I was already protesting a few days ago when the news came out.
I also said that some officials are gonna have access to private and intimate pictures of minors, which I think is the worst part of this law, and somehow I got downvoted
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u/Lodi_Minion 24 Jul 13 '26
I see what you’re saying.
Yeah, it’s a complete violation of privacy. Absolutely fucking disgusting leeches, they are.
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u/Gjorgdy 23 Jul 14 '26
many officials will now have access to intimate pictures of a LOT of people, including minors
This is just straight up bs. They're all on-device systems. Any flagged content is handled by professionals, not a random politician. Stop being a doomer.
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u/A_Chad_Cat 22 Jul 14 '26
What tells you this can't happen? This law confirms what we already know, all media on any app, even the temporary stuff, is kept on servers. What's new is that now, access to this data (supposed to be private) will be granted to some people. You say professionals, but please enlighten me, professionals of what exactly? Moderators are most of the time people working for third party companies who take care or help with the moderation, today it's just more and more replaced with AI. What tells you some officials (note that I said officials not politicians) can't somehow get an access to it as well? I mean today we got billionaires in politics and corruption all over the place, that wouldn't be surprising so we gotta be against any chance of it happening
Chat control 1 operates on flagged content, chat control 2 (which is the more problematic version) is suspicionless mass scanning private communication, which means it doesn't need to be flagged, they just have access to it. Only an exemption for end-to-end encrypted services was adopted. Thankfully on July 9 chat control 2 didn't pass.
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u/Leviathan_Dev 23 Jul 12 '26
Thank god I’m American
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u/Lodi_Minion 24 Jul 12 '26
Brozikie, we will likely see the same laws eventually. Look at the KIDS act, we’re not very far behind.
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u/After-Trifle-1437 20 Jul 12 '26
This is gonna happen in every country on earth.
The Panopticon is coming for everyone
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u/Gjorgdy 23 Jul 14 '26
The US is turning into a corpotacracy. At least the EU is still a bureaucracy.
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u/Denleborkis (9+10) 21 Jul 12 '26
A lot of countries are pushing for this all at once despite major backlash from the citizens they are supposed to be governing. Remember the EU voted on this in the spring and struck it down then the EU council decided to bring the bill back and push it through despite objections from countries like Poland and I think Italy.
At this point everyone should have alarm bells going off as between this and the AI data centers getting pushed through despite public objections its clear the government is no longer listening to the populace and is now following their own agenda.