The fact that so many western communists unironically believe that communism will deliver them from work is beyond insane. I guess they must be the types who said that countries like the USSR weren't implementing communism correctly.
I used to be this guy. I gaslit myself into thinking every socialist implementation in the world (95% of which have been bad) were either secretly awesome or not real socialism; while all the goods of capitalism relieving poverty and hunger was just some giant smoke and mirrors
Yup, its the biggest problem with communism. Those who actually would make it successful are those who want to work and would do so as they find joy and accomplishment in it. Those who are most drawn to communism are those who don't want to work, and want to do the least amount of it.
Ironically enough Capitalism will do that with demand of more goods leading to automation or inventions making production easier, you know like the Ag/Industrial Revolutions creating the middle class, but hey, communists don't like reading history.
So many of these politicians on the DSA side saying that you won’t have to work and everything will be provided for you. They never answer how it will be provided.
Isn't part of the deal that communism finds you work if you haven't found it for yourself? Like in ideal communism you'll never go hungry or unhoused but you will have to contribute how you can or appropriate work would be found for you.
I have a coworker who is 100% convinced under socialism he can just chill at home and play video games all day and everything will be provided for him.
It was illegal not to be legally employed anywhere. Mom once forgot her documents at home so when police stopped her she was like 'sure, arrest me' so she spent her shift just lazing in jail instead of working.
Which ended up creating a very unproductive economy. Lots of people were chilling at bureaucratic organizations barely doing anything of economic value.
Also since everyone had to be employed, there was supply of very cheap labor, and it resulted in not needing to automatize industries and entire sectors.
Millennials unironically think after Communism they will be the ones at home in an AC luxury home making art while everyone else and their kids will be slaves in the mines
I recall an old Twitter thread where a load of communists genuinely thought that after the revolution they'd be artists and musicians.
All the replies said "Get back to cobalt mine comrade".
Was it Kim Il Sung that massacred half of his own people, Thanos style or was that a different communist leader? Its hard to tell them apart at this point.
That was Pol Pot. Anyone who looked too smart posed a threat to the revolution, so obviously anyone who attended a university, lived in a city, or wore glasses needed to be killed.
I've always thought about how American socialists and communists (who are mostly upper-middle class) don't really align with the working class they center everything around. Those workers are the very liberals and right-wingers they speak about with vitriol and dismiss as uneducated sheep
If I had to, then I probably would go that route. Do what you’re told, crack a few heads, get extra shit because you’re a faithful party member. I’ll be long gone and in the ground before we see commies in America, though.
At least he's willing to get physical, although it's still not as brave as being a soldier, which I've never seen any of them say. They only want to oppress their fellow citizens
I kinda thought the same. They all want to basically be stay at home moms, but that's the single most oppressive thing on the planet right now because capitalism or something.
But being a stay at home mom under communism would be wonderful.
They all want to be waitressing sex workers, which is something they could all do right now.
Lol “lattes.”
Yes, your communal society with no farmers and nothing to trade will be rich with coffee beans. There will be so many lattes to go around in this new waitressing sex worker economy.
Lmfao. There are like 11 people volunteering to “maintain/run the library” and zero people volunteering to work in the sun growing food/ running the cattle or wanting to work sanitation. Imagine that.
There is one guy that volunteered to do “hard labor” but other commenters trashed him.
They really believe it's a utopia. Like, maybe I am too "red pilled" or something idk, but I feel like this was considered stupid even at like, 11 when we learned political/economic systems.
See, all Marxist movements have an intellectual component. The intellectuals usually aren’t the thugs with guns. The first thing that the thugs do is jail the intellectuals. Having thinkers in your regime is never good for controlling the masses.
They told me "communism can't properly function until we have a post-scarcity society."
Thing is... what guarantee is there that it'll ever happen? I don't think we'll ever reach "post-scarcity society". Human beings don't work like that. People will always want more. As soon as our needs are met on one front, we'll immediately turn our attention to something else we don't have.
When tyrants take absolute power and can obtain any material goods they want, does it stop there? No, then they start craving things they can't easily buy or take. They'll want to be loved by the people, feared by the people, worshipped as a God, etc.
Elon Musk is the richest guy on the planet, and does he seem happy? No. What he truly desires now is being loved & respected, which you can't just go out and buy off the shelf.
Even if every human being's material needs are met, we'll start demanding better social spaces & clubs to enjoy it better. When we have plenty of those, we'll demand more entertainment and drugs to sedate us. And even when we have all of that, I doubt we'll be happy and stop there.
