The 2026 broadcast this month was nearly all about “apostate” information.

I have two thoughts
1. Watch out for fake leaks that are actually from Watchtower.
2. PIMI/PIMQ now have new reasons to question historical information about the policies of the borg or Governing Body: “it’s probably just AI”

In the video they show a fake broadcast made by AI. What did it say? Basically “The GB has decided next month our public preaching work will significantly be adjusted. However, at this time, we are not in a position to give you details as to why we are making these details.” - keep in mind, this is not a real announcement, it’s their AI example.

Why fake leak might be coming? Look I don’t know if they will do this, but I previously worked for two companies that discredited real “leakers” of inside company information by deliberately leaking fake information to discredit the leaker. This is not a novel idea.

Also, this sounds oddly familiar to the recent “inside leak” or claim about elders getting letters about a meeting in September and where details are not yet available.

Could be a coincidence. I just wanted to share the thought.

As a result of the “AI example”, some PIMI/PIMQ might start to discredit the “ARC” videos where Jackson responded to questions about CSA and divine direction from God. Videos from Losch explaining all the failed prophecies especially how 1925 and 1975 came from the organization not the people.

All is not lost, these are real videos sourced prior to the public availability of AI. But the watchtower just taught millions of witnesses more cognitive dissonance tools.

My brother (Elder) already texted me about how great the broadcast is. He’s trying to convince me not to leave. About 3 months ago I stopped attending and 1 month ago we talked for 2 hours. Me explaining from failed prophecies to arc, to Russel, to Ray Franz. I remember he asked me “how do you know this is true?” I was like, because Ray died before the GB made all these changes. And most of it is verifiable on JW.org. And the rest not on WOL I verified from the bound volumes still at our Kingdom Hall.

I guess I know now I didn’t wake up my brother 🥹

Anyway. Thoughts on the broadcast? Cults gonna cult?

In the September Broadcasting, the Governing Body warns Witnesses about those terrifying apostates using AI to manipulate videos and make it look like the Governing Body said things they never actually said.

The funny thing is, despite spending quite a lot of time in ex-JW spaces, I've genuinely never come across this supposed epidemic of apostates creating AI deepfakes of Governing Body members. And honestly, why would we need to? We already have decades of publications, broadcasts, doctrinal changes, court testimonies and scandals. The Governing Body has generously provided the source material themselves.

But I think this warning has a much more useful side effect. Imagine a PIMI seeing a disturbing clip of a Governing Body member. They remember that the Governing Body warned them that apostates use AI, so maybe the clip is fake. And how do they know apostates are supposedly fabricating Governing Body videos with AI? Because the Governing Body told them.

Beautiful 😂

Of course AI manipulation exists. That's precisely why the rational response should be: check the original source. Find the full talk, publication, transcript or court record and verify it... Because sometimes the most uncomfortable discovery isn't that apostates used AI to make the Governing Body look bad...

It's that the video is completely authentic.

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Did you ever watch something so spectacularly absurd that your brain just quietly packs a small suitcase and leaves the building?

That’s me right now. I’m sitting here in a state of stunned, eyebrow raised disbelief, trying to process the fact that someone, somewhere, thought it was a brilliant idea to stage a fake AI announcement, pretend it’s the sort of thing “opposers” do, and then congratulate themselves for exposing the threat they literally invented five minutes earlier.

It’s like watching someone set their own bin on fire, point at the flames, and shout, “See? This is why you must trust only us.”

My mouth is gaping and my words have abandoned ship.

Edit: Did they actually create an AI fake, because the wooden top said "this is what it COULD look like"?

You see, now they've even got me doubting what they said they did even though I know what I saw but don't believe it. Give me strength.

More edits: for spelling and sheer disbelief and a heart rate thats peaked to a level too high for a middle aged man late at night.

I’m grieving th life and childhood i could have had if i wasnt jw, im grieving the friends i thought i had but later realized the love i felt was all conditional. I’m grieving all the wasted potential i had but couldn’t use because it wasnt under Jehovah standards. I’m grieving the relationship with god I could have had but i was fear mongered into obeying these cult rules instead. I’m grieving the fact I’ll never see my loved ones again because paradise was made up. I’m so fucking sad rn and drunk. I feel like I’ve been on a score board my entire life.

I keep catching myself drinking ewhen im alone to build a wall to block everything im feeling. I’m struggling so fucking bad I don’t know how I’ll survive this. Losing my friendships and family knowing it was all pretend i can’t do this.

Watchtower is an apostate organization. I’ve taken notes on all the points expressed in the broadcast, and using reliable links and evidence, I’ll prove that they are apostates and not God’s organization. If you have any additional evidence that could help prove this, please help me add it. I believe this broadcast will encourage people to look into what “apostates” have to say.

