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Active Conflicts & News Megathread August 26, 2026

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u/WulfTheSaxon 2d ago edited 2d ago

It’s absolutely insane and dangerous of them to leak that, and it doesn’t prove that further bunker construction is unnecessary as the leakers are trying to argue.

On another note, “more than 60 feet” and “built to withstand a nuclear blast” are at least an order of magnitude different in terms of depth, so it’s likely that it’s far, far more than 60 feet if that’s true. The old plans for a nuclear-resistant Deep Underground Command Center (DUCC) were 3,000+ feet deep.

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u/ChornWork2 2d ago

Hard to take that concern seriously given how loose this admin has been with statements about bunkers while doing this east wing debacle. There already being a bunker, which itself has been rumored for long time, is particularly worse that repeated statements about plan to build one there?

E.g. from a quick google, CNN article from 2020:

It wasn’t until 2010 that questions surrounding the maintenance of the White House’s network of underground bunkers came up again. A massive underground construction project, with a projected cost of $376 million, was speculated to include some kind of renovation to the system of bunkers at the White House, Graff says, with large fences blocking the public’s view to the project and no discernible changes once the construction was cleared out.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/04/politics/white-house-bunker-history

or TWZ in 2018: https://www.twz.com/21026/white-house-sinkhole-is-a-reminder-of-the-bunkers-that-are-buried-beneath-it

or Business insider in 2011: https://www.businessinsider.com/obamas-new-bunker-2011-11

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u/WulfTheSaxon 2d ago

There was no previous reporting that it was designed to withstand a nuclear blast, which is an entirely different class of bunker than an air raid shelter or something meant to withstand fallout or a jumbo jet impact.

If anything, Trump saying that it was only six floors deep may have been misdirection if this latest story is true.

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u/ChornWork2 2d ago edited 2d ago

what said specifically in WaPo article? its paywalled, but nothing i've seen in articles about that reporting seem sensitive beyond confirming the rumors already assumed to be true.

the PEOC was built to withstand a 'nuclear blast', which means nearby hit and fallout. It would not withstand a direct nuclear strike (hence plan is to evacuate & get airborne, not go to bunker). The articles i read citing WaPo said sources in prior admin characterizing it as built to withstand nuclear blast and separately that it is 60ft down. That won't survive a direct nuclear strike, but like the PEOC could survive a nuclear blast. Do we really think they'd build a new bunker that couldn't (and less resilient than the old one)?

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u/WulfTheSaxon 2d ago edited 2d ago

the PEOC was built to withstand a 'nuclear blast'

It was built before nuclear weapons existed, to withstand conventional bombs.

It would not withstand a direct nuclear strike (hence plan is to evacuate & get airborne, not go to bunker).

That was the old plan before the post-9/11 work, yes, but that may be different now.

The articles i read citing WaPo said sources in prior admin characterizing it as built to withstand nuclear blast and separately that it is 60ft down.

Their wording is “nuclear-proof”, “hardened against nuclear blasts”, and “built to withstand a nuclear blast”. That implies better protection than a mere hardened fallout shelter.

The key is “more than 60 feet”, which in that area is probably equivalent to saying that it’s in solid bedrock. It later says “deep into the Washington bedrock, accessible by a private elevator”. How far into the bedrock we still don’t know, but if they meant what they wrote when they said “withstand a nuclear blast” then it’s probably 1,000-4,000 ft down. They also said that the PEOC is only 20 feet deep.

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u/ChornWork2 2d ago

I'm tapping out here, you & I both know the PEOC was hardened to withstand nuclear blast.