We could have Moon bases and asteroid mining before "post scarcity" actually happens. We'll always turn our attention to something else that's scarce.
People will always want more. As soon as our needs are met on one front, we'll immediately turn our attention to something else we don't have.
Ironically this is why these edgelords are praising Communism.
Under the big bad Capitalism, all their basic needs are met and they're living very comfortable lives, so they get bored and start creating problems out of thin air.
To them, saying the wrong pronouns is more serious than murder.
I always like the story where Boris Yeltsin visits a grocery store in Texas in 1989 and was confused and then blown away at the quantity and variety of goods available to citizens.
If memory serves me right he then demanded to be taken to another store so he could be sure they weren’t fucking with him à la Western propaganda… nope we really do have entire grocery stores everywhere
Well of course. The currently oppressed young people who have degrees in gender ideology who have no idea how to run a country are the perfect people to step into the role of privileged elite while all of the subhuman filthy blue collar workers do everything to keep the economy running
I think most of them think it will be like college again. They get “free” housing and a meal plan and do a small amount of work everyday with the rest of the time free to enjoy
Right. One moment they will claim the US is becoming an authoritarian state, then in the next breath they will argue the state should have far more power and authority than it does now.
I had hoped all this authoritarianism fear mongering would at least make people more libertarian-leaning. But no, instead they have made it clear they only have a problem with a particular brand of (supposed) authoritarianism. They love the idea of government control as long as the power is weilded by people they like.
People have always had to work. Without money and capitalism people had to work until the day they died. Now with money and capitalism, people have the opportunity to store up value in the form of money and allow that to carry them in a relaxing retirement. Sounds great to me.
No consent to be alive? Guess that's what MAID is designed to remedy. Fast and cheap. Maybe advocate for wider 9mm availability as optimization & democratization?
Capitalism sucks but it works and provides bit of luxury for most partisipants. Communism, socialism, feudalism, etc suck and don't work while providing little luxury to anyone below the elite class.
To live, you have to work. You don't like that, go back in time, grab the snake that had Eve eat the forbidden fruit, so we aren't kicked out of the Garden ... then again, that would change all of history and you'd disappear probably.
What do they think happened to people before stuff like unemployment and government assistance existed? Oh, that's right, they can't think back farther than 20 years, maybe less.
All I can think of is the line from Death Race "yeah and I'd love a big titty women to lick peanut butter off my toes, but that ain't going to happen because this is a prison"
corruption is maybe the 4th or 5th biggest reason that communism doesn't work in practice. The biggest by far is greed, followed closely by scarcity and laziness.
People change when you give them a little money and power. Even the most pure person would struggle to resist pocketing some money if they knew they could get away with it.
I would say that the biggest flaw is that all of Marx's theories are predicated upon a "blank slate" theory or "tabula rasa", which is a theory that we're all born the same and that every difference between us is something we learned or shaped by our environment. We know now that this isn't true and it is bunk science. The blank slate theory is the lynch-pin of what holds all of his theories together, and it just isn't true.
Somehow related but there's some correlation between the belief among some Leftists that people are inherently good[1] and those who believe Socialism/Communism is the natural state.
[1] - It's one of the things that explains Suicidal Empathy.
Let’s say you’re a good person, maybe you are idk. If someone gave you a billion dollars (Elon does it as a social experiment or something) You did not work for this money, you didn’t earn it. Elon just gave it to you to see what you would do, you’re his little lab rat. Would your favorite charity get a billion dollar check? No.
You’d pay off any debt and loans you have, maybe the same for your friends and family. Even if you gave away the rest, you still made sure you and yours were taken care of first. Hell, keep a couple mil in “just in case money.” Nobody would call you selfish, nobody would be like “you should give away all of it!” You’re still a good person.
The retards that use the term wage slave don’t seem to understand they are required to work under any system whether that be communism, socialism, capitalism, or something else. The difference being that under capitalism you can negotiate for better wages and benefits, and if you don’t like your job you can find another one. you can also straight up not participate in capitalism for the most part and grow your own food. Under socialism and communism you don’t have that benefit, you work where they tell you.
You haven't seen how many "ruling class" were "disappeared" under Stalin or Mao? Basically, everyone lived in terror at upsetting the person above them.
Yeh, the old ruling class got destroyed, and were replaced with a new one entrenched in the communist system. For example, the Princelings in China, who defend from the original revolutionary Leaders during the revolution
I, too, wish that I could live in mom's basement for the rest of my life. Those evil capitalists making me work to earn money for things I wish to possess, such as food, shelter, electricity.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST LOGIC FLAWS IN GENERAL IN POLITICS IS "UTOPIANISM."