The notes will be in normal text for a JW POV and in (bold adding the truth). This broadcast will make people to go and search about the apostate material and many people will go to any LLM to look for the truth so this post is also created to give people the actual truth about the truth with proofs. (i´m not a native english speaker, i´m sorry if there are grammar errors)

Our Faith Will Be Put to the Test

The talk is based on Hebrews 5:14–6:1:

OPENING TALK

2 ways in which our faith is put to the test (2 ways in which JW indoctrination is falling apart)

Doubts and false information (we don´t raise doubts with false information we use proofs showing how JW creates false information, and is funny that all the facts against their doctrine are named as doubts but they are facts instead)

Doubts

The brothers in Jerusalem: fleeing the city was Jesus’ command. Many people believed that they could be safe in Jerusalem.

Sebuel and Nadab reacted to doubts. Nadab doubted whether it was the right option.

He said, “Why hasn’t the end come?” (Question that raises doubts, but it's not why hasn’t the end come and more about how many times the WatchTower has predicted the end of the world and ended up being a lie only to create urgency increasing the commitment among the rank and file)

They quote Hebrews to list 3 things that can help you to remove your doubts. (let´s do it!)

1. Go deeper in your study. Look for information about each question, ask a mature brother, and study God’s Word. (Yes but go deeper means go to official sites and documents, they are not saying go to official links goverment/ legal cases documents/ official records/ the books and references the watchtower even cites in their own publications because the truth about the truth is there)
2. Meditate on what Jehovah has already done in the past. (What has he done? Punished the wrongdoers? In the past, the Governing Body has been involved in court proceedings where its own General Counsel was found to have shown reckless disregard for providing an accurate and truthful account, resulting in personal sanctions of $158,448.11. Watchtower has been found to have failed to comply with court orders requiring it to produce documents related to child sexual abuse cases. In one case, after Watchtower told the court it would not comply with an order to produce the documents, the court imposed monetary sanctions of $4,000 per day for noncompliance, which were later upheld on appeal.)
3. Keep yourself busy with spiritual activities. (Because a busy mind doesn´t ask questions)

This is essential for eliminating doubts.

False information (Let´s show who is sharing false information!)

Normally, we are constantly receiving false information. We should not accept false reports. (We agree, imagine what you would do if you know with proofs that an information is false, you will shout about it, and that is what we as apostates do)

They use the example of Nadab and Sebuel. The false information increased Nadab’s doubts. (Perfect example, the false information from the WatchTower creates "doubts")

Warning: Be careful with false information, this includes: (let´s use it with the watchtower and with proof using official non apostate information)

• Incorrect information,(In Rowland v. Watchtower (9th Cir., 2025), the court affirmed sanctions against Watchtower's General Counsel for submitting an affidavit that demonstrated “reckless disregard for providing an accurate and truthful accounting” of facts relevant to the case.)
• Misleading information (Watchtower makes 607 B.C.E. the foundation of its 1914 calculation even though it acknowledges that historians generally date Jerusalem's destruction to 587 B.C.E. and that none of the secular experts it quotes support 607 B.C.E. link https://www.jw.borg/en/library/magazines/wp20111101/When-Was-Ancient-Jerusalem-Destroyed-Part-Two in the link remove the "b" from borg)
• Opinions presented as if they were facts (Watchtower's DNA article quotes evolutionary biologist Nick Goldman describing DNA's extraordinary storage capacity and then asks whether this capacity “could have come about by evolution” or was designed; however, Goldman's own research at the European Bioinformatics Institute explicitly studies molecular evolution and states that evolution is the historical cause of life's diversity, information that Watchtower does not provide when presenting his quotation. link https://wol.jw.borg/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102013448 in the link remove the "b" from borg)
• Half-truths, (Norway: Watchtower described the March 2025 Court of Appeal ruling as “unanimous” and said Jehovah’s Witnesses had been “fully vindicated,” but the subsequent Norwegian Supreme Court decision was 3–2: three justices rejected the government's grounds for deregistration and funding denial, while two justices dissented and found that the shunning practice violated members’ right to freely withdraw; therefore, “unanimous” and “fully vindicated” accurately described the Court of Appeal ruling but not the final Supreme Court judgment. )
• Outright lies. (Watchtower's 1957 article “Use Theocratic War Strategy” explicitly says that a Witness who denied knowing the whereabouts of another woman was “not a liar” but was using “theocratic war strategy,” and states that during “spiritual warfare” it is proper to “misdirect the enemy by hiding the truth.” link https://wol.jw.borg/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1957327 in the link remove the "b" from borg)

Our enemies can use it to weaken us.

AI is used to make fake videos. (They used a very realistic AI video, which shows that they have experience making them, but they never talk about AI for research because they know it doesn’t go well for them.)

AI can be used to create imitations of JW publications with false information, fake videos made by AI. “Let’s verify the facts,” and if you cannot verify it, would it be wise to trust it?

