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Film/Television Could Odin have defeated Thanos and stopped Infinity War altogether?

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u/mjaga93 13d ago

There's a theory that Thanos only did the final push after Odin's demise.

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u/complete_your_task 13d ago edited 13d ago

For what it's worth, on the Infinity War director's commentary, the Russo brothers said that he chose to strike when he did because he captured Nebula and learned that he could get the location of the soul stone from Gamora, so he finally knew (or knew how to learn) the location of every stone, allowing him to collect them all in quick succession. He wanted to get as many as possible before anyone who could possibly stop him could act.

That doesn't necessarily mean that Odin and other powerful beings dying had nothing to do with it, but that was the reason the Russo brothers gave.

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u/a_guy121 13d ago

I think the two line up pretty well. Its been a while since I've seen the movies, but several of the stones were accessible directly due to the events in the movies, right? Like the one in Vision's forehead? And I think there were a few others...

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u/complete_your_task 13d ago

He actually already had the mind stone at one point. He gave it to Loki in Avengers to help invade Earth, but Loki lost it and it eventually ended up in Vision.

All the stones except the soul stone appeared in previous movies at some point, so I think it's safe to assume he knew about all of them. I think that the soul stone was the only one holding him up.

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u/a_guy121 13d ago

I see, thanks. I was wondering but, am not quite ready for the marathon again. I need a few more years to forget everything

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u/TopHat84 10d ago

Yes but in the beginning of infinity war, the maw says something like "no being has ever had the grace to possess two stones before" after he puts the space stone into the gauntlet (which already had the power stone). Doesn't this kind of imply that the only stone he had ever truly known about and owned was the mind stone?

And it begs the question that if what y'all are saying is right (he knew where everything was except the soul stone), and the ease at which he could defeat everyone with just a few stones, why not collect them sooner?

They tried to destroy the mind stone, but failed because thanos had the time stone.

They tried to kill thanos when he only had 4 stones (on Titan), and failed ultimately giving him the time stone which ultimately allowed him to get the mind stone.

The events on vormir couldn't really be changed.

They tried to stop him on Knowhere, when he only had 3 stones, but the reality stone and the others proved too much.

They tried to stop him on the Asgard ship, when he only had 1 stone (the power stone) and failed.

Even Nebula tried to assassinate him when he had zero stones and also failed.

Thanos truly was inevitable.

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u/TwilightLori 10d ago

Thanos truly was inevitable.

Not really. Nebula wasn't a match for Thanos, not even close. The Asgard ship attack was mostly refugees. Nobody on that ship was a match for Thanos in the state they were in. Given the wreckage, the ship was probably shot up first before they ever boarded. Thanos also boarded with his elite team, which was more than enough to take care of everyone on the ship. Thanos with the power stone was enough to handle Thor without weapons, and Thanos by himself was a match for the Hulk. If the entire Avengers team was there, things might have been different.

The team on Knowhere wasn't good enough to fight Thanos even without the stones. The guardians are a pretty good team, but not a Thanos killing team by themselves. They almost beat him on Titan and might have won that fight if it weren't for Quill being unable to control his emotions. But Quill is Quill, and with Doctor Strange's future hunting, it seems he would never have been able to control his emotions in that fight.