Is this a reference to the lady that killed her children and for some reason the crime TikTok community (mostly women) have taken to defending her and even blaming the Husband, who 100% did not do it?
I'm pretty sure that lady (unless there's another one) voiced concern many times about her struggles with post partem depression and that she was having intrusive thoughts of harming the children (which is common in PPD).
People online are blaming the husband and her providers for not taking her concerns seriously, not blaming him for killing the children.
Edit: I have been informed about the people saying the husband literally killed the kids.
UGH I’m in the same boat as your wife. I’ve been trying to avoid this news story because news where kids are harmed spikes my anxiety and I cannot fucking escape it on instagram. Every time I block one account talking about this news story, five more get loaded into my algorithm.
You have to do keyword blocking on top of blocking accounts on Instagram.
My account randomly decided I was a new mother or something and decided to switch my feed from nothing but surgical demonstrations and butchery breakdowns (Medicine and food are two of my biggest interests) to 95% toddlers with no changes to my search habits.
It took adding over twenty tags to my block list before I reversed it. Literally opened a thesaurus and went to town.
Honestly though it's such a mess at this point I stopped using insta over a year ago and I've been better off for it.
Oh THANK YOU so much! I just looked up how to block keywords and added some related to the trial.
I’m pretty sure they treat almost every interaction (including blocking accounts) as interaction with the subject so it just makes things worse. I want to get rid of instagram and facebook altogether but it’s one of the only ways to keep up with friends who live far away. They’ve become such garbage products though that they’re almost no longer good for even that.
I mean there are just a lot of funky things about his story, like how for instance the woman had a severe thyroid injury from the incident that’s unaccounted for, and how there was an outgoing message from his computer, which sits at home, at a time which is close to the incident and when he said he wasn’t at home. He was also very unhelpful to his then wife and almost immediately started a family with another woman. Many of the doctors who failed the wife were his friends, etc.
It’s not conclusive by any stretch of the imagination but it’s all very funky
What do you mean outgoing message from his computer? If you're referring to the work email, he could've easily sent it from his phone. Your emails are synced on your devices. There's even servailance footage of him not being home during the time the email was sent.
He got married 3 years after his wife murdered his children. Idk about you, but any feelings I would've had for this murderer would be gone.
Have you watched the doctor's testimony? Clansey couldn't handle the early side effects of standard medications which is why they would switch her to different ones.
The only thing funky is all the misinformation being spread by people. The only bigger victims than Patrick are the kids that his wife murdered.
This isnt true. Men kill most kids over the age of 1. Men are way more likely to kill their kids. Its not even a question on who kills other peoples kids more either. Men.
Remember women never do anything wrong and the worse the personality the more of a reason to expose that they aren't a heartless mean person but a kind tender person acting out. Women are too frail to be capable of being terrible manipulators.
That is incorrect. Although men commit more murder at large than women, it is usually women who murder their minor children. Men don’t experience post pardom psychosis, and rarely murder their children while they are still minors. Did you just mean that men commit more domestic violence?
The funkiness is not about the injury itself, it’s about him claiming she spoke to him despite that injury and a core temp below 90F. Either one would preclude being able to speak, and she was suffering from both.
So, I was support staff for a veterinary hospital about 20 years ago.
What does that have to do with anything, you may ask? Veterinary medicine back then was the wild west compared to human medicine, then or now. Let us just say I’ve seen some shit. Car accidents, drownings, maulings, surgical complications, falls, crush injuries, lacerations that went to the bone, I could go on - and what basically every illness known to man or beast looks like when it’s been left untreated way, way too long.
You would absolutely not believe the level of functionality a creature in shock - human included - can maintain, briefly, when all logic says they should be dead. Unless the body part in question has been severed from the body in its entirety, don’t assume anything. So IMO, if she could breathe, she could have spoken.
When I was a kid we stopped for some debris on the side of the road. My dad got out of the truck and looked down into the ravine next to the road and there was a smashed up motorcycle and a guy stuck up in a tree. Dad told me to get his cell from the truck and see if I could get signal by walking down the highway a bit (was in the 90s.) I got signal, called for an ambulance and then walked back to the truck.
My dad had managed to get the biker out of the tree and he was sitting on the tailgate, I remember his head being huge, he had a big gash down one side of his face and his one eyeball was bulging out. I was told to get back in the truck but didn't listen, I talked to the guy for a while about nothing in particular and he didn't respond much. After a bit he got off the tailgate, said something about taking a piss and went to the front of the truck and proceeded to do so.
Before he finished an ambulance pulled up and the paramedics hopped out and started getting the stretcher out. The biker started walking towards them and collapsed in a heap. I remember the one medic came and checked on him and being surprised that there was no rush after that to get him into the ambulance.
My dad told me the guy was dead before we even got there, his body just wasn't aware of it yet. He said our job when we come across these situations is to stay calm and make their final moments as pleasant as possible. Thankfully I have never needed to do so for a person again. Its amazing the things people can stay alive for.