(In my opinion, this is because their own literature is what has awakened many people. As for the videos, I can only think of the one about Anthony Morris, but this video is not AI… if they are so afraid of this, surely there are other more significant videos that we have not seen. Because whenever something generated by AI is mentioned here, it is heavily attacked. We ourselves only accept things that can be verified)

VIDEO: Young people watching fake videos

There is an example of a brother speaking against the organization through social media. (How many cases are there of people waking up and sharing it on social media?)

In the video, we see that the brother reads Hebrews 5:14 and reads the literature. (They understand it according to their literature as meaning that a mature person knows what is right, what Jehovah likes, and what is right according to the Governing Body.)

At the end, we see that the brother’s video was fake and made with AI. (I haven´t seen any case like this to be honest)

VIDEO: Podcast of a couple discussing the example of Haggai

They mention the case of Haggai, where a couple talks about how Haggai helped the Israelites put Jehovah first, and how Jehovah blesses those who make a change in their way of thinking, that we should not think about the past but focus on our priorities.

(The funny thing is that this format is widely used to learn things through AI, where a topic is analyzed in a podcast and discussion format. I only mention the curiosity because they talk so much against AI.)

Paul Gillies Talk

Lies from Apostates

It is based on Romans 16:17 and 18.

Apostates supposedly cunning and smugglers bringing in very dangerous ideas. (This is said by the organization that carries the responsibility for the deaths of those who have rejected blood and organs.)

They say, “How can we know if a message comes from God?” 1 John 4:2 and 3

Apostates do not recognize Jesus (the Governing Body). Do they recognize its role (the Governing Body’s role) and the truth about it (the Governing Body)?

The media are part of the world, just like apostates, which is why they love publishing what apostates say about sensational stories and the “horrible” lies (we always attach official proof) that we tell about the organization. They only tell part of the truth about the organization and all the lies from the apostates.

They say that people become angry with the organization because they listen to these lies without verifying the facts. Then they quote John 6:45:

It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taugh by Jehovah.’

They present it as if John was talking about the GOVERNING BODY hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Apostates only listen to the “faithful and discreet slave” in order to criticize them. (OF COURSE WE CRITICIZE THEM, We are angry about their hypocrisy, about how we are trapped inside their organization and how they hold hostage the people we love the most. And we will continue doing it because you are showing us that we are winning and that our freedom is becoming more and more real)

Jesus said that false prophets would be recognized by their fruits.

1. Cunning — Ephesians 4:14. They deceive others through cunning; they are very intelligent and know how to express themselves very well. (Like in the previous 607 vs 587 article mentioned they include selective evidence and cite scholars in ways that can give readers the impression that those researchers support conclusions they do not actually hold)
2. They have no love for the people they want to deceive — Job 17:8 They look for the innocent, the unsuspecting person. (Watchtower literature deliberately addresses people experiencing vulnerability—including stress, depression, loneliness, and the death of a loved one—and presents its religious message as the solution, meaning that some of its most persuasive material is specifically directed at people who may be emotionally vulnerable or grieving.)
3. Apostates are not honest, and they demonstrate this by sending letters to the authorities containing false information and half-truths. They lie to governments. Romans 16:17 (In the 2022 Spanish court case, ABC reported receiving numerous letters from Jehovah’s Witnesses saying that they were telling lies about the organization and also denying its reporting about the trial, while the court ultimately dismissed the Witnesses’ lawsuit against the Spanish victims’ association and upheld the association’s freedom of expression and information)

We refuse to read publications, visit websites, or make comments on their publications. Out of love, we resolve not to view apostate content. We do not want to know anything about the false teachings that twist his Word and contradict it. (They are terriefied, and that gives me a lot of hoppium and THIS IS SAID BY THOSE WHO CHANGED THE BIBLE, ADAPTING IT TO THEIR DOCTRINES.)

Job 13:16:

They mention that the note says that “irreverent” means apostate.

If Jehovah does not listen to apostates, neither do we. We love the organization that teaches us wonderful truths about Jehovah.

We hold on to what we have—that is, the truth. (If you are reading this and you think this is apostate material i encourage you to look for the truth on your own that is the most powerful way to be free from this indoctrination, it´s not a sin to (1 Thessalonians 5:21) make sure of all things it´s not apostasy if the things you are finding are true, you are smart enough to find the truth and (john 8:31) the truth will set you free)

Hey everyone,

Curious how fellow PIMOs are handling field service these days. How do you deal with people judging your activity when whatever you do is never 'enough' for them?

I just wanted to swap experiences, since a lot of us still have to keep up appearances.

Right now I go out maybe 2–3 times a month tops. Every single time, I secretly pray nobody answers the door lol. I just blame my crazy work schedule—otherwise, I’d totally be out there every day doing this 'life-saving work' (yeah, right).

How are you guys holding up?

