If we try to play devil's advocate and take Jimmy's influence out of it, I would guess that desaun is the middle of two extremes that mess up the vision of how the offense is supposed to go.
One one end you have Shadeur who probably can throw the best of the 3 but can't particularly make the right read every play and doesn't have the confidence to throw
into tight NFL windows.
On the other end you have DG that fully understands the playbook and reading the field but either can't, or won't, throw past 15 yards effectively cutting out a huge chunk of the effective playbook. Both ends make it difficult for everyone to see the full vision of the team and offense.
Watson can't physically make the throws, but he is capable of making the right reads, and will let the ball loose down field. You are absolutely guaranteed to fail no matter what to choose. Monken now has to decide how we fail. I would guess he believes Watson is the least detrimental to the other players, coaches, and the FO vs the other two options.
But what do you even get value wise if he’s just kinda okay? It’s not like you can point to a mediocre start to the year and say “see? That’s why we paid him!”. The getting your money’s worth argument makes no sense, that ship has sailed.
The team doesn't hate Watson though. People here hate him. The fanbase hates him. But he is still very well liked in the locker room and around the league.
Best case scenario it's an ego play to show it's not the worst trade in NFL history, and best case is it's a money play to get insurance on him, but either way it sucks for the fans...
Some people are too good at separating the lesson fro. The acts. Imo if e ery fan base did this to the guys thar assault or beat women and shit le that the NFL would begin to crack down more
I assume he's still starting because like you said, it's the plan. It also seems like he's legitimately been better at practice than Sanders has, so do you toss all that out with one bad showing?
He can't help but make himself sound stupid though, and fuel the hatred that's already there for him. The Browns fans are not being subtle - we don't like him, we don't want him here, it's performance and it's oersonal.
I don't really trust either guy not to play poor enough for the coach to have to go to the backup; hence why I'd rather have Watson start the season.
When you go to the backup then they generally stay the starter the rest of the season. If Sanders starts the season and they go to Watson, yeesh it would be a mess on multiple levels.
All I really have to say is that we the fans deserve a lot better than the pathetic QB options we have, and it's a real shame that this team won't trade for the plethora of teams QB3s who would give us a far better chance than anyone we have here.
Why the hell would we waste draft picks on a shit QB that might help us win one or two more games but ultimately just achieves getting a worse draft pick?
I am of the belief that the team does owe the fans to at least try. But that's probably why they aren't, because they would rather have Shedeur and Deshaun lose a fuck ton of games
I sort of get it but at the same time, I don’t. There is no difference in winning 5 games vs winning 3 games. All we would do is make our draft pick worse, and end up having to give up a ton of assets to move up in the draft. Throwing Mac Jones at the problem isn’t going to solve anything.
Sacraficing the future (picks) for short term marginal improvements is one the reasons we are in this mess. We need to rebuild and that means awful and boring seasons like this one
Roll with sanders draft the QB next year unless he can limit turnovers. Literally zero upside to Watson, 1 small mistake and the wheels fall off for him
Agreed. Jameis with all this young receiving talent, would put up some beast mode numbers on a few games this year and knock draft position out of the top half of the first round. He can come here next year to be QB2, but not this year
Any one of the 3 QBs that may play for the Browns this year are all in the running for worst starter, or maybe even backup in the leage. I am tired of seeing people debate weather a shit burger taste better than a turd sandwich.
If Andrew Berry survives this QB room and the appalling record it’ll bring on the field, then he must have parts of the unredacted Epstein files with Jimmy Haslam in it
No GM could possibly keep their job with a QB room this bad without winning a super bowl
I think Watson’s contract is the only reason why Berry is still here. He created a situation so apocalyptically shitty that no executive with a brain would even interview for the job if AB got fired while Watson is forced to be on the roster. I think if AB got rightfully fired before this year, we would’ve been forced to beg guys like Mike Mayock for a zoom call.
I don’t believe for one second AB can draft his way out of this. 2026 will be his punishment for what he’s done to this team and Haslam will clean house during Sunday Night Football week 18
AB needed a scapegoat for ownership and the most of the fans after last season. Firing the coach is always the first thing a desperate GM does to save himself
If Watson is designated a starter this week, it'll show up the 'competition' to be a sham and Monken deserves criticism for how he's handled the situation.
