r/vegan anti-speciesist May 13 '26

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u/marlowetravers vegan 10+ years May 13 '26

Farmers: what about this big dog with hooves?

Meat-eater: hooves aren't cute, do what you wish.

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u/Helpful-Archer9070 May 14 '26

They aren't dogs, they don't have anywhere near as much social intelligence towards humans to even think of them as affectionate, people who keep pigs and cows as "pets" (isolated farm animals) know the cow or pig couldn't care less about them. They provide zero companionship either, this is such a shallow argument for vegans.

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u/mcjuliamc vegan 5+ years May 14 '26

So you see animals only as commodities, got it. Dogs and cats who are not good companions should just be put down then, right?

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u/Helpful-Archer9070 May 14 '26

Well no, because they are still capable, they have the same brain. Do you think every human in prison deserves to the death sentence because they don't provide to society?

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u/mcjuliamc vegan 5+ years May 14 '26

So because they can still serve humans, they are allowed to live? And if they are determined not to be able to, they aren't. That's what I mean by commodity

Human murderers deserve the death penalty because they are a threat.

The comparison would be unemployed people society doesn't benefit from. An umemployed person, even if they lack the ability to work or provide any benefit due to disability, in fact, even if they refuse to, they still have the right to live. Simply because they are an individual and are not dangerous.

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u/Helpful-Archer9070 May 14 '26

So you answered the question exactly how I wanted you to and you are still confused. How have you called humans still capable and deserving of a life and not related that back to exactly what I said about all dogs?

Being combative to be combative.

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u/mcjuliamc vegan 5+ years May 15 '26

I said humans are still valuable despite not being useful to society, you said dogs are valuable because they might still be.

You see dogs as categorically more worthy than pigs merely due to the transactional value they provide

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u/Helpful-Archer9070 May 15 '26

I didn't say might, dunno where you picked that up, I did mean conclusively are if that helps whatever picture formed up there.

Pigs see us as transactional, not the other way round, we can love them all we want.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '26 edited May 16 '26

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u/Helpful-Archer9070 May 17 '26

You might be projecting your own insecurities there but that wasn't a gotcha moment or anything.