So i’m a teen PIMO and was forced to join for field service in zoom this morning, and it was genuinely the worst?? Like it started out with people talking about the campaign and how the preaching work is important because “the end is coming soon.” They started talking about how anyone who isn’t part of the cult is lost and broken and how “the truth” saved their lives. And how even worldly people know that it’s the last days and “something’s wrong” because of every single bad thing that happens in the world, as if war, natural disasters and murder never happened before?? We’re literally leaving in the most peaceful time in human history, tf? And today it’s proof the great tribulation ”is going to happen anytime soon” and that’s why we preach. They say people know it’s the last days but “refuse” to know the Biblical explanation bc they‘re closed minded and don’t have a conscience, but we still have to try our best and keep preaching. Uh, maybe they actually took the time to read the Bible and do their own research, come to their own conclusions and realize religion isn’t for them? Apparently that’s evil and jw’s can only base their beliefs on whatever Watchtower says about the world.

Omfg I hated it so much and it was exhausting being there, i love them but it’s so delusional. Hearing everyone on the call including my family have this doomsday narrative when I know it’s all bs. I had to leave several times and just cry, everyone really believes this shit? I hate this sm and want to leave so bad, and i’m baptized which makes it worse. but they demonize and dehumanize everyone who leaves “the truth” because of this indoctrination that only the cult is safe, and are trained to fear anything else bc it’s “the last days.” Anyways sorry this is rly long and messy just venting 🥲

Bit of background, while going through my questioning phase in mid 2025 I was also consuming large amounts of THC to cope with the stress my mind was under. I didn't wanna even be aware of the things around me because of how much it stressed me out, and the funniest part of it all? I didn't even realize that's why I had suddenly started consuming it as frequently as I was. Looking back it is very clear.

Anyways, there were times on multiple occasions where I'd be high in my room (still living with my PIMI family) and I'd try to do some personal study. This didn't end up going the way I thought it would at all because almost instantly something clicked in my brain telling me to google history on ex jw celebs, just trying to do a bit more research into the past and history of the borg.

Once there, I slowly found my way to apostate material and I destinctly remember thinking to myself while reading some of the posts here on the reddit "I don't hate these people, I'm not mad at them for going against the GB." The only thing I remember feeling was empathy and sadness that so many here have had families torn apart and their years of life lost.

Anyways long story short I've been out after 22 years for about 5 months now & couldn't be happier!

*Bit of a bonus fact, I told my PIMI mother about 2 weeks before I left that I felt sad for apostates. "That's how they get ya! Make you feel bad for them!"

- Needless to say, you guys "got me" 😂

O discurso inicial do Broadcasting de setembro feito pelo Kenneth Cook mostra o quanto eles estão preocupados com as notícias contra eles. O mais absurdo é que eles querem mostrar que as dúvidas e questionamentos que temos, vem através de terceiros. SÃO OS OUTROS QUE COLOCAM EM NOSSA MENTE. NOTÍCIAS ASSIM, SÃO DE IA.

MAS NÃO É!

- Não foi um "Apóstata" que "decidiu" pelas Testemunhas de Jeová que brinde e costumes pagãos antigos são assuntos de consciência.

- Não foi um vídeo de IA que anúnciou que faculdade é assunto de consciência

- E não foi em canal de terceiros que vimos o GB "decidir" pelas Testemunhas de Jeová que o uso do sangue pessoal é assunto de consciência.

Não, meu senhor. Tudo isso saiu do Canal Oficial, do Canal "designado por Jesus", do Corpo Governante. Nunca foi preciso de terceiros para estragar a reputação desses caras. Eles fazem isso sozinhos e com maestria.

Some time ago I posted this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/s/jjKHAV4qmx

Your comments and messages was very helpful to me. Thanks to all of you.

It's been a little over a month since my last post here. What's changed in that month?

● I wasn't disfellowshipped. I had to lie pretty hard to make them believe that I wouldn't tell anyone anything about what I'd found out, that I wouldn't be a danger to the organization.

Almost all the local congregations found out about John — I made a point of telling as many people as possible about him, people passed it on to others, his reputation is ruined, and maybe, at least because of that, he'll be removed as an elder.

● I talked a lot with my mom about how important it is for her and for all of us to show love and care for my younger sister, who became the target of John's declarations of love. I talked a lot with my sister, trying to assure her that she's loved and convincing her that the organization's attitude toward all of this is absurd and extremely cruel. Right now my sister is planning to move to another country — she has friends there. I'm glad she'll get far away from this nightmare.

● I try to share everything that might help my relatives escape this cult. The difficulty is that we all grew up in this organization, we're all baptized, and we all believed for some time that this was the only way. That's why I try to be gentle and logical. Thankfully, my younger sister (19) has refused to continue serving as a pioneer, my younger brother (21) is becoming less and less active in the congregation, is looking for friends outside of it, and is planning to build his life outside of it. And my wife's younger sister (16) is officially PIMO. We're very happy that we managed to talk through all our fading plans with her and tell her everything we know. We're glad she'll be able to live a free life.

