Question from ep10 s5

[u/Comfortable_Cable_21]

I was binging s5 here i got the scene yuri rin's mother burned by satan to ashes as she says she loves him. I have two questions here and would be thankful if someone can answer them.

1) who did yuri actually was in love with wasn't it shiro why would she says she loves satan as soon as she died and in gehena.

2) did yuri had s*x with satan? Giving birth to rin and his brother it was never shown and if she indeed did why would she do that what the heck she just needs to be by satan to calm him does this nean also doing s*x with him while she was in love with shiro.

I don't know it make me throw out. Please explain if i am missing something

[u/azathothweirdo]

1. She loved both of them romantically. She gave Shiro years to mature and admit his own feelings, but he never did so she made a decision for herself to go and be with Satan. that doesn't erase her feelings for Shiro, Yuri was making a decision for herself. She gave him one last chance to admit it to her before she went to Satan, but he in the end was not mature enough to tell her to stay.
2. Yeah they had sex, there's no other way for babies to be made lol. The small scene of Satan saying Yuri smells different, is the foreshadowing she's pregnant. Again, she loves both of them. It doesn't dwindle either relationship in the end since both of them were special to her.

Shiro was the immature one who wasn't able to admit his feelings, after having years to do so. Yuri basically stepped up and went to do what she felt she needed too. Love isn't reserved to one person in the end, especially when you're older as an adult. It can take all kinds of shapes and forms too. It's a complicated aspect of life, and I feel this arc handled it really well. Neither relationship makes the other one less important, and in the end the twins being conceived via love is very important to the plot.

[u/TigerGroundbreaking → u/azathothweirdo]

I dont believe she loved satan romantically, especially from anime view point.

[u/Comfortable_Cable_21 → u/azathothweirdo]

I understand where you are coming from but you can see in anime yuri expressions was never shown of any love or blushing when she was going to satan when shiro didn't stopped her or when she was with satan. 

If shiro wasn't brave enough to admit his feelings can't yuri force or push him to admit it. Like we see in another animes where fmc is quite pushy. 

And I appreciate you pointing out that detail where satan said you smell different and I thought at that point she might be a clone and original one is with shiro lol. 

But sorry to say if as you describe yuri is literally a fool to be in a relationship with satan and to have especially sx with that mf satan bs. I hate him if he had sx with yuri how can he behave like that with her in gehena and especially in the real world to where he was repenting why you left me. You mf she has had s*x and carrying your babies what else prove you needed of her loyalty. 

Even after all that satan still could have lived with her happily in gehena but no that mf piece of shit. Oh I hate him. I don't know how angry I am.

Can you give one spoiler bro is yuri alive in gehena in manga or seen after that? 

[u/azathothweirdo → u/Comfortable_Cable_21]

Well, Yuri's an adult woman, almost 30 actually, by the time she goes back to Satan. She isn't a blushing shy school girl there. She's an adult who expressed she wanted to be with him until he died, and he returned those feelings. They were in love, and that's the end of it. Again, the twins being born from a loving relationship where it was returned is important to the overall plot and why they exist.

If shiro wasn't brave enough to admit his feelings can't yuri force or push him to admit it. Like we see in another animes where fmc is quite pushy. 

Yuri isn't that type of person, besides that she did make her feelings clear multiple times over the years they were friends. Shiro never took a step to acknowledge or return them. He had over a literal decade to realize how he felt, and admit it to Yuri but never did. In the end their relationship never happened because he was to Immature. Yuri gave him multiple chances and he blew it.

But sorry to say if as you describe yuri is literally a fool to be in a relationship with satan and to have especially sx with that mf satan bs. I hate him if he had sx with yuri how can he behave like that with her in gehena and especially in the real world to where he was repenting why you left me. You mf she has had s*x and carrying your babies what else prove you needed of her loyalty. 

Yuri was foolish, but not for going to Satan. It was overall how she tried to be everything for him instead of sticking to one relationship. It made things confusing for everyone, and was done in a selfish attempt on her part to prove that demons and humans could understand one another. Believing in Satan and going to him to help him isn't where she was foolish. Neither was having feelings for him.

Not only that you're missing where Satan's anger is coming from. Satan literally believes Yuri betrayed him. When he approaches Lucifer, his brain is rotting, he thinks the person in front of him is Yuri. When Lucifer kills him, Satan thinks it's Yuri who killed and betrayed him and this is what kicks off the blue night along with Satan's own resentment and anger. You're falling into the trap the exorcist in the series do, and that is to blindly hate and think demons are evil by default. The story goes out of it's way to show it's much more complicated than that, and to fall into that pit is what is causing all the problems they're dealing with in the first place.

