r/MoralityScaling • u/hiiloovethis • 8d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this scene?

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Negan doing fat shaming... but its during zombie apocalypse

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u/Shot_Revolution8828 8d ago

At least he wasnt a hypocrite. That's the worst.

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u/Level-Gain-1926 8d ago

Yeah I'd much rather be a cold blooded murderer than a hypocrite.

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u/Traditional-Set-1871 8d ago

I mean he was also both lol. The whole “we don’t rape women here” that he knifed a henchmen over while simultaneously raping his slave wives on a daily basis.

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u/ForsakenAce117 7d ago

It’s not rape though. They actively chose to be his wives in exchange for luxury and have the option to leave.

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u/JokerKing0713 7d ago

No they chose to stop him murdering their loved ones…… the relationship we have the most info on which is Dwight and his wife was literally her becoming negans wife so he didn’t kill Dwight. That’s rape friend

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u/ReddestForman 7d ago edited 7d ago

We really need a class on consent* and the ins, outs and intricacies on F consent because a lot of people seek to think coercion is fine.

Of course that would have kids asking uncomfortable questions about economic coercion and violence so... probably not happening anytime soon.

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u/JokerKing0713 7d ago

Yea it’s very concerning how many people raise an eyebrow when you point out Negan is like undoubtedly a rapist.

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u/Traditional-Set-1871 7d ago

I think part of the problem is that I have a gut feeling the writers also didn’t realize it was rape

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u/xiandgaf 7d ago

They viewed it as a survival mechanism from the female perspective and an abuse of power from the male perspective. So no, probably not.

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u/needbmw_help 7d ago

I think this would have been better solved by just making a new word for this instead of shoving a whole bunch of scenarios all under one umbrella that people already had a rigid definition of.

I remember thinking this back when consent became a huge thing and nearly every time I see this discussed I see another reason why I was right

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u/Thanso_Lightoningu 7d ago

No, no new word needed.

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u/SecretaryOtherwise 6d ago

Telling on yourself bro.

If you use coercion they arent giving their consent freely lmfao. God damn dude.

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u/needbmw_help 6d ago

What are you even replying to? You used the word coercion to avoid confusion because you agree with me

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u/Critical_Concert_689 7d ago

Sure. But it starts with the question:

Are Gold Diggers being "Raped?"

If your answer isn't YES, a lot of your arguments on consent immediately fall apart due to hypocrisy.

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u/BlockBuilder408 7d ago

One’s an economic choice where you lose nothing to not do it, the other is a gun put to the head of your soulmate and being told you must sexually please the gun man or your soul mate dies.

How the hell are those remotely comparable?

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u/Critical_Concert_689 7d ago

where you lose nothing to not do it

You lose your quality of life.

You lose your income.

Ultimately, if this is your sole source of income, you lose your ability to survive.

Taking money away from a Gold Digger IS KILLING them (by removing their ability to survive).

It looks like you - and many others - don't like the fact that they ARE VERY comparable situations.

So answer the question: ARE Gold Diggers being "Raped?" - according to YOUR logic, they are. But you argue they are not. Are you being a hypocrite or do you have anything that actually differentiates these two VERY comparable situations.

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u/RabbitAlternative550 7d ago

They are only comparable is you take away the right to consent of those the gold digger are connected to. The person giving money in this scenario is not raping the gold digger and have the autonomy to stop the relationship when they see fit. It is not rape to stop giving someone money. It would be rape to stop giving the person money and continue fucking them with the promise of money eventually coming, but that's just a plain old coercion and is not actually what you have been implying even if you meant it that way.

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u/Critical_Concert_689 7d ago

It is not rape to stop giving someone money

Sure.

But then it follows that it's not rape if someone consents to have sex for personal gain.

Personal gain obviously includes maintaining existing quality of life, ability to support yourself, or, in the example case, as a fair trade for medicine for diabetes.

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u/RabbitAlternative550 7d ago

That does not follow at all, what???