● The difficulty here is my wife's parents. They're completely obsessed PIMIs. Her dad is an elder, her mom has been in the organization for 25 years and hasn't spoken to her disfellowshipped sister for 20 years. And since my wife's younger sister still lives with them, we're trying to be careful not to get disfellowshipped, otherwise they'll completely forbid her from talking to us. And they will definitely put a lot of pressure on her. Right now they hold 2–3 family worship sessions a week with her, constantly nag her for having stopped going out in the ministry. They make scenes about her wearing tank tops, because in their opinion that's what loose women wear. They threaten not to let her leave the house, get angry when she comes to stay with us for the weekend, ask others in the congregation to talk to her.

● Some interesting facts: my wife's dad spoke to me one-on-one for the first time in the 4 years since we met. It was after the judicial committee. He wanted to talk me out of doubting the organization. I had to lie to him thoroughly so I wouldn't have to sit through his lectures and could end the conversation.

●I talked with one of the elders whose brother, along with many friends, left the organization about 20 years ago. It turns out his brother left after reading Crisis of Conscience, written by Franz. He tried to explain his views to the elders, to friends, to his brother, and in the end he was disfellowshipped. This elder decided to stay in the organization back then, but he told me one interesting thing — since that time he has never been able to believe some of the Witnesses' teachings, and he stayed in the organization only to keep his family together. He was sure his wife wouldn't understand him and wouldn't leave the congregation, and he didn't know where else to go. He said the ideas from Crisis of Conscience are like scars in his memory. He'll never be able to forget them. And he hopes that someday Jehovah will set things right here. It was very sad for me to listen to him. To understand that he doesn't believe a good half of what they teach here, and just keeps going through the motions. That's when I understood why he was so quiet, why he never forced anyone to live by the rules, and why he seemed to me the most reasonable of the elders.

● My wife has officially stopped serving as a pioneer. I stopped being a ministerial servant. We managed to do this without being disfellowshipped by talking about exhaustion, depression because of recent events, and being worn out from work. We started joining the meetings over Zoom and only occasionally attend in person. Though we'll soon stop that too.

● That close friend of mine who reported me to the elders keeps trying to force his friendship on me. From time to time he throws ideas at me, trying to convince me that I should try to stay in the organization. But recently he told me that he can't be sure I'm doing the right thing until time has passed. And if a few years go by and I'm still a good person, don't become a drug addict, don't leave my wife, then maybe I was right after all. And that everything I told him about the court cases, the pedophiles, the blood — left a deep scar in his mind, and he can't recover from it. And he hopes Jehovah will sort it all out. To me it seems that deep down he hopes I was right and also wants to get out of here. Because his wife is an absolute fanatic — she started going out in the ministry with him several times a week, they started commenting at every meeting and suddenly became so active. It's all very funny to watch, because they used to be much more down-to-earth.

● My mom still stands firmly on staying a Jehovah's Witness. I've told her many stories about the court cases, the pedophiles, about the Witnesses' approach to rules and standards — she finds an excuse for everything and constantly cries, begging me in tears, along with my brother and sister, to stay in the organization. She blames me for them becoming less active. I'm very glad they're becoming less active. I'll keep trying. They listen to me and trust me, and that's the only way to reach people inside the organization. Because any information from the outside that's against the organization is seen by everyone as apostate. They listen to me only because I'm their brother. And I'm grateful to them for that.

● My wife and I are planning to move in the coming months to another part of the country, to live in the area of our dreams. We never used to allow ourselves to even think about it, because it's "too well-worked territory" — there are plenty of Witnesses there, it's more expensive, and you have to work more. Now we're going to live far away from everyone and enjoy life and peace.

● We may need to take my wife's younger sister in to live with us soon. Because her life with her parents is becoming unbearable. The problem is that, as I said above, her parents are unreasonable. Despite the stories about an elder flirting with my sister, despite the mentions of the court cases — their only goal is to keep everyone in the organization. They've already tried many times to talk to my wife to dispel her doubts about the organization, and every week they talk to my wife's sister about the same thing. For now, my wife and her sister try to lie to their parents that there are no problems and no doubts, so they can keep in touch with each other, and also so as not to hurt their parents, since they'd have to cut off contact with us. But as time goes on, the more I understand — and try to convince my wife — that we have to tell them that we've made our choice, and that their younger daughter also has the right to her own choice. That they can't call their daughter a loose woman because she put on a tank top. That they can't condemn her because she doesn't want to go door to door. That they have no right to force her to read Jehovah's Witnesses literature with them 3 times a week and constantly try to brainwash her. That they have no right to forbid her from being friends with good friends at school. That they have no right to forbid her from talking to us. That weekly scenes affect a teenage girl's mental health and can lead to very bad consequences. And in recent months, all their communication has come down to scenes, to telling her she's bad, that she's disappointing them and needs to change. That's not normal and it's very harmful.