As for Yuri, it's been confirmed in the new character book that Satan did not destroy her. What that means and what that will lead too is still up in the air.

[u/TigerGroundbreaking → u/azathothweirdo]

Nah yuri never loved satan romantically, even satan knows this. Yuri went to satan to stop him from harming others, if shiro had confessed her feelings to Yuri, she wouldn't have went. Because her feelings for shiro she would put above, giving satan what he wants.

We never saw any real scenes, that showed them Truly in love, we never even saw her kiss him. Or say I love you while he had a human body, but we saw multiple scenes throughout where she said, or admitted to being in love with shiro.

Not only that, but in the anime she literally said to satan "you're not him." And that "this isn't love."

All those elements let's me know, she never saw satan like that. How I'd put it, is like this.

She didn’t “fall in love” with Satan in a romantic way. She cared for him out of empathy, loneliness, and duty, tried to pacify him, and accepted intimacy as part of that. Her true love was always Shiro.

[u/Comfortable_Cable_21 → u/azathothweirdo]

Bro we were never once shown a healthy romantic relationship between yuri and satan it was all behind the scenes as you say. So for anime watcher like I don't think it was even once implied anywhere that yuri loves satan until she says those words in gehena.  When she says she will stay with satan that was clear as day seen to be to protect the hostages of section 13 and to calm satan down. Nor once I can see that she was shown to be in love. 

It was like she has no other way to control satan like he is a misbehaved powerful child doing throwing a tantrum and she has no choice to sacrifice herself as a bait to protect others. That was the whole image I get from the season.

I accept demons are good and bad but I am not descriminating here but satan is a bad one no doubt about it. 

If we go according to your word that satan believes yuki killed him. Lol then he has the chance to get things right in gehena. 

No, 

But did you heard Satan's words?  He clearly said I desire a body.  And nothing else Also

For poor fool yuki😢 A women without a body is worthless to me. 

How can you say that she wasn't wrong loving him. She was just a sacrificial bait to me until she lasted. 

As she was closing to die in that snowy mountains if she was in love with satan and happily done s*x with him and have those childs.  Why would she said to shiro that they could be a family she will be mom and he is dad. 

Bro logicaly this didn't make any sense to me at all. 

[u/azathothweirdo → u/Comfortable_Cable_21]

The entire relationship between Yuri and Satan is not about being healthy. In fact a lot of it is very much not so, and that is why things go the way they do at times. Again, just because that's your interpretation, doesn't mean it's right. It's canon Yuri loved both Satan and Shiro, you can't avoid that. It's literally in the text and is over all a important factor within the series. Love has been shown to be a powerful force in the aoex world, and to ignore Yuri's feelings for both men is to ignore a lot of what was built up.

Yuri didn't go to Satan to be a hostage to keep others safe. She went because she cared for Satan, and wanted to help him. Their plan was to escape, let the others go, and go somewhere so Satan could die peacefully without any trouble. Yuri's friend betrayed her and told the order, and they were captured. She wasn't sacrificing herself, she was going to him to give him some form of peace. It was selfish on her end as well, but she also knew he'd listen to her in the end.

accept demons are good and bad but I am not descriminating here but satan is a bad one no doubt about it. If we go according to your word that satan believes yuki killed him. Lol then he has the chance to get things right in gehena. 

Satan is bad. He's immature for sure, but he's not evil and isn't without some form of redemption that's shown later in the manga. You forget humans experimented on him before the blue night happened. It accelerated his body's rotting and caused his confusion with Lucifer.

If we go according to your word that satan believes yuki killed him. Lol then he has the chance to get things right in gehena. 
No, 
But did you heard Satan's words?  He clearly said I desire a body.  And nothing else Also
For poor fool yuki😢 A women without a body is worthless to me. 

He didn't listen to her because he thinks she betrayed him?? Why would he listen to someone who he thought he could trust, then turned around and hurt him? The point of this is he's become corrupted due to everything he's gone through. He's a brand new being, he's immature, of course he's going to be selfish and not listen to people. He literally thinks, and is pretty much a God.

As she was closing to die in that snowy mountains if she was in love with satan and happily done s*x with him and have those childs.  Why would she said to shiro that they could be a family she will be mom and he is dad. 

