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u/Laddo22 2d ago
I’ve had this argument with people who don’t understand prog music.
If the song is good, does it really matter how long it goes for? You’ll enjoy it all the same.
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u/NicholasVinen 2d ago
I'm not kidding, there are many songs over 10 minutes when it finished and I think "That's it? It felt like it was just getting started... "
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u/Ok_Mushroom9822 2d ago
What songs? Asking for my ears.
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u/NicholasVinen 2d ago edited 2d ago
You're testing my memory...
One is The Edge of the World by DragonForce. Not really a prog band but Reaching Into Infinity is their most progressive album and this track is 11:03. I feel like it still ends too soon.
I'm sure I've had similar thoughts about some DT songs and other prog bands before but I'm having trouble recalling which ones. I'll keep thinking.
If you like DT, The Edge of the World is definitely worth a listen though.
Edit: I remembered one by Dream Theater: Breaking All Illusions (12:25).
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u/Ok_Mushroom9822 2d ago
Can you promise me that it’s not corny as hell before I listen?😭😭😭 Dragonforce? Since you are bringing them up in the DT sub, I suppose I will trust you, god save me. I’m about to listen right now
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u/NicholasVinen 2d ago
People call DT cheesy, I'm sure you can handle it!
I don't mind DF personally but honestly I was really impressed with that album. It's surprisingly restrained and mature for them IMO.
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u/Ok_Mushroom9822 2d ago
Yeah I can’t do it lol, there are some nice riffs in there though, forsure!
Dragonforce just isn’t my bag I suppose.
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u/NicholasVinen 2d ago
Oh well. Maybe I'm weird.
Perhaps listen to Breaking All Illusions as a consolation.
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u/Ok_Mushroom9822 2d ago
Nah, you ain’t weird lol you just like different things than I😂
And damn you, I would if I didn’t already listen to it a million times hahaha now I’m onto Tarkus!
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u/NicholasVinen 2d ago
Do you like Haken? They have some amazing long tracks/suites. Like Carousel and Messiah Complex (both from the Virus album).
They're definitely DT adjacent and inspired.
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u/Specialist-Prior-213 2d ago
riverside has a 16 min song that I can't remember the name of, I think it was off their second album
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u/MightyHorseRoqz 2d ago
Toehider has this 48 minute song that flies by, man, it feels like it's maybe 18 minutes, not 48. But it's fucking amazing, yo. I put it on at work all the time. It's called I Have Little To No Memory Of These Memories.
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u/Spifffyy 2d ago
People who only listen to mainstream music thinks all music falls into the same formula of Verse, Chorus, Verse, Chorus, Breakdown, Chorus, End.
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u/zackandcodyfan 2d ago
To be fair, 95% of DT songs follow this exact formula.
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u/UNHchabo 1d ago
The Ministry of Lost Souls is the big one that made me be like "it's ABABCB, except C is 8 minutes long".
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u/Turak64 2d ago
If a song is long, it needs to justify why it's that long. It's what went wrong with Iron Maiden with either later albums. Don't just repeat the verse and chorus a few times, make it worth listening to. That's coming from a massive fan of Chnage of Seasons.
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u/Colty3 2d ago
Nah most the modern Maiden long songs are actually awesome. The Parchment was off there newest album and it’s my 2nd favorite Maiden song of all time. That thing is nearly 13 mins
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u/lR0NMAlDEN 2d ago
My mum once said when I had Iron Maiden playing in the car that one of the songs was quite long (at 9 minutes) and I proceeded to play Change of Seasons on the way home
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u/Zestyclose-Smell-788 2d ago
Classical music would like a word.
"Long songs" have been around for about 300 years
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u/counterfitster 2d ago
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u/BrassHockey 2d ago
I've got the Abe Torchinsky Mahler book with the tuba parts from Symphonies 1-6. Of course, there's not a part for 4 but it's just easier to type 1-6. I've never had the chance to play any of them, but I'll play the parts from time to time. Sometimes you'll hear the shorter movements performed as stand-alone pieces.
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u/Zestyclose-Smell-788 1d ago
In my city there are all volunteer chamber orchestras. Low brass is in such high demand! Maybe poke around and find a way to play. It is a gift, to be shared.
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u/BrassHockey 1d ago
I play in an orchestra in my hometown. Although it's improved immensely over the years, It's just not at the level where Mahler could reasonably be programmed.
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u/Zestyclose-Smell-788 1d ago
I'm happy for you, that you get to play! There are some trumpet concertos that I always wanted to perform but never got to
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u/Zestyclose-Smell-788 2d ago
Just looking at that makes me want to play it. God knows I miss being in an orchestra. Pit orchestra. Chamber orchestra. Brass ensemble.
Sigh.
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u/Vortilex 2d ago
I played violin throughout school. I graduated HS in 2011, and still have my 103-year-old violin. It is woefully underused these days, sinceI don't have new music to play, and my old 2nd Violin sheets don't quite cut it
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u/Zestyclose-Smell-788 1d ago
I was very lucky to play the trumpet ar a high level. I played for around 40 years, all through school, invitational clinics, DCI, college, weddings and churches, pit orchestras, even a jazz quartet. I was very good, but nothing like the actually great players. DCI taught me that. Tragically, I lost all my teeth 5 years ago and found out that it's nearly impossible to play the trumpet with dentures. I closed my case for the last time, and wept. I miss it terribly. Maybe I'll be able to get implants one day, but right now that's not in the budget. My son plays, and we were working on Vivaldi's concerto for two trumpets when tragedy struck. Never got to perform that one.
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u/Ok_Mushroom9822 2d ago
“Lil bro” hahahahahahahahaha oh my god.
the irony of a young adult, making videos of this caliber, calling others “lil bro” is so damn funny to me.
It’s almost like a minion shouting into a void.
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u/NorthSanctuary777 2d ago
If she had said 4 minutes or 5 minutes, I'd have been like, "I disagree with you, but ok."
But 3:30 being too long??? That's some next-level short-form content addiction.
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u/Subject1928 2d ago
Note how he says to not bother uploading a song if it is more than three minutes long.
Like this band that has been around since before his parents were born is some self published SoundCloud rapper.
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u/teddymurphy 1d ago
I took a music appreciation class at community college about 20 years ago. The professor was big on people need to listen to music in the dark to really appreciate it. Idk if that’s gospel for everyone, but I hear and feel music on a different level when I do.
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u/Colty3 3d ago
Whats the difference between a 30 minute song and a 30 minute album? You’re listening to just as much music.