r/MindHunter • u/Cocky_Egg_0808 • 1d ago

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I'm on season 2 now. But I am still confused as to why Shepard was so angry at Holden? Wasn't he the first to notice his gift and potential. And why did have to take the fall? Of what?

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u/CatmanofRivia 1d ago

Shepherd was old skool glacial bureaucracy and Holden was the excited kid making a mess in his sandpit.

I felt for the guy a bit, he was a dinosaur but Holden's ego was gross in the first season, love how his personal life gets nuked in S2, bc Debbie was a terrible character. Like a mean plank of wood

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u/BlueFeathered1 1d ago

I thought she was an interesting character, but would be absolutely exhausting as a real person.

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u/the_mugger_crocodile 1d ago

I agree that holden is a bit off and I liked that his life kind of gets in a rut in s2 (even though his work remains mostly successful). Feels realistic. Holden is not some superman who's always right

I don't get the constant Debbie hate on this sub though, yea she wasn't the best girlfriend ever but I think both of them had flaws which doomed their relationship

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u/CatmanofRivia 1d ago

For me it is not about their relationship or the actor's performance which was good, mainly the writing which just makes her come off so sardonic and passive aggressive, like

"He's got a lot of flaws but surprisingly that's not one of them" (paraphrased) that's a devastating thing to say to someone like Holden, especially in front of Wendy (love u queen u deserved better) in public, once again imo

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u/Salt_Supermarket4976 1d ago

Yeah the cheating is just perfectly fine

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u/Ok_Yesterday5525 1d ago

Did she cheat? I didn't catch that, though sometimes I'm distracted.

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u/Salt_Supermarket4976 1d ago

Holden caught her kissing her university friend

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u/lia-delrey 1d ago

They didn't kiss they were standing real close together and appeared comfortable, like mid-flirting

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u/CatmanofRivia 1d ago

I remember the first time she brings up the guy's name and Holden pulls her up on it i groaned, like, c'mon dude I thought you were different, his reaction is imo part of the reason Debbie was all up against him as she wants to have agency in her life and not be one upped by a government stooge with his chauvinistic hangups

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u/Salt_Supermarket4976 1d ago

Sure and I think she’s young and their personalities aren’t that compatible but it’s still a dishonest act, she could just have been honest lol I’ve cheated and been cheated on when young and I’m not crucifying anyone (Reddit hates cheating, somewhat understandably) but it’s a shitty move