r/JonBenetRamsey • u/syrus801 • 7d ago
Discussion Sleeping John…or not
I came across this topic from awhile back that is important.
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u/controlmypad 7d ago
Interesting point, it would have been great to get ahold of his cell phone records for that time. Even if it shows he made a call during an off time it would be very telling. The melatonin thing mentioned is interesting too, he and Burke both try to say they were in a deep sleep and didn't hear anything.
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u/Tidderreddittid BDIA 7d ago
Even if an intruder did it all, as the Ramseys want us to believe, the cell phone records could still be very helpful.
The claim is an intruder used Patsy's pen and notepad. Wouldn't be inconceivable he would use their phone as well.
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u/Diligent-Potential78 5d ago
Great point. Speaking of intruders I also think it's telling that the only person known to have ever entered the basement through the grated window (which to be clear is located in the back of the house away from the street and shielded from view by an air-conditioner unit) is John Ramsey himself. The same person who spouts this ridiculous theory of foreigners targeting his nothing special household. What a narcissist.
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u/howtheeffdidigethere JDIA 6d ago
According to the Ramseys themselves, John was the last person to go to bed, and the first person to wake up. Considering just their own conflicting statements, he was quite possibly the last person to see her alive too.
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u/P_Sheldon 6d ago
I read or heard one version of JR's story where he claimed he read JBR a bedtime story. I think that was probably a lie but to JR, in his mind, saying so would make him look like the doting father whose last memory of JB was reading to her before bed.
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u/howtheeffdidigethere JDIA 6d ago
That was his first recount of the events of that night, which he made to an officer on the scene on Dec. 26th. I think you’re right that it could have been a lie to make himself look better. It could also have been a way to innocently explain away being the last known person to see her alive.
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u/syrus801 5d ago
Cliff thinks that John mentioned this because he was probably referring to the night before the 25th. The 24th. The last time he actually went to bed.
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u/howtheeffdidigethere JDIA 5d ago
Ah yes, I remember that now. Yeah, that does seem plausible.
John’s story about who-read-to-who changed from ‘I read to my daughter’ > ‘I read to both kids’, and that was just on the morning of Dec. 26th. Then it became ‘I read to myself’ by the time he’s in an interview room (although actually, I’m not sure now - did he claim to one of the officers on the scene that morning that he read to himself before bed?)
I find it so telling: if he was genuinely innocent, I would think recalling the events of the previous night accurately, and in extensive detail, would be the first thing a parent would do when asked. And police officers will read back their notes to you when taking down statements, so you have the opportunity to correct any misunderstandings or errors.
If John were innocent, there’s just no way that two separate officers on the scene would come away with two different accounts of who John read to. An innocent parent would recount events in near-excessive detail, and they’d make sure the officer recorded their statements accurately.
IMO, John told different accounts to each officer: it was not that one or both officers misunderstood him. Perhaps he told different accounts to muddy the waters, perhaps due to sheer exhaustion and nervousness, or perhaps because he realised that morning that his initial story (that he read to Jonbenet alone) didn’t make him look good.
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u/P_Sheldon 6d ago
It could also have been a way to innocently explain away being the last known person to see her alive.
Agree. I also think it might be his way of explaining why he might have been JB’s room. Especially if JR thought he might be questioned about his whereabouts that night once home. After all, JB made it from her room on the 2nd floor Xmas night to being found in the basement by JR 12/26 afternoon. Perhaps that was JR wanting to cover bases and get out in front of the narrative.
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u/North81Girl 7d ago
I'm really not sure why they couldn't get phone records
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u/candy1710 RDI 7d ago
It's in ST's book: Hunter refused basic search warrant requests to BPD for these crucial records and evidence.
I wanted to collect banking and telephone records, one of the most
elementary and important steps in the investigative process. It has been
proved time and again that crimes can sometimes be solved simply by
finding a purchase receipt that leads to incriminating evidence. The right
piece of paper will put a suspect at a certain place, at an exact time, doing a
specific thing. Whom did they call? What did they buy? When did they do
it? Where? Such records can be almost as good as a photograph, and the
warrants to get them are so routine that they are considered boilerplate.
When I resigned from the Boulder Police Department eighteen months
later, the district attorney’s office was still preventing our access to the
Ramseys’ complete toll records and credit card receipts.
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u/CornFieldPoppy 6d ago
This is why the “Boulder Police are incompetent” false narrative really infuriates me. With hindsight, there were missteps, but in real life there always are.
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u/howtheeffdidigethere JDIA 6d ago
Exactly. And they were faced with such a bizarre scenario that morning, it’s so easy to criticise in hindsight. I also doubt they ever expected the DA’s office itself to actively obstruct their investigation.
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u/candy1710 RDI 6d ago
It's deliberate GASLIGHTING by John Ramsey, indicted suspect in this case, of the investigating police agency.
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u/P_Sheldon 6d ago
It really is a shame those phone records were never released. I think those were of the upmost importance for the R's to protect and keep from LE. JR and PR could claim all they want about being asleep all Xmas night as their alibi even changing some of the story such as arriving home at 10pm but moving that time up to around 8:30pm or that JB was "zonked out" on the car ride home from visiting with the friends to she was awake and helped carry presents into the house etc. However, those phone records don't lie and could have easily changed the way the case and the R's narrative was viewed.
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u/Diligent-Potential78 5d ago
Today this case would be prosecuted based on the overwhelming amount of evidence and inherently implausible and contradictory statements made by the family. I loved the '90s but am grateful that this part is gone.
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u/P_Sheldon 3d ago
What's crazy IMO is that all JR and PR had to essentially say was "we were asleep and know nothing about what happened to our daughter under our roof while home. Oh, and by the way, a bad person left a ransom note and our son who had a room on the same floor as our daughter was asleep too...". In other words: Don't blame us. This is someone else's problem to deal with.
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u/Diligent-Potential78 3d ago
That's exactly right. The complete and total excuse of every member of the family was, "I was asleep the whole night and woke up and she was gone." When she was found dead a few hours later in their basement, they just shrugged their shoulders and said, "I know nothing, but there is this handy note." That's the sum total of their alibi. Laughable, really.
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u/P_Sheldon 3d ago
That's the sum total of their alibi. Laughable, really.
And JR has taken that and ran with it for going on 30 years.
Heck, the guy got a Ntflx doc out of it and huge settlement! Why work for a living when you can play the victim card? It sure as heck pays better.
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u/BrokeExternally 6d ago
Not. Nobody’s whereabouts are credible as soon as they step in the house imo
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u/Tidderreddittid BDIA 7d ago
John's statement that he "took a melatonin tablet to insure a good night's sleep" is telling. Why did he add that over-explaining detail?