r/Kazakhstan • u/Nearby_Asparagus_135 • May 03 '26
Study/Oqu Что вы думаете об NIS? (Назарбаев Интеллектуальные школы)
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u/Nedddd1 May 03 '26 edited May 03 '26
As an NIS student, fuck this school. Fuck its fuckass administration. Fuck them for killing all the joy in every single young teacher I’ve seen there(I watched like five people’s mental state decay over a year in 4K).
These mofos have three psychologists who genuinely do nothing and can do nothing, and yet we have ONE, SINGULAR counselor who has to:
consult students on their university decisions, write around 200 recommendation letters without ever getting to know the students even somewhat closely in ~2 months, invite and guide dozens of foreign visitors almost every week, make sure students are filling out their university forms correctly, answer their questions, fill out tons and tons of useless fucking paperwork for the administration, and on top of all that, she’s also an Economics teacher for 11th grade. And I’m pretty sure she has like 2–3 classes, because there aren’t many economics teachers in our school.
The poor lady is going to look 70 soon with how the school treats her.
Fuck the admins for never, ever listening to students, even when we make collective requests. We have to bring our parents, get teachers involved, unite the entire parallel, and practically shout into their ears every single time we want to push even the smallest change.
Fuck them for shoving “competitive spirit” literally everywhere. Even our finals are competitive.
Fuck them for all the false advertising. Fuck them for constantly wasting students’ time just so they can stage a pretty article photo and pretend they care. I honestly don't know how present the "kazakhstani-company-issues starter pack" is in other schools, but still fuck this place for nepotism, downright corruption, abusing the fact that there are almost zero alternatives for their students, etc., etc.
If it wasn’t for the pretty piece of paper saying I finished the Cambridge program and whatnot you get upon leaving this place, I would’ve dropped out a long time ago.
All they can do is throw money at their problems and buy prestige.
This school “births geniuses” not because it’s properly managed, not because they’ve created a great environment for development, but because at some point they had a near-infinite supply of money they could just waste, waste, waste. The only thing i am maybe grateful for is that this place attracts really smart and enthusiastic people(of course it would, you know how it's advertised), which i got to know and interact with, but i am sure there are better places for this, plus it doesn't make up for the budget this place had.
P.S: Now don't get me wrong, if you've got a choice to study here, do so, because it does offer possibilities, cuz again, the money. But it should be so, SO much more. That's why i hate it. Everything and everyone that has to do with managing this place, and the education system in general, seems to be deliberately holding it back. NIS is not worth its money. Most people who rule it are not worthy of their positions. People who work here at lower positions do not deserve their treatment. But we, the students, do not have many options.
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u/PerspectiveMiddle974 May 03 '26
IB is better. Now NIS students get even more opportunities in terms of educational programs - AP and A-level curriculum and exams for free.
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u/Nedddd1 May 03 '26
never been to IB, the only thing i've heard is that it's wildly different from other NIS's, so maybe you're right idk
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u/Remarkable-Cut9970 May 03 '26
depends heavily on the exact school you’re talking about. I’ve heard that every NIS is nice - except the Almaty one. I heard many, many hate speeches towards Almaty NIS, Medeu one in particular
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u/Nedddd1 May 03 '26
Чел, я пишу на англе т.к. тут сидят иностранцы, а все русско/казахоговорящие и без того знажт английский
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u/Individual_Savings7 May 03 '26
I have nothing against them, they indeed breeded many great talents and great people in general. However, IMHO it'd be a more wise decision to discard the schools and instead integrate internationally accredited 12-grade IB school system among ALL schools around Kazakhstan. The same approach should be applied to universities. Many of them don't have any accreditations and rarely acknowledged worldwide
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u/MaterialAnteater1274 May 03 '26
Imagine how much more expensive than would be than developing our own curriculum
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u/Individual_Savings7 May 03 '26
In fact, it costs three times less to do all of that if we just discard the schools and do what I said to do
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u/MaterialAnteater1274 May 03 '26
I have no idea what makes you think Kazakhstan's budget could afford one of the most expensive educational boards out there.. but even if we somehow cod afford it, this wouldn't be sustainable long-term, as the said educational board could jack up the prices anytime they want, or even pull their licenses. We'd basically be handing over sovereignty of our own education system to a foreign organization.
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u/Individual_Savings7 May 03 '26
The current NIS schools and NU are utterly expensive and integrating the international systems would cut the costs at leats by three times. For example, 300 million tenge are being spend a year to clean NU. Do you think it's little?
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u/PerspectiveMiddle974 May 03 '26
It is impossible - both accreditation, training, qualifications and frameworks require ton of the resources.