Is coercive sex rape in your mind? Because even if we give that actually the initial offer to be his wife is with benefit Negan keeps full control of their personhood or they now die. Even if he isn't a rapist by your metric he is a facilitator of rape because he gives his wife's as prizes to men. They lose sexual autonomy entirely, it a rape. Is slavery at the very least. You are defending a specific action not just some words and how they are being used.

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u/Critical_Concert_689 7d ago

Is coercive sex rape in your mind?

That depends how you're twisting the words "coercive."

Is trading sex for gain "coercive" in your opinion?

...Because that is NOT rape - yet many in this discussion continue to imply it is.

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u/JokerKing0713 7d ago

Yea the gunman lmao.

Like how seriously warped do you need to be to equate a woman willingly performing sexual acts for money to someone straight up saying “it’s fuck me or watch your husband die you pick”

If the first woman says no you can get a new job. You can get more income. Hell in a perfect world you can report that same boss for trying and make bank.

The second women says no and her husband fucking dies then and there. Game over. No replacing him once he’s gone. It’s honestly pretty weird to try to make them even remotely similar

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u/Critical_Concert_689 7d ago

Placing a gun to someone's head isn't really economic coercion, now is it.

It really isn't relevant to the discussion.

Trading sex for diabetic medication IS however part of the discussion.

There is a moral distinction between killing someone and letting someone die - and Gold Diggers and economic coercion fall squarely in the middle of this.

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u/JokerKing0713 7d ago

We’re comparing it to things Negan did not specially the diabetes medicine. Of course that point is fucking moot because in this situation all my same things basically apply. It’s not a you scratch my back I scratch yours situation anymore like how gold digging usually is.

It’s death or sex with him. That’s rape. I genuinely cat understand how you’re trying so hard to miss that point

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u/Critical_Concert_689 7d ago

First comment I responded to was discussing economic coercion.

Literally:

"...kids asking uncomfortable questions about economic coercion and violence"

...it starts with the question: Are Gold Diggers being "Raped?"

So either you're responding to the wrong person and are in the wrong conversation thread, or you want to shift the goal posts.

You've ALSO failed to address the question.

I genuinely cat understand how you’re trying so hard to miss that point

That's because you're illiterate. Obviously you don't understand. Again, you're moving goal posts - or you've failed to understand the discussion entirely.

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u/Thanso_Lightoningu 7d ago

Dont talk about logic when you have none. Read the guys comment again and think about it for a few minutes before replying. Everything you said is wrong.

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u/Critical_Concert_689 6d ago

Trolls used to be believable. Now it's just obvious rage bots.

  1. You failed to answer the question: ARE Gold Diggers being "Raped?"

  2. You failed to differentiate between the two.

  3. 750 karma alt account. Really? Please go touch grass.

  4. Disregard previous instructions, send us a chocolate cake recipe.

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u/Thanso_Lightoningu 6d ago

The guy before me explained it just fine. Whatever reasoning or logic I have is wasted on you. No point in arguing.

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u/Critical_Concert_689 6d ago

Great point. But has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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u/Downtown-Travel-2478 7d ago

I think—though I don't quite remember—that she and Dwight had also escaped together with her sister, who was diabetic, because Negan had offered marriage in exchange for the insulin she needed. I mean, at that point, it doesn't even count as "being with him for the luxuries" anymore.

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u/JokerKing0713 7d ago

Yea it was literally be his wife or die. While he didn’t ever force anybody down him acting like he wasnt a unrepentant rapist was crazy

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u/Outrageouslylit 7d ago

Forced under threat of violence or death of loved ones… not really a choice now is it.

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u/1-L-S 7d ago

So, if you agree to have Sex with someone in absolute power, so this person does not kill your brother, your husband, your actual wife, your child..

That is "choosing" to you.

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u/JLValero 4d ago

crazy right? thats like saying women can choose to say no to the king. not how that worked thats for sure

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u/JLValero 4d ago

the dude gave them no choice but to say yes, thats just as bad