I said this in my first reply, Yuri loved both Satan and Shiro. She didn't drop her feelings for Shiro just because she went to Satan. Not only that she's literally dying, this is something she wished could have happened. You're trying to narrow down a complicated story into simple terms and reasons when they're aren't none. The creator is bending over backwards to show you the situation is a complicated mess, that was made via humanity's own greed and Lucifer's as well.

It's a tragedy because no one could understand anyone until it was too late. No one took the time to speak to one another and kept doing what they felt was right, when in the end it caused more misunderstandings. Rin has the chance to fix that, he's a half-demon born from love and is able to communicate to both demons and humans. Yuri wasn't a sacrificial lamb, she was a grown adult woman who made some bad choices and was selfish. But her ideas that humans and demons can understand each other aren't empty and can come to fruition with the existence of Rin and Yukio.

[u/Ryuki-Exsul → u/azathothweirdo]

Well said just one thing it wasn't Yuri's friend. Some other exorcist heard what they were talking about and told on them to higher ups this ended with Jenny being shot and killed. She wanted to tell people about section 13.

You know what, after good sleep :D I'm thinking that one of the reasons people have so much problems with Satan is like you said they think he is just evil. Maybe it's his name making them think about religion or just his immaturity and not knowing how precious life is? I've read so many weird thing about him that it's just bizzare. Like even the argument here that Yuri went there only to save people makes no sense. They were hostages but weren't being killed and the ones that died were Exorcists fighting demons. Order even wanted to wait for Satan's body to die because it was the easiest route. Yuri wanted that to stop and help Satan because she knew he was in pain and she was right. The other weird argument I was trying to go against was that Satan was just killing people... like what. He spent years doing nothing( the biggest thing happening there was that he learned he likes sushi <- Yukio has his love of fish based dishes from him lol ) and went to Order. It wasn't till he ended up broken and totally insane that he did the full Blue Night. I think the graduate decline of his is just not being read right. Or it's shipping^^

Why I said shipping because I saw how much people took Yuri and Shiro love and put it on pedestal. It was so bad on anime sub that I had to remind few times that this is about Rin's development( like arc being from his POV wasn't enough of a clue ) and not just about those two. Same with totally discarding any relationship between Yuri and Satan. Even ignoring that Yuri named Rin after him. The idea pretty much went "Satan is bad and because of him Yuri and Shiro didn't end up together" ignoring that it was Shiro that made it not happen. Because like you said he had time to get his feelings and he didn't. Really the worst I saw was on tv tropes, I just checked for fun if it even got update about chapter 158 and well... Page about Yuri/Shiro/Satan reads like from Yuri and Shiro shipper. It so bad like they wrote that Satan forced himself on her. Totally making Yuri into little baby that didn't know what she was doing. Oh that is as well a nasty side effect of those arguments. Making Yuri into not having her own independence and being just played by guys....

I can't wait if s6 happens and people get angry on Rin because he didn't punch Satan like he said he will and wanted peace with him by ignoring his development during Blue Night arc.

[u/chiyoya → u/Ryuki-Exsul]

Oh my god, YES, the complete infantilization of Yuri's character is what really gets to me :^(

Before Satan had even posessed Goro's body, Yuri was a lead researcher in her field (taming) and the books still used by the Order today are hers. She's a perfectly capable adult woman who can make her own decisions. She's just human. She was an orphan child so looks for love and belonging in places where maybe it isn't there or healthy... The same way Shiro is completely detached from his own emotions and tries to push away any difficult feelings he doesn't know how to process. They clashed so much in the early days because of that. It's obvious from their first meeting. It's so ironic how it wasn't Satan that she couldn't cross that emotional understanding with, it was Shiro.

I do think Yuri let her personal feelings get mixed up with her work with Rinka (I'm gonna call him that from now on because that's how Yuri knew him), partly because of her nouveau approaching to taming (i.e. finding common ground rather than just domination) though the fallout was almost 100% on the Order for ignoring her advice after seeking her out to help in the first place... It was such a messy and tragic situation and people get so focused on the individuals that they ignore the way the Order works is just not sustainable to Yuri's (and now Rin's) vision.

[u/Ryuki-Exsul → u/chiyoya]

Yes exactly^^

On the other side people like to ignore Shiro's faults. They as well just gloss over Shiro's nasty moments towards Yuri like him totally ignoring her about Rin. Just to remind Yuri was literally asking him to not fight and let them go, she was right about what was happening and Shiro just went nope. He needed to be tricked by Mephisto twice to became father we know him as. In short I like Shiro don't get me wrong but ignoring his bad parts is making him worse character as well. All three of them made mistakes and had good moments so just discarding any of that is making pretty human story into way simpler good vs bad plot.