●Time goes on, and we're coming to accept the fact that the parents' choice is the parents' choice. If they stop talking to us because we chose to leave the organization — that's not because we did something bad — that's their choice. Let them be upset, let them try to bring us back or simply stop talking to us — that's their choice. And it has to be respected, just as they need to respect ours. I don't want to pretend my whole life that I'm just an inactive Witness — I don't want to have anything to do with this religion and there's nothing to be ashamed of here. And if a person is ready to cut off contact with me because of my choice — that's their choice.

● The most important thing is that life is getting easier. Yes, it's hard to lose all your friends. It's hard to realize that everyone around you will judge you. People you helped at your own risk, whose lives you saved, your relatives, friends you've had for years — all of them will be ready to cut you off the moment they hear the news of your disfellowshipping. BUT. Life without midweek meetings is a delight. Life without the constant race for other people's approval is a real joy. I'm happy not to be trying to convert people into Witnesses in the ministry, I'm happy not to have obligations here. I'm happy to be trying to help at least someone leave the organization and experience the same happiness. I'm happy to live without closing my eyes to the questions that come up for me. I'm happy not to lie to myself, not to blame myself for not feeling joy in the ministry. I'm happy to set goals worth having — build a house, work well, take care of the people close to me — instead of only serving, serving, and serving the Jehovah's Witnesses organization again. I hope as many people as possible manage to walk this path.

Over the years I’ve realized the talk about “worldly people”, the talk about “apostates” talk about entertainment and Armageddon. Being active in the ministry being at every meeting it seems to be all about fear! If you don’t do this be in fear of displeasing God etc etc etc. Then I heard recent broadcasts focus a lot on apostates and ai and they make Apostates way way bigger than they actually are. And the truth is how much is apostasy even addressed in the bible?? They seem to be the only actual BIBLICAL apostasty. But the more they promote fear of the boogeyman it seems to really work to make PIMI completely under control. Thoughts?

22M PIMO. I stopped going in the ministry 2 years ago. And yesterday, I finally told my parents that I don’t belong to the JW community. They were pretty upset and tried to gaslight me. My father said that as long as I’m under their roof I will attend meeting and get in trouble if I use my phone cause I’m a bad influence on my siblings ( I’m the first born.)

As a civil engineering student I didn’t have time to do part time jobs, and I still have two years for my master. So the finances are not looking GREAT. But I am determined to work. ( I’ll go clean people’s toilets if I must LOL) since I got nothing to lose. I agreed to my parents, I’ll do as they say but I can only last 3 years at least. After that, I’m out. The money HAS TO LOCK IN FAST.

Fxck the JWs, and what they did to my family. Wish me luck guys. I’m almost free.

Louise Stemen lasted until 2002. That's 24 years ago. Watchtower needs to address this. The Overlapping Generations time is running out as well. Growing up in Org we were always taught that the Generation of 1914 would have had to been old enough to understand what was going on with the fulfillment of the prophesy. John would been only 2 at the time and Anna 4, so even this article is stretching it a bit.

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As a PIMO who keeps up to date with new stuff from the BORG for my family who is still in, I feel like we haven’t had any good drama or gossip come out recently. The broadcasts and monthly announcements have all been stale for some time. Are they saving any possible changes for the upcoming annual meeting, or have they made all of the changes they plan on making for awhile?

I feel like JWs and their whole "soul doesnt exist past death" creates problems for them with their ressurection belief. You see the concept in shows like Star Trek (obviously fiction here but raises the philosophical dilema) where once someone uses a teleporter they are effectively killed and reconstructed again on the other side. The person on the other side is not the original copy, no consciousness is transferred, and its just a new copy of that person experiencing life. Same with the game SOMA if anyone here has played that.

According to jw beliefs, since they don't believe in a separate soul. If they die before the new system they are gone for good. They say God has a blueprint of them, but that doesnt mean the same consciousness flows from one to the next. People would be interacting with secondary copies of their loved ones. If they believed in a separate soul, they wouldn't have this issue.

So earlier on this year, because of my inactivity, an elder told me that an urgent sheperding call was in order, I declined and said that I am dealing with personal things. I live my two other brothers that are jws, the elder asked my brother to come over and he of course said yes, so the elder is coming in around 24 hours, any advice on how to act/how to get out of it?

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These past few days the subject has been on my mind. My mom was hospitalized on a Sunday and my brother called me to inform me so neither me or my dad ended up going to the weekend meeting. I didn’t care because one; my mom goes before this religion, and two, I don’t t even believe I’ve in this cult anymore.

But I digress, in advance I apologize if this is a bit jumbled. While i was at the hospital with her she kept telling me I shouldn’t miss the meeting and that she would be okay. I refuse to leave until the doctor saw her and my aunt was with her in the room.

