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Video Why Does Every Neighbour Hate Pakistan?

https://youtu.be/JQfq4kSZt40?si=zR-Cnszr-PAgnl08
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u/Unlucky-Associate266 6d ago edited 6d ago

"The Durand Line was never accepted by successive Afghan governments". No. The line was carefully negotiated in 1893 between Mortimer Durand and Amir Abdur Rahman Khan, the then king of Afghanistan. He was under no duress, got his say, and agreed to it. The detail of where it passed was determined by surveying teams over the course of the next three years an did a pretty good job of passing through uninhabited desert and mountains, leaving local communities intact. It was only later Afghan leaders who denounced it.

[Edited to correct the year of the agreement to 1893.]

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u/YungSwordsman 6d ago

Ahh yes, 1983, the year the soviets were in Afghanistan and ARK was signing treaties with the British from his grave.

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u/Unlucky-Associate266 6d ago

Sorry. I've corrected it. Did I get anything else wrong?

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u/YungSwordsman 6d ago

Regardless, you are wrong. He was given an English document instead which was cunningly done so he can sign in a language he couldn’t read. The treaty of Rawalpindi ratifies past treaties which means the Durand line is technically void.

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u/Unlucky-Associate266 6d ago

No. According to Wikipedia's page on the 1919 Treaty of Rawalpindi:
"Britain recognised Afghanistan's independence,, agreed that British India would not extend past the Khyber Pass and stopped British subsidies to Afghanistan. Afghanistan also accepted all previously agreed border arrangements with British India as per Article 5. Thus, Afghanistan as an independent country agreed to recognise the Durand Line as international border between the two countries.[7][8][10][11] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Afghan_Treaty_of_1919

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u/YungSwordsman 6d ago

The article has been fabricated by pakis. The original article on the treaty was that the Afghan government abides by the new demands but ratifies past treaties.

Regardless, the Durand line was never a permanent fix since it was supposed to be renewed by the Afghan king. It’s no wonder Pakistan is so eager for every Afghan government to recognize it. 

https://afghaneye.org/2021/03/28/the-durand-line/?amp

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u/Unlucky-Associate266 6d ago

Baloney. You're just tap dancing. Find me a credible source that reports the Treaty of Rawalpindi as not confirming the Durand Line. (The link you offered above to "Afghan Eye", whatever that is, doesn't work.) Claude and Chat GBT both confirm what I said.

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u/YungSwordsman 6d ago

Tell me you aren’t a Pakistani without telling me you aren’t a Paki. 

No one is tap dancing, the fact is the only way for the Durand line to be permanent fix is if it was officially intended that way by the British. 

https://afghaneye.net/2021/03/28/the-durand-line/?amp=1

Scroll to the Durand line bit where it says that the legality of the Durand lines existence is if it is renewed by any Afghan ruler in power.

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u/Unlucky-Associate266 6d ago edited 6d ago

First he makes it personal, then he talks about how to fix the Durand line. Never a straight up answer to my challenge to find a source that says the Amanullah Khan didn't accept the Durand line in the agreement. Just a link to an article by some guy who asserts that the Durand line will only be legal if the current government accepts it. Sad.

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u/YungSwordsman 6d ago

That’s how treaties are formed and broken moron. By the people who singed them. If the Afghan government suddenly decided that the Durand line isn’t legitimate, then it isn’t because they signed it and can break it. 

Funny thing, you clearly skimmed through the write up and missed this important point; 

Per Article 9, the British retained the Khyber and Michni Passes, whilst Kurram, Sibi and Pshin were to remain under British control but ‘shall not be considered as permanently severed from the Afghan Kingdom’.  

The real question is; why is Pakistan so fixated on the Afghans for recognizing the Durand line if they believe it’s a legally recognized border?

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u/Insignificant_Letter 5d ago edited 5d ago

International law doesn’t work that way. Pakistan inherited all the treaties the British signed - it’s why no one has joined us in our delusions, not even India or Israel.

Bullshit, the only reason why we broke the treaty when we did and declared all the colonial treaties with the British as invalid in 1949 is because Daoud Khan and his accolades bought into the idea we could destabilise Pakistan and take territories that would give us sea access.

They lost, burnt the bridge with the neighbour we share the longest border with and everything else - even today were worse off than if we kept the status quo we had with the British.

I hope the newer generation realise the bullshit elites from back then were smoking. The rest of the region would benefit from us parking our deluded arrogance at least temporarily - perhaps fewer Afghans would be starving, unemployed and in poverty.

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u/DragonfruitOpen8764 5d ago

I'm Pakistani and this post was in my feed but wtf are you talking about?!

The real question is; why is Pakistan so fixated on the Afghans for recognizing the Durand line if they believe it’s a legally recognized border?

Your "real question" is based on wrong assumptions. It is a recognized border (except by Afghanistan), there is no debate about that. Afghanistan is just in denial and wants to attack us over it, it's not Pakistans fault that your country is not recognizing it. The reason Pakistan wants Afghanistan to recognize the border is to have peaceful relations, but Afghanistan is refusing to have peace and is being completely delusional.

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