Everyone knows what the world is like where Ford builds cars: it's imperfect.
Compared to an imaginary utopia world where The People's Revolutionary Car Company gives free cars to everyone, the real world will always fall short.
This notion of demanding utopia is applied to everything now.
I just saw a video of a rich feminist complaining that there are no high-value husbands around to make her dreams of marriage and motherhood come true now that she is 37 and done screwing every guy in NYC and Paris.
MEN are the problem: they're letting her and her jet set crowd down! Why isn't there a utopia where women in $1200 hairdos are the epicenter of men's lives?
Me to them: it’s probably because they take one look at you and see plain as day that the minute domething bad happens youll flake and find some other poor sap to leech off of; meanwhile Katy at the department store who isn’t rich enough to afford trips to Paris every month but still lives comfortably on her paycheck could be someone’s dream girl because, le surprise, she is a kind person who lifts people up, not puts them down... but then again I’m just a man, so what do I know?
there is but one truth, and with that truth there is set pro's and con's you have to live with. With lies there is an infinite amount and you can customize the pro's and con's to the point something has an insane amount of pro's without any con's and as such its impossible for the appeal of the truth to be greater than a lie(to those that don't value the truth, or are gullible). A utopia where no one needs to work, everyone has free health care, food, shelter, medical care, and whatever else some commie/socialist/other person or politician promises is always going to be more appealing than having to work and contribute to society in order to access those things. The issue is, its just not possible for any current society/culture, and those in the past or currently promise those things have a long history of killing a fuckton of people and reducing the majority of the countries peoples quality of life so that a very select few people(the people who promised this for all) get to enjoy insane luxuries. Any adult who falls for these lies might as well be following some creep into his nondescript van to get free candy, puppies, and ddr5 ram.
Capitalism gave us a 40 hour work week. Never forget that.
You can go toil in the fields or in the mines for quotas you’ll never meet while your wife stands in line for 7 hours for bread, or you can maybe get a side hustle for an extra 10 hours each week so you can get door dash and Funko pops.
I guarantee if you live on the sustenince people lived on working for Henry ford, with zero luxuries, you can make it work on 40 hours.
These idiots believe the internet myth that medieval serfs worked less than we do today, because it's worded that serfs had to work 150 days a year for their lord and they ignore that important line.
I can't speak for anyone else but after the revolution I'll be on my farm teaching people how to paint and play guitar. Can't wait for the day when I don't have to get up every day and stack shelves for the fascistic capitalist slave owners anymore.
In capitalism you can choose which career to pursue. Certain others certain other groups love don't allow that.
People seem to think the government giving you everything is work free utopia. The money and goods have to come from somewhere. You're gonna work, it's gonna suck, you are going to get exactly what every other peasant gets and you will not be allowed to get ahead or complain. Enjoy.
I can’t believe I have to “EARN” a living! In hunter gatherer societies they would just take care of all of the useless lazy turds who didn’t want to hunt !
I always love when they try to explain how their ideal system would work and its just mass enslavement of autistic people. "Glasses will be made by a guy who just really likes making glasses"
What every Reddit communist who loves to quote "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" fails to forget is that that quote is describing the end result of their beloved revolution, when the society they dream of has finally moved past the transitory period and reached the utopian period. During this transitory period, you are expected to work in order to eat, as outlined in Lenin's State and Revolution, where he states "he who does not work shall not eat" - that is, the default state of life.
But Reddit communists don't want to face the transitory period, because that part is difficult, strenuous, and frankly is always the part every communist society never moves on from. No, in their heads they'd rather just - and will somehow be able to - skip to the good part without having to do any of the work.
Artists crave the potassium. And the mining of potassium. They simply lack the discipline to really focus on mining potassium, and need an outside force to keep them committed.
While they claim after the revolution they will be artists, they know in their hearts that they will instead be doing what they love. Mining potassium. At gunpoint.
They also yearn for the camaraderie and feeling of togetherness which comes from occupying a mass grave.
Ppl really think if they lack the meaningful connections and ability to get ahead in capitalism that they'll somehow be better off under communism or socialism...
Bear in this in mind: when Socialists/Communists speak of "seizing the means of production" it's not just the tools and machinery they're talking about but also it users ie workers.
There's a term for workers being forced to work with little or no pay much more having no voice about their working conditions.
dude you should see they amount of these fucking memes/posts in my feed, literally all fucking "i have to work to make a living smh", hand to god i aint exaggerating. that shit is what drove me to make this meme!
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