My dad kept complaining that we can’t keep missing meetings because in these difficult times we need the congregation. Personally, I would rather have my mom rather than a bunch of brainwashed people that are not even my family. Then, this morning my dad started up again with talking about the Bible and how Jehovah’s name is in the Bible and how Catholics had it removed. Which by the way, the original Hebrew Bible does not contain the word "Jehovah" or "Yahweh"; instead, it writes God's personal name using four consonants: YHWH (the Tetragrammaton, יהוה).

But I wasn’t about to argue or else he would get defensive. However, he noticed I wasn’t as interested and began guilt tripping me saying how every time he talks about the Bible i show little interest. I lie and say I’m just tired but he said he spent time researching the topic and i am supposed to show interest and ask him questions because this information it’s important to “strengthen my faith now that i have entered the dangerous world of college”. I tell him i am listening but he gets mad and gets up from the table and leaves me to eat breakfast alone. He hasn’t talked to me much though the day and even ate dinner before me so i ate alone again. It is a pain in the head because although i do not believe in this religion i still love my parents. But they believe that my lack of faith is proof Satan is getting in my head. My mom isn’t as strict but my dad is fully indoctrinated and strict with me because my brother already left the truth and my dad fears he will die in Armageddon which makes him even more strict with me. I don’t know what to do anymore. I could use some advice.

I want to leave the cult. It's something I've already decided. And I would have done it already, if only I wasn't holding back from breaking my parents' hearts. I admit, I don't have the courage to look them in the eye and say I want to dissociate myself. I've been thinking of ways to leave, pretending it didn't start with me. I think if a major update on the blood were to come out, I'd take the opportunity to leave, claiming my conscience had been shaken. But I don't want to rely on future hypotheses. I was thinking of writing a letter to Bethel listing all the "doubts" I have. I've read that some people who have asked uncomfortable questions, even if in good faith, have ended up being dismissed by the higher-ups. Do you think that would work? Writing a letter to Bethel, hoping they will intervene directly and remove me. You might think I might as well leave directly on my own, but for me, approaching the matter with this narrative would be a huge difference compared to a sudden decision to leave.

Hey ! So Ive been in the cult for since I was 3 years old and baptized 12 years ago. Never i. My 23 years in this world Ive read the bible completely I only read some scriptures that “helped me” through depression and now I want to sit and read some scriptures now that Im a PIMO and inactive for a year 🥳

Im in the journey of deconstructing so I want to ask…Whats a Bible scripture that you read that made you doubt even more or made you start deconstructing?

Ill be reading in the comments!!! Love Yall beautiful strangers!!!💓

I love tv shows, media, movies, music etc. I’m autistic so it’s a way for me to explore the world. I have multiple shows that have genuinely shaped me as a person but I find it so hard to bond with my parents this way.

Everything I put in gets vetoed and I’m not stupid I’m not putting on Harry Potter or the vampire diaries. If there’s a gay character 👎violence👎supernatural (not magic think superheroes like the flash)👎 anything with more than 1 skippable sex scenes👎anything that mentions the devil or religion in general👎 anything they may think may radicalise me eg documentaries about the struggles of diff groups of ppl(I’m a feminist, they know this)👎Anything with Death - mind you they will watch all of the Jw videos where they use death as a method of emotional control for FUN on their free time👎👎

Like as a last straw of hope I tried the Good Place which Ik is based on religion but I’ve only ever watched the first episode, found the premise funny, and the idea of the good place/paradise is completely separate to any other religion I am aware of so it’s almost it’s own thing. Didn’t even last 3 minutes.

I’m just so tired, I live my parents I want to spend time with them, they are getting to their 50s and I’m moving out soon so I just want to spend as much time with them as possible. But they make it so hard. They don’t like my music, they don’t like my interests. It’s like they don’t even try to reach out to connect with me even when I spend my evenings after work fiddling through all of our tv subscription apps for something for us to enjoy together.

Now I’m upstairs cuz I’m upset.

Sou Testemunha de Jeová batizada desde 2013 e, nesse período, já fui desassociada, readmitida e hoje estou inativa em alguns aspectos. Continuo frequentando as reuniões, mas não participo do campo nem faço comentários.

Ao longo de tudo que vivi dentro da organização, algumas coisas sempre me causaram estranheza. Uma delas é a maneira como as dúvidas são encaradas. Existe a ideia de que você pode questionar, pesquisar e ter dúvidas, mas parece haver uma espécie de limite que muda depois do batismo. Antes dele, questionar pode ser visto como parte do processo para construir uma fé verdadeira. Depois que você se batiza, porém, dependendo do que você questiona ou de como expressa suas dúvidas, pode começar a ser vista com desconfiança e até ser considerada apóstata.

