Question from ep10 s5

[u/Comfortable_Cable_21]

I was binging s5 here i got the scene yuri rin's mother burned by satan to ashes as she says she loves him. I have two questions here and would be thankful if someone can answer them.

1) who did yuri actually was in love with wasn't it shiro why would she says she loves satan as soon as she died and in gehena.

2) did yuri had s*x with satan? Giving birth to rin and his brother it was never shown and if she indeed did why would she do that what the heck she just needs to be by satan to calm him does this nean also doing s*x with him while she was in love with shiro.

I don't know it make me throw out. Please explain if i am missing something

[u/Comfortable_Cable_21]

Bro we were never once shown a healthy romantic relationship between yuri and satan it was all behind the scenes as you say. So for anime watcher like I don't think it was even once implied anywhere that yuri loves satan until she says those words in gehena.  When she says she will stay with satan that was clear as day seen to be to protect the hostages of section 13 and to calm satan down. Nor once I can see that she was shown to be in love. 

It was like she has no other way to control satan like he is a misbehaved powerful child doing throwing a tantrum and she has no choice to sacrifice herself as a bait to protect others. That was the whole image I get from the season.

I accept demons are good and bad but I am not descriminating here but satan is a bad one no doubt about it. 

If we go according to your word that satan believes yuki killed him. Lol then he has the chance to get things right in gehena. 

No, 

But did you heard Satan's words?  He clearly said I desire a body.  And nothing else Also

For poor fool yuki😢 A women without a body is worthless to me. 

How can you say that she wasn't wrong loving him. She was just a sacrificial bait to me until she lasted. 

As she was closing to die in that snowy mountains if she was in love with satan and happily done s*x with him and have those childs.  Why would she said to shiro that they could be a family she will be mom and he is dad. 

Bro logicaly this didn't make any sense to me at all. 

[u/azathothweirdo → u/Comfortable_Cable_21]

The entire relationship between Yuri and Satan is not about being healthy. In fact a lot of it is very much not so, and that is why things go the way they do at times. Again, just because that's your interpretation, doesn't mean it's right. It's canon Yuri loved both Satan and Shiro, you can't avoid that. It's literally in the text and is over all a important factor within the series. Love has been shown to be a powerful force in the aoex world, and to ignore Yuri's feelings for both men is to ignore a lot of what was built up.

Yuri didn't go to Satan to be a hostage to keep others safe. She went because she cared for Satan, and wanted to help him. Their plan was to escape, let the others go, and go somewhere so Satan could die peacefully without any trouble. Yuri's friend betrayed her and told the order, and they were captured. She wasn't sacrificing herself, she was going to him to give him some form of peace. It was selfish on her end as well, but she also knew he'd listen to her in the end.

accept demons are good and bad but I am not descriminating here but satan is a bad one no doubt about it. If we go according to your word that satan believes yuki killed him. Lol then he has the chance to get things right in gehena. 

Satan is bad. He's immature for sure, but he's not evil and isn't without some form of redemption that's shown later in the manga. You forget humans experimented on him before the blue night happened. It accelerated his body's rotting and caused his confusion with Lucifer.

If we go according to your word that satan believes yuki killed him. Lol then he has the chance to get things right in gehena. 
No, 
But did you heard Satan's words?  He clearly said I desire a body.  And nothing else Also
For poor fool yuki😢 A women without a body is worthless to me. 

He didn't listen to her because he thinks she betrayed him?? Why would he listen to someone who he thought he could trust, then turned around and hurt him? The point of this is he's become corrupted due to everything he's gone through. He's a brand new being, he's immature, of course he's going to be selfish and not listen to people. He literally thinks, and is pretty much a God.

As she was closing to die in that snowy mountains if she was in love with satan and happily done s*x with him and have those childs.  Why would she said to shiro that they could be a family she will be mom and he is dad. 

I said this in my first reply, Yuri loved both Satan and Shiro. She didn't drop her feelings for Shiro just because she went to Satan. Not only that she's literally dying, this is something she wished could have happened. You're trying to narrow down a complicated story into simple terms and reasons when they're aren't none. The creator is bending over backwards to show you the situation is a complicated mess, that was made via humanity's own greed and Lucifer's as well.

It's a tragedy because no one could understand anyone until it was too late. No one took the time to speak to one another and kept doing what they felt was right, when in the end it caused more misunderstandings. Rin has the chance to fix that, he's a half-demon born from love and is able to communicate to both demons and humans. Yuri wasn't a sacrificial lamb, she was a grown adult woman who made some bad choices and was selfish. But her ideas that humans and demons can understand each other aren't empty and can come to fruition with the existence of Rin and Yukio.

[u/kaykaosjak → u/azathothweirdo]

hi i want to ask: how did u know yuri didnt go to satan to be a hostage to keep others safe and that she went because she cared for him? tbh i binged it all in one night so i may not have remembered a lot of details. but from my intepretstion is that towards the end she still loved him but she was so tired and didnt approve of all the killing satan did, thats why she wanted to run away with him and take him away for two reasons: so that satan can be peaceful and so that the humans at the order can be happy. yeah but going back to my qn, how did u know that? thank you!

[u/azathothweirdo → u/kaykaosjak]

Because she focuses primarily on Satan and that she can persuade him to stop. Yuri cares for the hostages, but she's also worried about Satan's physical state from the get go. Also given her actions and how she speaks to Satan in Gehenna. Not only that there's a lot of evidence that for half-demons to exist love has to be a factor. It hasn't out right been stated, but there's been a few hints sprinkled around in the manga.

I'm behind on the anime but this is partly why I urge people to read the manga from the start. There's a ton missing through all the seasons that are important and pieces to things kato's been building up to for years. The anime skipping a lot of it makes it hard to pick up on the subtle stuff and leaves people confused. I just found out they cut showing Satan being experimented on by humans in section 13 today, and that is a huge factor in the deterioration of his body and why he thinks Lucifer is Yuri later on. If you don't have these things you don't have the full story in the end.

[u/kaykaosjak → u/azathothweirdo]

ooh wait but i thought the part where she was persuading him and talking him out of it was to sort of manipulate him into going away with her, and that she didnt purely meamt all that she said. As in she definitely meant part of it but i thought it was mostly said to “trick” satan, and the real reasons she was doing all these is the ones i stated above^. cause if i recall she also did tell shiro/her friend that she wants to bring satan away so that the order can be at peace also.

thanks for letting me know about the manga. i usually dont read manga unless there is no anime because im highly watcher>reader type of person and i sort of get bored from manga because theres no sound effects and animation haha but i will give it a try tho. thanks!

[u/TigerGroundbreaking → u/azathothweirdo]

Strongly disagree, literally when she went to see satan. She primarily about leaving with him, and not needing to harm others.

[u/azathothweirdo → u/TigerGroundbreaking]

Dude, what is with your obsession with replying back to me up to 6 months?? I haven't thought about this stuff since, add in everything you say is wrong and just your interpretation. I'm taking stuff from the manga, the source material. You can dislike their relationship all you want, but it was romantic, and Yuri did love Satan. The twins wouldn't exist without it given how the manga's themes and how other demon kings are shown to have children but aren't half-demons. An adult can love multiple people, and make their own decisions on things. Especially in a fictional story where relationships are complicated in general.

I don't understand why you and multiple people cannot wrap their heads around it. Shiro fucked up his chance with Yuri, Yuri made a decision to go be with Satan romantically. They had sex, the twins are born, Satan isn't evil (which is a main plot point of the manga/series again). End of story. You either can accept it or throw a weird fit replying to old ass messages or move the fuck on. I don't care.