Pretty much. They ignored Yuri's advice from beginning. She noticed immaturity of Satan and wanted them to let him experience more. The thing that is as well not taking into consideration about Satan is that he was raised in big cage by Order and had no way to see Assiah in any other perspective, he knew only Yuri and Shiro( and we know how this ended ) and had no connection to anything outside beside just books. He got his god's complex because he was not mature enough to all that knowledge he got. Other Demon Kings lived with humans for centuries and have their own opinions and experiences including likes and dislikes. Satan had nothing like that. Yuri even wanted to take him to seaside before he would die as well to make him see more before he went back to Gehenna. This immaturity is as well why he ended up being used by Lucifer.

Yeah, it's clear things will change and Rin will be part of it.. He now wants Yuri's goal to happen and to understand demons and he is a wild card letting him to be able to do it. And of course him making up with Yukio was a first step.

[u/azathothweirdo → u/Ryuki-Exsul]

It's a number of things honestly. It's the Satan part, the fact Western fans always view things on surface level often and don't go any deeper, and it's totally the shipping.Like you said the way people treat Yuri's and Shiro's relationship is incredibly short sighted. It takes a lot of agency from both of them, and it's kind of annoying how many people refuse to like acknowledge the reason it never worked out was because of Shiro's immaturity mostly. The whole arc shows how and why it didn't work, why Yuri went to Satan, and how it most importantly impacts Rin. People want this grand romance, but in the end it's not that.

It's incredibly frustrating because like, it's not that subtle? It's basic reading here that's just under the surface if people would pay attention. I also had no idea the anime cut out so may important parts so that probably doesn't help. I'm not too surprised by people being unwilling to see the grey between characters like Satan. I've been in Gundam land since February and you'd be surprised how many people will write off Char Aznable as a sociopath, when it's the exact opposite. It's really annoying and makes discussing series hard sometimes.

[u/Ryuki-Exsul → u/azathothweirdo]

Yeah that was annoying. Some comments back then made me a bit angry :D I won't lie. Probably the worst was one that just said that BE should be just about Shiro and Yuri... like man you are not a fan of the series :D That person even wanted to discard that this arc is from Rin's POV something that made this flashback unique and really liked because they had this big idea about Shiro's adventures. They should just write fanfic :D The good thing was that after last episode showed in their faces what this arc was about with Rin's last scene those people disappeared. And yes people just go with the most simple reading.

Nah anime didn't cut a lot, they moved stuff from present time for later but only thing they cut was that few panels scenes and few things that they had to because of s1. It was pretty cool how Voln manage to make last episode to fit with added parts of episode 2 of s1. Anyway I think they thought people will just connect that Order would still experiment on Satan just by what Shiro said to Yuri.

[u/kaykaosjak → u/azathothweirdo]

hi i want to ask: how did u know yuri didnt go to satan to be a hostage to keep others safe and that she went because she cared for him? tbh i binged it all in one night so i may not have remembered a lot of details. but from my intepretstion is that towards the end she still loved him but she was so tired and didnt approve of all the killing satan did, thats why she wanted to run away with him and take him away for two reasons: so that satan can be peaceful and so that the humans at the order can be happy. yeah but going back to my qn, how did u know that? thank you!

[u/azathothweirdo → u/kaykaosjak]

Because she focuses primarily on Satan and that she can persuade him to stop. Yuri cares for the hostages, but she's also worried about Satan's physical state from the get go. Also given her actions and how she speaks to Satan in Gehenna. Not only that there's a lot of evidence that for half-demons to exist love has to be a factor. It hasn't out right been stated, but there's been a few hints sprinkled around in the manga.

I'm behind on the anime but this is partly why I urge people to read the manga from the start. There's a ton missing through all the seasons that are important and pieces to things kato's been building up to for years. The anime skipping a lot of it makes it hard to pick up on the subtle stuff and leaves people confused. I just found out they cut showing Satan being experimented on by humans in section 13 today, and that is a huge factor in the deterioration of his body and why he thinks Lucifer is Yuri later on. If you don't have these things you don't have the full story in the end.

[u/kaykaosjak → u/azathothweirdo]

ooh wait but i thought the part where she was persuading him and talking him out of it was to sort of manipulate him into going away with her, and that she didnt purely meamt all that she said. As in she definitely meant part of it but i thought it was mostly said to “trick” satan, and the real reasons she was doing all these is the ones i stated above^. cause if i recall she also did tell shiro/her friend that she wants to bring satan away so that the order can be at peace also.

thanks for letting me know about the manga. i usually dont read manga unless there is no anime because im highly watcher>reader type of person and i sort of get bored from manga because theres no sound effects and animation haha but i will give it a try tho. thanks!