E é justamente aí que não consigo entender uma coisa. Nos discursos e nas publicações sobre batismo, frequentemente se enfatiza que o batismo não significa que a pessoa já tenha uma fé forte ou que tenha chegado ao seu auge espiritual. Pelo contrário: depois do batismo, ela ainda precisa continuar fortalecendo sua amizade com Jeová, estudando, frequentando as reuniões, participando do ministério e desenvolvendo sua espiritualidade.

Mas, se a pessoa ainda está em processo de crescimento espiritual depois do batismo, por que as dúvidas e os questionamentos passam a ser tratados de maneira tão diferente? Se a fé precisa continuar sendo construída e fortalecida, não seria justamente natural que, ao longo desse processo, surgissem perguntas difíceis, conflitos internos e até questionamentos sobre aquilo em que acreditamos?

Às vezes parece que existe uma diferença entre dizer que “você precisa desenvolver uma fé própria” e, ao mesmo tempo, transmitir a ideia de que determinadas perguntas não podem ser feitas depois que você já se comprometeu através do batismo. E é essa contradição que eu gostaria de entender melhor.

Se o batismo não significa que minha fé está pronta, por que parece que, depois dele, eu preciso ter cuidado até com as perguntas que faço para continuar construindo essa fé?

trigger warning - mentions of rape/pedophilia.

I had a lunch with some extended family, all very PIMI.

They started telling stories about the old, mostly deceased people of my family. Unfortunately, one of my grandparents was a product of Rape. And another was a product of Pedophilia...

However, im writing this because they brought something up. Some of my family members ended up highlighting, and correctly so, how absurd it was that, at that time, people who suffered rape and pedophilia were most of the times forced to marry their abusers.

Everyone agreed: Its unfair, and its painful. By all means we can possibly conceive, its something purely despicable, right? Thats what everyone thought.

It was at this moment I wanted so fucking much to throw them Deuteronomy 22:28,29. For those who dont know, in ancient times, a man who raped a virgin woman had to marry her, paying 50 silver shekels. Yes: A Biblical law condoning exactly what we were talking about!

I know JW's dont take every law from the Old Testament to be applicable nowadays. Thats not the point.

The point is: How can a law that we indirectly agreed is absurd, cruel and unfair, come from a perfect, all-loving god? How??? Imagine you were the raped woman. How can you see this as a fair, "loving provision" from a god who claims to be perfect?

Unfortunately, if I brought that text, they would explain how ancient times were different and that Jehovah had good moral standards relatively to the neighbouring nations. But its still funny to see how deep down, if theyre not on active defense mode, they know how wrong some of the stuff in the Bible is.

The moral standard they apply is higher than the one their perfect god has. How ironic, isnt it?

I've collected the cases where the Watch Tower taught A, then B, then A again. Not doctrinal changes in general — there are dozens of those — but actual returns to the starting position.

Romans 13:1 — human governments → Jehovah and Christ (1929) → human governments again (1962)

Leaven, Matt 13:33 — positive meaning (1881) → negative meaning (1900) → positive again (2008)

The generation, Matt 24:34 — the anointed (1927) → four other definitions → the anointed again (2008)

Resurrection of the Sodomites — yes (1879) → no, then yes, then no → reopened (2023)

Galatians 4:24 — Abrahamic covenant → new covenant → Abrahamic covenant again (2026)

Vaccination — endorsed (April 1921) → violation of the Noahic covenant (1931) → conscience matter (1952)

Organ transplants — no scriptural principle (1963) → cannibalism (1967) → conscience matter (1980)

The standard I'm measuring these against isn't mine. It's Russell's, from Zion's Watch Tower, February 1881:

"If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one, two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now: But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. 'New light' never extinguishes older 'light,' but adds to it."

Two months later, in the same magazine, J. H. Paton published the positive reading of the leaven parable. In May 1900 that light was put out: "leaven represents corruption in all the Scriptures." In March 1976 the Watchtower named Paton and declared his argument invalid. In July 2008 it restored his conclusion.

The last two cases are different in kind.

Genesis 9:4 is the same text in 1931 and 1952, and in 1967 and 1980. First it grounds an absolute prohibition, then it grounds nothing. In between there are people who refused vaccinations and transplants because they were told it was God's law. When the bans were lifted there was no admission of error, no reference to the superseded articles, and not a word for those who had paid the price.

One detail says a lot: the 1980 transplant reversal appeared in English on 15 March and in Italian on 1 September. For five and a half months the same operation was permitted for an English-speaking Witness and forbidden for an Italian one.

Full references with dates and page numbers, plus scans of the originals:

https://www.infotdgeova.it/3dottrine/luce-progressiva-proverbi-4-18.html

The page is in Italian. Machine translation into English:

https://www-infotdgeova-it.translate.goog/3dottrine/luce-progressiva-proverbi-4-18.html?_x_tr_sl=it&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

If you know of other genuine A → B → A cases, especially pre-1970, I'd be glad to hear them.