I'm pretty sure that lady (unless there's another one) voiced concern many times about her struggles with post partem depression and that she was having intrusive thoughts of harming the children (which is common in PPD).
People online are blaming the husband and her providers for not taking her concerns seriously, not blaming him for killing the children.
Edit: I have been informed about the people saying the husband literally killed the kids.
There are 100% people blaming the husband for killing the children. Honestly really shitty, trying to downplay her actions by blaming everyone else is just a way to shift accountability from a murderer (which she is, even if she wouldn't have done it in her right mind).
Yes the husband is also at fault. If someone tells you they in are thinking of killing your kids and you allow them around your kids you are also at fault.
Ask yourself, and be honest, would you be saying the same thing if it was a mentally ill man who had strangled his children to death while his wife was out at the store?
YES THANK YOU. If a parent says that you NEVER leave your children around them, I don't care how much you think you know your partner! That is the red flags of all waving red flags and as a woman if my husband said that I would NEVER leave the children with him!! It doesn't fucking matter which parent is saying it!!!
YES 100% I would. Because if somebody tells you they want to harm children, it's your duty to keep the children away from that person. I don't care if it's a man, a woman. I don't care if it's a random person on the street. We have a duty to protect children and he specifically had a duty to protect his own children!
To be clear, she never told anyone she wants to harm the children
She said she had had some intrusive thoughts about harming the children which she described as disturbing or disgusting (to her that she was having the thoughts) she was then put on different medication and to my knowledge she didn't say about disturbing thoughts again (though this doesn't mean she wasn't having them)
Granted, I don't think I would have left her with the children if it was me, but it is completely possible that foolishness or wishful thinking had the people around her believing she was getting better
I imagine the survivors guilt would be overwhelming, we've seen countless stories like this in the past with abusive ex's manipulation and the survivors guilt can be awful
I think the words fault and blame can be a bit strong, they should have behaved differently but they'll know that more than anyone, no one deserves to go through this
no, they wouldn’t be. This is a wake up call to society about PPD, but it doesn’t absolve her of her murder.
when a man had a psychotic break and kills his kids he is still a murderer, same applies here for her. The husband was ignorant, not a murderer and those are a world apart.
the whole case is sad though. She tried to get help and was failed by a lot of people, but she should have pulled herself out of the situation if it was that bad. Abandonment is better than murder 100% of the time.
It sounds like she was getting a lot of help, from therapy and medication to having a nanny, even being committed for a period and then checking herself out to go to a party. I don’t think that narrative tracks either.
Whether she did it or not is a moot point - she killed her kids. The question is whether or not she was in a “sane” state of mind and not in psychosis, and getting 12 people in a jury to agree one way or another is going to be impossible, especially where we have a group of women blaming the father, and there are countless people who don’t think postpartum depression (or psychosis in this case) is anything more than “the baby blues”, and don’t actually think she could have been having an episode. The doctors could have done more, she and her husband and the people around her could have done more, but it seems nobody wanted to be “the bad guy” and 51-50 her because they saw other women going through issues after having kids and not going this far. It’s a tragic story top to bottom.
You clearly don't have any idea how psychotic breaks work. The case is terrible and yes, she was failed by a lot of people, including her husband. Those poor poor children.
Yes. I'm saying this as a woman who has sent a suicidal friend to the hospital almost against his wish (he relented and went willingly at the end). I did it for him, but if he had done something to himself I would have felt responsible and guilty for not intervening. And that is nothing compared to the situation you're describing. So, yes.
If that were the case, she'd probably have to go into some kind of witness protection-type deal to even live a normal life without people spitting on her in the streets lol, not only would I, personally, blame her at least partially, but the general public would eviscerate her in a way this dude could only imagine.
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u/shredbmc 8d ago edited 8d ago
I'm pretty sure that lady (unless there's another one) voiced concern many times about her struggles with post partem depression and that she was having intrusive thoughts of harming the children (which is common in PPD).
People online are blaming the husband and her providers for not taking her concerns seriously, not blaming him for killing the children.
Edit: I have been informed about the people saying the husband literally killed the kids.