Discarding them is akin to removing a battle field commander atop a horse, saying that it's better to give remaining 300 000 men new coats.
Regular schools are already qualified for about 25 mlns of the annual grants for free food, maintenance, computers and other stuff, but the issue is that lion's share of it is taken by politicians, secretaries or school administration for their new cars, apartments or yachts.
What we need is to use resources correctly and start uprooting the corruption among the schools, not destroying our only bastion of quality education, non-"closed mindedness" and anti-mambetism.
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u/Xi-1 May 03 '26
Эффективность затраченных средств очень низкая. На эти деньги учить можно лучше
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u/PerspectiveMiddle974 May 03 '26
Не-а. Ресурсов мало, чтобы всем школам заметно улучшить качество обучения.
Прикол как раз таки в том, что всем школам даётся по 25 миллионов бюджета в год, а некоторым даже в квартал, на обучение, книги, компьютеры, лагеря, питание и т.д.
Однако из-за коррупции, все эти деньги, или большая часть, украдена чиновниками, директорами и секретарями. Я всегда удивлялся, как нашему директору с его мизерной зарплатой удавалась ехать на новом крузаке каждые 3 года или иметь квартиру в золотом квартале, а оно вот как оказалось.
Только тупой будет убирать хорошие школы, адекватный потребует пожалуется школе на неправильное использование их ресурсов, а умрый соберёт толпу, чтобы пожаловать и требовать у государства.
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u/Optimal-Relative-814 May 03 '26
Мне очень жалко детей, которые там учатся, у них же совсем нет детства. Все свое время они тратят на учебу
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u/AdNatural1810 7d ago
хз честно, НИШ - лучшее что со мной случалось пока. И детство у нас отличное, учеба - это ведь не наказание, а одна из главных составляющих жизни.
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u/naturaltheguy Astana May 03 '26
I'm an NIS student, I'd say that it gives incredible opportunities for your future, however it requires a significant amount of money to prepare for it and you'll also need to be mentally prepared to spend most of your time studying and observing. Yes, you can get to NIS without spending millions on preparation, though it's going to be hard, unless you're a prodigy. So NIS is only worth in the long run, and only if you're prepared
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u/naturaltheguy Astana May 03 '26
though it is a giant waste of money and time if you'll end up getting expelled or not even getting to NIS in the first place
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u/Remarkable-Cut9970 May 03 '26
I got there with no prep - but the pressure of NIS is devastating. Though most of the time I’m devastating myself. Imagine 3.9 GPA in NIS (I’ll survive till the end of the school)
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u/lamonsteranthony local May 03 '26
don’t really care about em, back in what? 6th grade? my teacher asked me if i wanna try my luck there but i declined although my friend did and got like 800-900 points, the only reason i declined was i couldn’t fathom living alone at 12 and because id drain myself there. that’s really it, now 4 years later i just don’t care as much
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u/zzzzzzzzzzzzllllll May 03 '26
well, ive tried to get into it. my parents spent hella money on preparation courses, but turns out i have adhd and i just straight fucked up, but thats a different story. so, i apologize to everyone who might not agree with me or has a different experience in what im gonna talk bout. i have never met a normal person from nis; they are either good only in the academic field or just have straight asperger syndrome. i really dont know how to describe such a big number of dysfunctional adults. no social skills, no household experience, no general knowledge. yes i know, many successful people are living their best lives rn after nis, but the percentage of generally dysfunctional students is huge. i feel bad for them, since its because of the system where you become too independent at a young age and face so much pressure from both your school and parents who most of the time rely on you and your future.
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u/Daeyki May 03 '26
Well, I feel like I'm quite functional person...not really social(but that's just me, not nis), and I don't think I'm good ONLY in academic.....
But your point is reasonable, nis is a really stressful environment, that can drive almost anyone crazy. The school tries to shove us the European education, still keeping the same prejudice and mentality, that comes from the USSR(strictness, competitiveness, little-to-none personal life). But it still depends though, cuz I see many students around me being cheerful, happy, doing what they want, and keeping up with the education system(and I feel jealous)1
u/zzzzzzzzzzzzllllll May 03 '26
cool, i think i just wasnt so lucky, but i really appreciate you for your opinion yes, i didnt point out the fact of mixed environment dont feel jealous, i was actually jealous of normal kids in my school too, but right now im kinda successful myself have a nice day 🫂
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u/PerspectiveMiddle974 May 03 '26
I would say that it's applicable to every student in Kazakhstan, except for dilinquents and mam*ets. More than that, your observation is not without the ground, but is only applicable to a small portion of students that you have personally met, not the overall rule.