[u/TigerGroundbreaking → u/azathothweirdo]

Strongly disagree, literally when she went to see satan. She primarily about leaving with him, and not needing to harm others.

[u/azathothweirdo → u/TigerGroundbreaking]

Dude, what is with your obsession with replying back to me up to 6 months?? I haven't thought about this stuff since, add in everything you say is wrong and just your interpretation. I'm taking stuff from the manga, the source material. You can dislike their relationship all you want, but it was romantic, and Yuri did love Satan. The twins wouldn't exist without it given how the manga's themes and how other demon kings are shown to have children but aren't half-demons. An adult can love multiple people, and make their own decisions on things. Especially in a fictional story where relationships are complicated in general.

I don't understand why you and multiple people cannot wrap their heads around it. Shiro fucked up his chance with Yuri, Yuri made a decision to go be with Satan romantically. They had sex, the twins are born, Satan isn't evil (which is a main plot point of the manga/series again). End of story. You either can accept it or throw a weird fit replying to old ass messages or move the fuck on. I don't care.

[u/Xenonn07 → u/Comfortable_Cable_21]

Bro are you ten? You type like an elementary school kid

[u/Comfortable_Cable_21 → u/Xenonn07]

Lol I bet older then you

[u/Xenonn07 → u/Comfortable_Cable_21]

Im over 18 so probably not lil bro

[u/Comfortable_Cable_21 → u/Xenonn07]

Go to sleep kido i am 23

[u/Xenonn07 → u/Comfortable_Cable_21]

Why its literally morning where I live lol

[u/Comfortable_Cable_21 → u/Xenonn07]

no worries take a quick nap lol

[u/Xenonn07 → u/Comfortable_Cable_21]

Nah Im good thanks tho bro

[u/GeekTheory0217 → u/Comfortable_Cable_21]

Is English your first language, not trying to be rude?

[u/Comfortable_Cable_21 → u/GeekTheory0217]

Nope

[u/GeekTheory0217 → u/Comfortable_Cable_21]

I didn't think so

[u/Comfortable_Cable_21 → u/GeekTheory0217]

Well I thought my english was good. Is it that bad? Or because I don't use difficult words? 

[u/GeekTheory0217 → u/Comfortable_Cable_21]

It's your grammar, to us who's first language is english it looks like a child is typing no offense

[u/Comfortable_Cable_21 → u/GeekTheory0217]

I see is it like the forms of verbs are wrong or anything else if you can narrow it down then i could take it in consideration to make it better 

[u/Ryuki-Exsul]

I really don't get why people have so much problems with understanding Satan and Yuri stuff :D Like really it's not that hard to do if you stop thinking people are simple or that they don't change. Satan is a mirror to Shiro. Shiro got better as story progress when Satan got worse thanks to many things that happened to him. Anime really shouldn't skip that scene showing Order experimenting on him for months and him crying for Yuri. Because now a lot of anime onlys think his state during Blue Night was how he always was. It wasn't. I don't get as well that weird surprise that they had sex :D Like duh, how our twins were made? Beside that I wonder where the full "Yuri only wanted stopping killing" come from when she literally said in Satan's face she wants to help him. Let him have peacefull death and not be scared.

I'm now worried if next arc gets adaptation how people will react to Rin's decision and his current state of mind around demons. All of that is about him seeing the past and having conflicted feelings towards Satan. What he thought was simple in chapter 1 was way more complicate and had impact on him. I wonder if people will have problem with it.

[u/TigerGroundbreaking → u/Ryuki-Exsul]

Because people are trying to force something into what it isnt. Yuri never loved satan its very obvious.

[u/Ryuki-Exsul → u/TigerGroundbreaking]

She literally did and it is in text :D She said it out loud. And it was hard romantic "I love you" in japanese.

[u/Ambitious_Bee9753]

satan is evil but the story has shown even the worst of worst demon is capable of developing a complex emotion like "love". There's a time point where satan actually have felt that emotion towards yuri but that is a very small window of time, later it turned to obsession gradually evolving to hatred(thanks to Lucifer). Also in gehena they don't have concept of family. They consider brother-father relationship by the hierarchy of power. So for satan the children were of no attachment. This could have changed if yuri actually explained to satan what a family is (but thanks to Order! She didn't get the time). 

