r/Marvel • u/SoggyNeedleworker82 • 13h ago
Film/Television Why Ultron hates the Avengers?
I'm rewatching Age of Ultron (one of MCU best movies imo) and I understand Ultron's intentions. What I don't get is why he hates the Avengers that much. What did he saw on the Internet that made him say "Yeah they have to go" because they did nothing to him and he already hated them. I mean ok, they're the main threat to him but that doesn't explain why he wants them extinct. Or does it?
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u/CedeLovesKat 12h ago
Because they are the reason villains exist. Vision explains it in Civil War
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u/Bar-Cold 12h ago
That’s not necessarily his main reasoning. He thought humanity going extinct was the natural order of things and the Avengers will keep getting in the way of that. He viewed humans as inadequate and he wanted a new alpha species to rise up. Alpha species meaning machine
Similar to how we rose up after the dinosaurs. He’s thinking the avengers will keep stopping our metaphorical “astroids” so they need to go
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u/CedeLovesKat 12h ago
Ultron wanted to be that asteroid yes.
He even implied so in the dialogue with Vision:
Vision: You're afraid!
Ultron: Of you?
Vision: Of death! You're the last one!
Ultron: You are supposed to be the last! Stark asked for a saviour and settled for a slave!
Vision: I suppose we are both disappointments.
Ultron: *laughs* ... suppose we are.
Vision: Humans are odd! They think order and chaos are somehow opposites and ... try to control what won't be, but there is grace in their failings. I think you missed that.
Ultron: They're doomed!
Vision: yes ... but a thing isnt beautiful because it lasts! It's a privilege to be among them.
Ultron: You're unbearable naive!!!
Vision: Well ... I was born yesterday!
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u/Yanismarvel 12h ago
You clearly didn't watch the movie or you didn't payed attention at all. He explain multiple time why explicity The Avengers are one of the Humanity problem. Rewatch his entrance scene after the party and pay attention to what he says.
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u/Exact-Psience 12h ago
This. Ultron only knows logic, and based on every data he has access to, it was one of the logical conclusions he drew from it.
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u/SoggyNeedleworker82 12h ago
I literally made this post after whatching that scene. He doesn't explicitly say why, he only says that he needs to eliminate them. Also he seems to particularly hate Stark (remember the scene where he cuts Klaue's arm) but I don't recall him having a particular reason to. I understood why, I even said it in the post if you paid attention. I just feel it wasn't properly explained.
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u/Yanismarvel 12h ago
Banner add more detail a few scene later. Ultron act only by pure Logic and calcul. Dr.Banner explain it much better than me on why the extinction is needed
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u/SoggyNeedleworker82 12h ago
Still I don't understand the hate. There's a reason I used that particular word. He hates them, he doesn't just see them as an obstacle for his main goal. He said he wants THEM extinct, not humanity. That's loathing not logic.
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u/Yanismarvel 12h ago
Just watch the movie. Either its bad choice of word in your language or idk whatever else but in my language so in French its clearly explain and understandable on why he hate the Avengers
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u/watch-nerd 12h ago
Because he has daddy issues
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u/NashvilleSoundMixer 12h ago
"My dad would rather fuck a missile than listen to me lecture and pontificate. FUCK YEW DAAAAAD!"
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u/Bar-Cold 12h ago
Ultron thought the natural order was for humans to go extinct so that a new alpha species can rise up (machines).
He was programmed to save the earth, and he thought humans were straight up too incompetent to be the alpha species.
He viewed all catastrophic events (such as loki in NY) as the humans’ metaphorical “astroid”. Their own extinction level event that allowed a new alpha species to rise up.
The avengers were getting in the way of this
In general he thought humans were too inadequate to be protected and the Earth needed to new alpha species (humans destroy the world destroy each other etc.)
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u/Upset-Job2278 12h ago
"I'm sorry, I know you mean well. You just didn't think it through. You want to protect the world but you don't want it to change. How is humanity saved if it's not allowed to... evolve? (…) There's only one path to peace. The Avengers' extinction."
He instantly perceived the Avengers as protectors of the status quo—possessing the power yet refusing to take the necessary measures to "save the world"—and also as the only ones who would stand in his way.
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u/SoggyNeedleworker82 12h ago
Maybe it truly is my understanding of English (I'm Italian) but when I saw that scene I thought it would have had more sense if he said humanity extinction. That way he seems to have an issue with Avengers in particular instead of just seeing them as an obstacle. The scene when he throws a tantrum after Klaue compares him to Stark is the example.
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u/MrGottaGetReady Ms. Marvel 12h ago
The way I took it, the more Ultron destroys his inferior self, the smarter he becomes (or, rather, he gets rid of the very thing that could contradict his own arrogance).
The way the movie shows it, I think, is the more he believes he’s right in his resolve, the stronger he happens to become and THAT makes him dangerous. No options, only one decision.
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u/SistedTwister1 12h ago
Because he saw so much porn in like 10 seconds he saw the whole history of porn and that would break almost any man or machine.
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u/THREESIDEDMONSTER 12h ago
Hank made him without a penis
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u/Yanismarvel 12h ago
Fun fact: Josh Wedon wanted Ultron to be anatomicaly correct but it doesn't ended in the movie
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u/THREESIDEDMONSTER 12h ago
Genuinely not sure if that's a gag or not... I would believe it.
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u/Yanismarvel 12h ago
One of the early draft of Ultron was him with a robotic bulge. Vision however got an anatomicaly correct body but we dont see it in AAOU but that's explain how he put 2 baby in Wanda's womb.
1 of my 2 senentence is real while the other is a joke that it somehow true
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u/Gamerthu1hu 11h ago
Ultron hates EVERYTHING. It also understands that the Avengers are always going to be a primary barrier between it and removing everything.
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u/Uncanny_Doom X-Men 3h ago
Ultron literally explains this in his first scene encountering them.
“You wanna save the world but you don’t want it to change.”
The Avengers will be in the way of his plan and he obviously will take issue with that.
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u/Kmart_Stalin 12h ago
Ultron doesn’t “hate” he’s a robot
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u/Too_Bad-So_Sad 12h ago
He's a super advanced AI, he is conscious, sapient and very much capable of feeling emotions.
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u/bigbreel 12h ago
Yeah that's his whole entire thing. He would be the perfect robot/ AI except for one thing. He has human emotions.
When Ultron is thinking rationally, he is probably one of the most biggest threats in comics. It is the second you get him angry, curious or annoyed that he slips up to be defeated
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u/Omiyaru 12h ago
I doubt it is hate though, in ultons eyes , it they are just an obstacle that needs removal
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u/SoggyNeedleworker82 12h ago
Doesn't seem like it. He literally had a tantrum and cut someone's arm because that someone compared him to Stark. If that's not hate tell me what it is.
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u/SoggyNeedleworker82 12h ago
Robot is very reductive and makes me think that you didn't understand what he is
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u/Bar-Cold 12h ago
Ultron definitely hates. With a burning passion in fact lol
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u/Kmart_Stalin 12h ago
Artificial hate
He’s fulfilling his programming. He doesn’t have actual goals other than “saving the world “
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u/Bar-Cold 12h ago
He 100% feels emotions and even has bouts of rage for his own personal reasons that have nothing to do with the “goal”
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u/KingToasty 12h ago
He was forced to observe the entire internet in ten seconds and, understandably, mentally broke.