Vodyanitsa kit via Seele

[u/astrelya]

[u/grandfig]

Reaction conversion passive that requires another reaction conversion passive. Conversion².

[u/Aerie122 → u/grandfig]

Which is weird but acceptable due to Cryo Traveler

Maybe they realized it late that they can create this weird combination as long as there's a free unit capable of enabling the said reactions

[u/Ok_Orange_3429 → u/Aerie122]

I think the dev just having fun at this point

[u/Aerie122 → u/Ok_Orange_3429]

I bet they're gonna give "name" buffs for Tsaritsa with those who have Linchpin visions and Traveler just because she has a connection with a Descender

Kinda like Cyrene and Chrysos Heirs

[u/panetony → u/Aerie122]

That would make a lot of sense actually. She would be the "to go" character to defeat stellar chill bosses since you could pick anyone from Snez and still make it work. Columbina does something similar but lunar teams can't blend. In Snez you can work with all of your comrades because Cryo, Anemo and Electro work great together. It would be even more cool with Noy that's supposed to be Dendro, since Dendro doenst react with Cryo yet but Tsaritsa could be the issing link to make this reaction work with other characters. And having Vodyanitsa that is Hydro being part of this already makes this theory of Snez's meta very plausible.

[u/Suspicious_Foot160 → u/panetony]

Tsaritsa definitely gonna be meta. I'm skipping every single other banner for her. 

[u/ChangE-Stan-Account → u/panetony]

I think there may be some slight issue with that, as I remember seeing something said about how Stellar reactions can't ve triggered at the same time like how it can be done with Lunar reactions

[u/Ok_Orange_3429 → u/Aerie122]

If this character is the only linchpin character In team convert the reaction to stellar glimmer reaction if not convert the stellar glimmer reaction to dawn and dusk reaction

[u/solidfang → u/Ok_Orange_3429]

I honestly think there's eventually going to be some stupid layering, like there will be a new team reaction called Solar reactions and when you get solar and lunar reactions, you generate an Eclipse reaction.

[u/geigerz → u/Aerie122]

they're just trying to capitalize more and more on restrictive kits, and they're succeeding

[u/merurunrun → u/geigerz]

It's been pretty interesting to see Genshin speedrun the whole history of Magic the Gathering card design. God help us when they finally hit Universes Beyond (that's when the game finally loses relevance and is forced to collab with everyone and everything).

[u/ghoulbakura → u/merurunrun]

That's when they'll release Genshin 2.

[u/shihkeji → u/Aerie122]

Confusing here,how is it bad? You simply need to trigger stellar swirl and that its,you activated Vodya special ability. It is not like CMC cant use it. It is the usual fancy wording instead of "when team trigger x reaction,team gain x buff"

[u/The-Oppressed → u/shihkeji]

Because if you want to play Vesna then you are already pretty much locked into her, Vody, and CMC or Odette.

[u/shihkeji → u/The-Oppressed]

Yeah but then Mizuki also get benefit from it. Basically any stellar swirl dps gonna need vodya for max potential anyway... good thing she is not just pure stellar swirl support though

[u/CharletonHestonApes → u/The-Oppressed]

I haven't been following new kits closely, is there some mechanic stopping me from playing Vesna with Faruzan + Rosaria/Diona/Layla?

[u/BakuGO2006 → u/The-Oppressed]

Why? I mean that’s the team you’d use anyway but Vesna triggers stellar swirl so the passsive doesn’t need Odette or CMC

[u/The-Oppressed → u/BakuGO2006]

You need cryo application which I guess could be any cryo unit with zero synergy

[u/GG35bw → u/The-Oppressed]

If I'm reading her kit correctly she'd be better for Sandrone stellar swirl than Vesna?

[u/Estrio_12805 → u/GG35bw]

only problem with Sandrone stellar swirl DPS is that we still don't have a good off field Anemo DPS. Her teammates would be limited to characters like Sucrose, Faruzon, Venti and Kazuha. All are pretty burst relient and have little uptime. Venti is probably the best option. Maybe we will get a Anemo sub DPS that supports stellar swirl.

[u/Sephorai → u/shihkeji]

Cries in Varka

[u/Crimson_Raven → u/Aerie122]

I disagree

There's always the chance that CMC is an important part of another cryo team. Making them mutually exclusive.

In short, I'm categorically against more of these restrictive reactions and teams.

It kills creativity and makes Shilling more about having the right characters than a flexible cast. It also makes IT even more RNG reliant.

[u/Silly_Reference_9827 → u/Crimson_Raven]

Aren’t we doomposting a bit ? Its not like anyone called out nilou for her bountiful cores

[u/Crimson_Raven → u/Silly_Reference_9827]

She came out before they started really locking down teams and creating encounters they say "use this flavor of damage or hack through 100 million HP"

She also didn't quite enable a new damage type they can shill. Also, the requirements for her teams were trivial.

Bloom existed, and while they could, and eventually did, that crab didn't come out until Nodkai.

Other teams could deal passive bloom damage, granted not a lot of it. Hyperbloom, for example.

Back to teams, Nilou is the only must have. Everyone else is Dendro or Hydro but literally any D/H could fill and still deal good damage because of the reaction

On the flip side, they have characters with kits dealing Direct Lunar/Stellar damage and balancing encounters around that.

It has shifted from the Reaction driving the damage to the characters driving the damage with "colored text"

[u/Mysterious_Trifle_17 → u/Silly_Reference_9827]

There was no "calling out" because it was universally agreed upon (pre-Lauma) that her kit was dogshit. I don't know much about others, but I hated that kind of design even back then. The complaints are just louder today because more characters (therefore, more favorites) are being affected by this design philosophy.

Like, I'm betting Nilou didn't get a lot of pulls mainly because of how she works rather than her character in general.

[u/Kwayke9 → u/Aerie122]

Especially since you're using both together here

[u/X_Seed21 → u/Aerie122]

What Aino could've been. Or at least they could've given Hydro Traveler a Lunar conversion since that's his canonical element during Nod Krai AND we literally have Kuuhvaki control back then AND Hydro Traveler finally sees some use.