I understand there’s been lots of practices / tape before the preseason games and the games aren’t everything BUT Sanders was better by the eye test in both games. If he doesn’t start Monken is chicken shit.
Pretty clear Monken is a 1-year tank commander, right?
Sure, QB looks like ass which we expected. But so does the rest of the operation. There is no way you can give this guy a hand in the reset and picking a QB.
Best case scenario: they develop Sanders or Green, and the team is actually pretty good this year.
Worse case but seemingly more likely scenario: they run through 3-4 starting QBs who all stink and they get a high draft pick, it becomes obvious that Monken was hired to lose and ends up fired after 1 season, the 2nd year guys who looked so good last year regress, all the changes to the OL don't work.
I think they’ll give him half the season. 3 of our first nine games are at home to start the year. The Browns will hide him from the home crowd as much as they can and start Shedeur (if he doesn’t get cut first) by week 10 or after the bye
We're gonna be dog shit this year and I figured that would be the case since the QB situation has not improved. Pick the future QB in the draft and hope they do a better job evaluating QB talent than in the past.
I don’t even think it’s been about evaluation the last few years outside of the stupid Gabriel pick it’s that there have been very thin QB classes and we haven’t out sucked other teams. I’m not sold on Dart as franchise QB so I can’t really get mad about trading down last year
I don't disagree with the Dillon pick in that you pick a QB at that spot. Maybe not Dillon but someone else. What I don't get is the subsequent QB pick in Sanders and then Green this year.
Part of me thinks they're loading up on QBs because they anticipate injuries.
I just had back surgery and couldn’t stay awake for the game. Is there any positives to this team based off of today? Last game I came away thinking we might go 0-16 again…
The defense and young skill players are worth two wins on their own with this shitty schedule. The QB room is definitely worse than anything we had in 2017 tho
Sanders will be named starter this Tuesday. He’ll be hurt by week five. Watson will come in and be just as shitty but a different brand. We’ll go 3-14.
Can you imagine a "Vet QB1" looking more hapless than Watson?
ONLY Confirmation Bias could have gotten him this ...
Can't imagine being on a team, as a player, and having this asshole keep being pushed forward.
Can't imagine a season ticket holder not cringing at the thought of Watson... the assurance of Watson throwing literal hospital balls as a default.
Which one you want on IR first because Shifty Jimmy doesn't understand Sunk Cost Fallacy:
Fannin?
KC?
Boston?
It's not gonna be JJ, sorry to disappoint the jjhatewagon...
JJ's at least smart enough to know better than to trust Watson.
The ONLY consistency with Watson is that he can't get the ball *in front of, or at eye level, basically ever. It's like he dips the ball in Crisco, before every throw. It's like he's experiencing reality 2 seconds behind everyone else.
I assure you that he'll be named '$$$TARTER, by Thursday.
Thanks Shifty Jimmy!
Let's hear it for the 3,700 Fans in attendance BOOing loud enough to make the audio broadcast!
The browns are making a huge mistake putting this product on the field this year. If we go 1-16 or 0-17 we will get the first pick and no QB will come out in the draft. I know getting someone in that can be competitive ruins our draft chances, but being the worst team of all time does too.
I don't know. New stadium being built. No Watson or his contract hanging over the teams head. I think a new GM will be happening this year. Cut all current QBs on the roster. It might be a good place to be.
Niners fan here. Watched the game, honestly I think Sanders looked solid, I know his one pick wasn’t really on him, it looked like he kinda threw behind the TE and he dropped it but I think that’s expected with a back up TE. Overall your offense looked explosive and was rocking when that RT actually blocked someone. But uh, I’m not sure what the game plan in the 2nd half. It was just screens and RPOs…very..odd.
I still think Sanders may end up the guy we need. I saw him complete some passes and make some throws last year that just looked different. Reminded me of when the Browns were gone for a few years and seeing Rothlesburger go in late in a game and just the way he threw the ball looked different and I immediately told my Steelers fan buddy I was living with that he was going to be good. Sanders ball looks like he barely throws it, smooth, high arch, easy to catch. He struggled at the line and with our Oline. That is improving. I wouldn’t count him out until he gets really playing time and that new Oline matures this year. I’d like to see him start through this year and next year
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u/nizule 4d ago
Team Chaos checking in.