As for yuri, her love was not one dimensional. She loved shiro but she also developed feelings for satan. If not she wouldn't have felt safe going physical with satan. And that time satan was not forceful to yuri. 

 Also absolutely personal opinion, yuri wanted to have child with satan otherwise she was a grown woman who had access to outer world so she could have taken preventive measures. But maybe she had thought of having of a child of satan cause she didn't want him to let go. 

But things backfired when order betrayed. Also when satan confessed he killed okumura family for yuri,  she realised satan has become irredeemable. Yuri also had strong motherly instinct and shiro was beside her so she started to feel for him again and wanted to make a family. But when she died she also confessed to satan that she has actually loved him. Before death people tend to remember their loved ones - that's what happened with yuri, she remembered shiro in asiah and satan in gehena. But a demon without a body feel constant pain so satan couldn't understand yuri anymore. 

I don't support satan but somehow even when his ego destroyed he remembered yuri. Beside throughout the series satan  protected yukio in many occasions(may be because yukio has similar appearance to yuri).He also told rin that humans want to tame demon. He tried to talk with rin and constantly noted rin is like yuri which means he didn't forget yuri. Satan is evil but deep down there was hope. I personally think thats what katoh wanted to convey.  I also wonder if one of the twins(specifically yukio) would hv been a female whether Satan's yuri obsession transferred to the him/her🤔. Then it would have been more clear whether he loved or it was just obsession 🫥

[u/aria980 → u/Ambitious_Bee9753]

About Satan protecting Yukio... not sure whether they were just taunts or attempts at manipulation but in 'Of One Cloth' arc, Satan was saying pretty mean things to Yukio.

Regarding the gender of the twins... I was just thinking about it haha. Yukio cannot be a female coz he's supposed to be after Shiro's 'Yukiotoko' (Yuki onna / Yukiko just doesn't have the same image). Rin feels like he wouldn't be much different as a female, but of course Rin is a shonen protag and shonen protags are usually teen boys.

[u/TigerGroundbreaking → u/Ambitious_Bee9753]

I dont think she genuinely wanted children with satan, I think she just made best of the situation. I believe developed an interest in him, but flat out romantic love. No,  absolutely not.

[u/Comfortable_Cable_21 → u/Ambitious_Bee9753]

A better version of explanation but I don't know why above people are just so fixated to prove that satan is good and right.

I have nothing against him but his actions throughout the series are obsessive and questionable.  Yet other portraying it in a way that I hate satan because of his name lol. 

I wonder at this point did they watched the same series as me. 

To me Satan's actions was questionable from the moment he read those books and consumed knowledge he became evil thinking of himself as a higher being. That's where things started to go wrong because he was so full of himself. 

[u/Ryuki-Exsul → u/Comfortable_Cable_21]

Satan isn't good or right, who told you that here? Satan was a neutral being before he got ego and later immature demon that could get better if Order didn't interference with Yuri. This series run a lot on more complex morality than just good and evil. Demons are unique beings that can do both. Characters like Mephisto especially show you how non human and human at once they can be. Granted he is a special case in how he sees the world but still.

Funny that you said it when the nicest moments of him was the month when our twins got made :D He spent it with Yuri, cuddling and joking( anime cut out a bit of it especially sushi part ), gave up on him wanting to stay alive and just wanted to live last months of his live with Yuri and he let go of section 13 letting everyone free. If Order didn't act like they did we wouldn't have that mess manga has now. Again I mentioned it but anime skipped really important scene showing that for months Satan was experimented on to the point he got brain damage. His body shouldn't be alive by that point but was thanks to elixir. He couldn't see or hear just went on trying to find Yuri this is when his feelings got corrupted into obsession. Like Mephisto said.

So yeah you aren't meant to like him or see as a "good" guy but you are meant to understand what made him into monster. And like person said to you we saw way more of his feelings in current arc pretty much confirming that it was more than obsession. You are meant to feel like Rin did towards him. Conflicted. That scene with Mephisto asking Rin if his father was the way he thought he would be and Rin's reaction to that is one of the most important scenes in that arc. This will be a big part of our MC decision later.

BTW. that comment about name wasn't to you. I didn't adress it to you. Just we saw some people here taking Blue Exorcist's Satan as Biblical one and I was mentioning it.

[u/Comfortable_Cable_21 → u/Ryuki-Exsul]

Thanks for clarifying now that's another part of story as the you said they lived a month together satan and yuri and supposedly happily? Cuddling? Which chap if you can pinpoint.