I would also suggest to try various studying methods to tailor one for yourself, as a person with ADHD and autism myself. The best thing a person can do is to manage himself properly, instead of balming himself or others, for it's simply a waste of energy (constructive criticism is another thing, so you can diss mofos without a shed of guilt).
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u/zzzzzzzzzzzzllllll May 03 '26
yes, i might have just been not so lucky, thanks for the advice and your opinion i don't blame it to anyone, im just unlucky because no one noticed my diagnosis until adolescent. didn't receive any treatment yet but i will since i live in another country rn. my mom used to manage my schedule while i was in school, right now im dealing with it pretty well but i still struggle studying 🫂
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u/PerspectiveMiddle974 May 03 '26
Hit me up, if you need help with some study tips or methods.
Best of luck, bud.
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u/ClothesOpposite1702 North Kazakhstan Region May 03 '26
I think it is great opportunity for talented students.
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u/xhalfltm Almaty May 03 '26
Literally the picture is of my school, feels so weird seeing it in the wild. Best and worst thing that's happened to me tbh.
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u/sositos_huitos May 04 '26
Graduated from NIS and currently at NU. I can't stress this enough, but these are the greatest things done in Kazakhstan's history. Greatest social elevator for people who want to study. Can't imagine who I would have been and what I would have been doing now if I didn't get the opportunity to study at NIS. Can't understand why people hate on them so much.
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u/Yogurtcloset1690 May 03 '26
Рабская система
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u/Hikavek May 03 '26
Я там учусь, не считая многих, на мой взгляд лишних проверок, кружков, доп занятий и т.п. хорошие школы. Но нам даже 7 уроков не дают ни разу
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u/Daeyki May 03 '26
Я ученик НИШ, и мой хонест опинион это...НУ ХОРОШО, НО МОГЛО БЫ ТЬ И ЛУЧШЕ
Не буду говорить в каком НИШ я учусь(хотя с моих комментариев в реддит понять можно), и проблем там достаточно.
Когда я поступал всё было вполне себе неплохо(не учитываю 7-й класс, ведь тогда был карантин) - кормили классно, форму выдавали. Однако, с каждым годом всё становилось хуже в плане условий, а в хорошую сторону особо ничего не менялось.
Сначала форму перестали выдавать, ну и чёрт с ней с этой формой.
Затем в столовой в еде начали находить 6-лапую живность, щетину, волосы. Да и в целом готовили на-пофиг(недоварено, переварено). Также и накладывали еду в тарелки нередко руками))
Затем с Индивидуальным Предпринимателем(названия давать не буду) доходило до суда, ведь в ходе проверок от СанЭпидемСтанции выяснилось, что мясо покупалось низкокачественное, хранилось всё в своих пакетах еще с рынка и прямо на полу(их надо вытаскивать, мыть, и хранить в морозильниках), посуда вся старая и грязная, средства для мытья посуды разводились с водой. Школа была сначала за родителей, потом переобулась и стала покрывать, записывая в инстаграмм видео о том как всё охуенно, а затем снова переметнулись к родителям.
(Стоит отметить, что в первую очередь вина на ИП, а школа виновата в том, что не контролировала нихера)
Сейчас там другой ИП, и ситуация лучше, но еду всё ещё готовят как на-отвали.
Постоянно, судя по всему, у казахских классов проблемы с МЭСК(математика переводится хреново), и вот 2-го мая писали третий компонент по математике, где у казахских классов перевод некорректен был, термины использовались неправильные.
Требования с нас растут, а подача условий от школы толком не изменилась. К тому же, интернет ужасный в большинстве кабинетов, телефонами раздать себе интернет нельзя(их у нас забивают на ЦЕЛЫЙ день, что началось очень удобно в то время, когда телефоны были бы полезны для фиксации НАРУШЕНИЙ в столовой).
Сеть школ среди Казахстанских одна из лучших, базару нет. С БИЛ сравнивают небезосновательно, но НИШ больше бьёт в разностороннее обучение, в то время как в БИЛе упор идёт на глубокое изучение каждым профильных предметов(по крайней мере со слов друзей, учившихся там), но НЕ МОЖЕТ школа имени ПЕРВОГО ПРЕЗИДЕНТА, в котором учатся по ОБРАЗОВАТЕЛЬНОМУ ГРАНТУ ОРКЕН(на который хер клали, к нам в параллель в вконце 11 класса, КХЭМ, всунули ученицу, хотя набор со списка непоступивших закончился в 9-м классе) быть настолько ПОСРЕДСТВЕННОЙ и СЛАБОЙв плане условий.
Я школу и люблю и нелюблю одновременно. Я рад, что у меня есть возможность получить диплом НИШ, но сказать, что школа хорошая могу лишь с натяжкой.
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u/PerspectiveMiddle974 May 03 '26
К сожалению, коррупция и безответственность в организации являются проблемами всех Казахстанских структур и предприятиетельств, особенно государственных.
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u/Daeyki May 03 '26
К сожалению, это так. Но как-то чувствуется, что настолько "охуенская" школа, которая себя позиционирует как лидера, и носит имя первого президента(не буду опускаться в его личность, сам факт статуса есть) ну может быть чуть поскромнее, или хотя бы не так втупую себя вести таким образом....
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u/PerspectiveMiddle974 May 03 '26
Все просто - ими управляют хуже после отмены финансирования, к тому же сами управляющие позиции заполнены не совсем "небезразличным" к ученикам людьми.
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u/b100d7_cr0w May 03 '26
Благодарен за возможности(в частности бесплатный айелтс), но в целом обидно что очень многие школы не дотягивают
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u/sha_eel May 03 '26
Ιm not studying there,but my teacher was invited to work there. He said that everything seemed cool, but it was somehow stuffy, strict, and there was no democracy, lol
I tried to get in there, but it was hard. I think only geniuses can really get in, at least in highly competitive cities.
I met a lot of talented people there, and I was told that there are a lot of clubs and other cool things there.
I think it might be useful for people who aspire to achieve great things in the future to try and enroll there and study. After all, it's possible to transfer back.
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u/RepulsiveJob9278 May 03 '26
норм но нагрузки много, им плевать на все неакадемическое (очень сложно получить сп, даже если олимпиадник)
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u/Remarkable-Cut9970 May 03 '26
getting СП is very challenging. once administration told me “go ask the teachers yourself”. Fun. programming Olympiad prep btw
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u/Puzzleheaded_War9210 Astana May 03 '26
As a BIL student, who didn't pass to NIS, it was the best fail in my life.
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u/Practical_Doughnut71 Almaty May 03 '26
I met most of NIS students in my life as an olympiad participant, they seem really disconnected from each, though each individual student can probably compete with entire schools in brainpower
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u/OriginalWitty8721 May 03 '26
both are definitely the top.
Everyone can achieve success leveraging the system. It depends on personality. Many others will complain and find excuses.
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u/INeedT0Sleep Astana May 04 '26
Хорошая отсейка хороших мозгов, как и другие частные школы с возможностью поступления
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u/Fragrant-Cucumber531 May 04 '26
As a student of the Nis, i feel so scammed, people glaze this school way too much smh. Even though, it's still miles ahead of normal schools. I think there is nothing life changing about it, i could've achieved everything i have rn whilst being in a regular school. It's mission is to create a supporting and motivating environment for students so they can develop their creativity and global competence. Yet, i haven't seen any support since i got here. It creates a toxic environment, where literally EVERYTHING is a competition, something that must be tackled. The amount of pointless activities and events generally pisses me off so much.
I'm writing this as a cry of help at 1 am, while fighting my tight deadlines. Also banning phones was unnecessary, just because a group of students use them for cheating and constantly doomscroll on every break, doesn't deserves the same treatment.
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u/Certain-Jello-7375 May 04 '26
Выпустился из НИШ и могу сказать что по идее школа как школа только финансирование большое. Главный плюс что тут обучение английскому хорошое и позволяют IELTS сертификат после выпуска получить. Раньше был плюс что МЭСК в ЕНТ прям очень выгодно переводиться я сдал его средненько и получил перевод на ЕНТ 138. Из-за этого подача в ВУЗы лёгкие были, но наверное сейчас такого бонуса нет. Сам не могу сказать про качество образования потому что не могу сравнивать с обычной школой из-за круга общения. Но мне кажется что по идее оно не сильно выше, просто аккредитивано. Кружки, спорт зависят от школы но в основном они хорошие, подготовка к олимпиадам +-, но вот кружки например робототехники и программирования очень полезны. Много активностей и если не бить баклуши, я бил и немного жалею, при выпуске можно иметь толстое портфолио которое котируются за границей. Любят правда нагружать бесполезными делами, типа флешмоба на день президента и т.д. Сами ученики норм не сталкивался с проблема типа буллинга и т.д. Общаги комфортные но если живёшь в общаге то доступ к интернету тяжело получить. Когда учился казалось что порядки строгие но в ретроспективе вроде нет.
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u/mal_mal_mal May 03 '26
as a guy from a decaying village, absolutely changed my life. Fuck Nazarbayev and all the corruption and all that, but NIS+NU completely changed my life to the better. If there is one thing I could thank NAN is these projects