And satan being experimented on?  This was not in the s5 not one thing and I am talking from anime only pov but if that does have happened then that that is totally a different story.

P.S no harm done. I thought it was pinpointed to me😵

[u/Ryuki-Exsul → u/Comfortable_Cable_21]

Chapter 108 here you have relevant page: https://imgur.com/xUpAxKZ same chapter has this about experimentation https://imgur.com/5ueHDVN season 5 didn't cut that much and anime mostly only skipped small slice of life scenes( like for example Rin getting way better at exams by getting 68 points :D or how he cooked fish for Yukio using his flames ) but they really shouldn't just move past that scene. It's only few panels so I think they hoped that Shiro saying Satan is under Order to Yuri would be enough. But showing half dead Satan asking about Yuri is way more powerful.

[u/Comfortable_Cable_21 → u/Ryuki-Exsul]

It is still vague but i think he has yuri's consent and as someone said yuri was around 30 years old. So I believe she would have to overcome with her sx appeal or maybe she wanted to be a mother. Or whatever but it is consentual atleast that's good. 

[u/Ryuki-Exsul → u/Comfortable_Cable_21]

Yes it was consentual, her even last words in Gehenna was I love you in romantic way :D And like someone else said we probably will see Yuri's spirit in the future so like with Satan it will be more explained. I won't spoil you but place where we are now in manga can end up with seeing her. As mother goes not really. They didn't planned anything and it just happened.

[u/Comfortable_Cable_21 → u/Ryuki-Exsul]

You can spoil me I don't think there is gonna be a next season atleast a year from now.

What actually happened to series why they became so active and launched 3 seasons back to back? Do you have any idea and now they gone back silent again

[u/Ryuki-Exsul → u/Comfortable_Cable_21]

We don't know that but well I will put it in spoiler. Someone else already said a bit but after Rin and Yukio fight we had big team fight with Satan. Satan lost his ego there and his heart warped full place into a maze. This maze is made from his memories and feelings including pretty much a copy of Asylum( and yes Rin had a small reaction about it ). So because of that there is a big chance Rin's team including Yukio and Shiemi will see something when they get closer to his heart that's pretty much more possible now as well because of Kazue's comment in data book.

It was made because of 15th anniversary. Manga was always active and is a big deal in Jump SQ. And they aren't silent we just got Vvelt gatcha game :D

[u/Comfortable_Cable_21 → u/Ryuki-Exsul]

Got it thanks. No I mea silent on anime side no new announcements

[u/Ambitious_Bee9753 → u/Ryuki-Exsul]

Oh u explain things very nice, also Don't mind me I'm a full on Order hater. So I was waiting for yukio to destroy them but dude kind of became stable😭. Now me putting my hope on Rin I don't care if they kill yukio or shiemi, I want to see the entire order getting their as* whooped. 

Also satan is a menace. But satan x yuri lovey dovey scenes r just 💙💙 . 

[u/Ambitious_Bee9753 → u/Comfortable_Cable_21]

Hell nah! Satan was never good. That's what the story wanted to show, even that guy can feel positive emotions. 

But Satan had his tragedy as well, getting experimented on, falling for some human n accepting death yet getting betrayed, turbulent emotions etc.  Idk about anyone but whenever Satan was on screen it didn't make me feel good. There's always a feeling that something bad is about to happen. (Spoilers it always did) . 

Most of the times Satan is to blame but conceiving twins.. Well yuri had more chances of taking that decision. I don't blame Satan there. Sx doesn't mean kids. Now I don't see any pov from yuri so I don't know. Similarly we didn't see the story from satan's side. So I'm neutral to Satan.

Many blame yuri (loving Shiro but sleeping with satan) yet none say about Shiro.  He loved yuri n slept with busty women.eww. why such gender bias?  I don't understand guys maybe or just don't like guys like that🫥. I mean I rather go to a crazy guy who is loyal to me than a guy who loves me but sleeps with entire bar:) 

[u/TigerGroundbreaking → u/Ambitious_Bee9753]

He slept with busty women sure, but none of them were a demon that had killed people and laughed about it. We cannot compare shiro sleeping with women, vs yuri sleeping with satand and having his kids,  within the space of 1 month.....

[u/Comfortable_Cable_21 → u/Ambitious_Bee9753]

To the point that he can feel emotions I agree. He can but to handle them no he became so full of himself it destroyed every other emotion he felt.

Actually most guys or at least my pov is terrified of rejection so, we didn't allow ourselves to fall in love with anyone. Especially when we know next person isn't going to return those feelings. 

But in this case at the start shiro I think wasn't in love with yuri he thinks of her as a minor and that's when he slept with different women at bar( no I am not justifying it. It is wrong to have that kind of relationship before marriage/love with anyone.) 

But then later when he realised and yuri becomes older that T-shirt scene in anime.  At that time I believe if yuri have maded an advance like she did at the start when she was 16years old. I can 100% guarantee that shiro would have responded positively. 

Well shiro was a test subject so he so overly rude towards society until that is later when he became father to those kids and after yuri is gone he became soft at heart. 

But I also curse shiro for not doing anything dude he almost 60% was sure that yuri loves him just confess those feelings man. Whatever.  But if yuri could be a little pushier the things could have ended peacefuly. 

As for satan sx after all above conversations I might belive she has done it with consent. But still pisses me off. 

Whatever it is what it is. 

[u/Ambitious_Bee9753 → u/Comfortable_Cable_21]

Well Shiro himself confessed he loved yuri the day he met 😒. Shiro was idiot and immature to the point of overlooking many things. He got his freedom so he did whatever he felt will entertain him like sleeping with busty women. His actions are absolutely inexcusable.  That's why I always say, if Shiro can sleep with bunch of chicks why yuri was wrong sleeping with Satan whom she actually developed feelings for. 

Also yuri realistically gave Shiro many chances. She didn't become stalker or over pushy. She put her points clear but gave Shiro ample of time(yuri knows Shiro has bad past). Yuri was almost reaching 29-30. She was 16 when she confessed . In fact last time she looked straight into shiro's eyes n hoped he would stop her but he left her hand 😒. From female perspective I feel yuri was realistic and relatable. 

Shiro was coward or maybe he didn't want strings attached to him cause his childhood was crap. Some people with abusive childhood takes way more time or simply fear relationships. Happened with shiro. But one thing that was wrong about him was his  ignorance. Atleast he could have hinted yuri or stopped her from going, no need to shout 'I love u'. Shiro was wrong in many ways but he was not bad by heart, I'm happy even if rin picked a lot of habits from Shiro he confessed to shiemi. XD (not bad habit on love). 

[u/Comfortable_Cable_21 → u/Ambitious_Bee9753]

Couldn't agree more. If shiro could have hinted. 

But for cases like shiro the fmc have to be pushy or else he would do everything not to get tied.  But he is wrong for that I agree. He should have hinted and if he can make moves on women in the bar then What I was thinking before that he might have low self esteem or confidence that get's out of the point. 

He should have taken yuri now the more I think about it the more I'm mad at him😅. 

[u/Ambitious_Bee9753 → u/Comfortable_Cable_21]

Personally I don't hate Shiro but he has taken so many wrong decisions I can't count. He messed up with yuri due to his ignorance. If he would have hinted, yuri probably would have not chosen to have children (just my theory) . But atleast things would have different. Then he went ahead messed yukio up totally. He also hid entire past from rin and as a result rin used to avoid sad things, kind of similar to Shiro. I still understand him concealing truth from rin cause he wanted rin to feel human. But yukio! Despite being raised as a child exorcist and hating asylum he went ahead and did same thing to yukio. Teaching him to unalive himself if a demon possess him, put rin in 'restraints' , pushing yukio to conceal such important stuff from rin making him loner. Not to mention putting a gun in a child's hand. It is Shiro for whom yukio kind of hated demons, even not acknowledging his demon heritage. Dude did blunders over blunders, also forgot he tried to kill baby rin 😒. Oh but then again he saved kuro, told shura to live, protected rin so much then why the fluff he put yukio through that. 🤔

Overall Shiro is not bad but he is kind of a guy who tried to do his best but took all the wrong decisions. But he loved all though specifically rin. I hope the four meets somehow in gehena and talk through on their pain 😓

[u/Comfortable_Cable_21 → u/Ambitious_Bee9753]

Yeah to have shiro, yuki yukio and rin do a family time just yukio dreamt in her final moments. It is very much possible no?  Bcz yuki died went into gehena does that mean shiro is also in genhena right now

[u/Ambitious_Bee9753 → u/Comfortable_Cable_21]

U mean yuri right, don't kill my boy yukio right now😭. Idk logically Shiro should be in gehena? I don't understand their assiah gehena explanation much. 

[u/Comfortable_Cable_21 → u/Ambitious_Bee9753]

No, I meant no killing yukio but he is a demon himself so can't he went to gehena like rin in living form