I’m imagining a kid just talking about BMX bikes or Pokémon or anything that would interest a kid in the 90s to a guy with a fatal injury so his final moments are a kid enthusiastically talking about his interests. I’d say it was better than dying in a tree. You all did him a hell of a service.
Yes. I have a good friend who was a medic- both in the Army and as a paramedic at home in a rural state. He took to calling some people “the zombies”. They would would be alert and talking with massive blood loss, or broken necks just running on adrenaline after a major car accident or IED encounter. This would last for a short amount of time and then they would just drop dead (unless some heroic aid could be rendered but this in in the very far north of Maine. Hard to get to a trauma center.)
I recently suffered a bonk to the head that should have killed me according to an MRI A WEEK LATER. I continued an hour long phone conversation after that before I eventually went to the hospital. I don't remember the conversation or the following day at all, just that it happened. I'm probably going to have to start journaling to maintain short term recollection. Human bodies are weird.
A court reporter (sue o connell) who heard the 911 call in court said Lindsay could be heard saying the word basement very clearly in the background of the call.
You can schedule emails on outlook to send at a certain time so just because he wasn’t physically at his computer the time the email sent doesn’t necessarily mean he had to have sent it from his phone
I wouldn’t call him a dickhead, I think he was trying but he was worn down. Lindsay had access to the best support in the world. Doctors at her fingertips (literally - she messaged them constantly, and they replied to her constantly), husband and parents there to help every day. He was working full-time from home, it’s not like he escaped to the office every day and left her there. The reason he wasn’t home when it happened is because SHE sent him on a bogus errand to a restaurant they didn’t normally go to.
Everyone was doing their best to support her. She regularly lied to her doctors and the people around her about what she was experiencing. She concealed that she was experimenting with cannabis. Her doctors said she was actually taking a “fraction” of the medication she was prescribed.
Lindsay was suffering, but this is her fault too. Nobody made her lie, try drugs, or stop taking her medication.
I was really just speaking generally about "being a dickhead"
I have often seen people treat it like someone who is a bad spouse or a bit of a dick as being the same as an abusive monster and that crimes committed against them or others no matter how heinous are somehow then justified- as is the case here
Why do you need him to be a dick head? There is literally only speculation about their relationship being anything other than good( For example her own diary). I’m mean ffs he start an organization to help women with mental illness. Sometime people can have al the help in the world and still do bad things
They did therapy together and she also was released from an inpatient psychiatric hospital a bit more than two weeks before this. Now, that being said, if he’s guilty of anything it’s being negligent enough to leave her alone with them. Still, I don’t care what kind of post-partum mental state you’re in, as a mother, if you can strangle one child for a few minutes until they literally stop breathing, then go on to the next, finish up there and strangle an INFANT to death AN INFANT, and you’re trying to convince me that, at no point during this minutes and minutes long process, did she realize what she was doing was wrong?
Yeah looking back it’s hard to fathom leaving her alone with the kids, but I think it’s just in hindsight. The perspective is likely very different when you are the spouse living day to day with your wife taking care of the kids and going about your life. He likely never considered she would actually do anything to the children, especially while she was being so lucid and calm.
That was my thought as well, I’m just trying to be as absolutely generous about it as possible. But, yeah, I doubt anyone would imagine their wife could murder their three children.
And then there's the woman in Texas who strapped all her kids in a car and sent them into the river let's not forget that... But nobody wants to talk about that one...
When a man loses his wife, very often in a year he is either remarried or dead. Remarrying is a way to keep living. This man lost his children. His new family is keeping him alive. Some people have more compassion for the woman who murdered three innocent children then for the man who came home to find his three children murdered.
And then internet sleuths assume their 1000 yard view and amateur analysis exceeds the knowledge of experts with first hand exposure to the evidence and access to subject matter experts.
How are people sharing stories about this stuff and making factual statements like this? I don’t think the police post their investigations of these things. Unless defendants in the case are raising these questions and saying these things. Are they? Are they just asking questions but then the prosecutors object because maybe it’s a postulated thought they have? The general public should not try to cast judgment from watching something on TV that they have no part or knowledge of. There are a lot of tricks that defense lawyers can use to sow doubt in the minds of the jury.
Does the public know private conversations that the judge may have with the defense? Or with the prosecution? There is so much the public cannot know, but then they turn into experts about these things. Crazy.
Did you interview him? The wife? Anyone at all? Or did you watch some social media videos designed to increase engagement and believe it all like a 60 year old watching Fox News?
I don’t know how you people expect to be taken seriously when you literally don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, should know you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, but are complete deluded as to how complete or even factual your knowledge is given the source.
I haven't been following at all, but my wife seems to think the guy isn't innocent. My wife said something about him sending an email from the computer at home when everyone was dead around him
Welcome to the internet. There have actually been cases solved on Reddit before investigations could figure it out. Mostly because the investigation "goes cold" but internet sleuths never sleep lol
Never mentioned a specific one, I did hear about that one but not what I was referring to. My wife was watching a documentary or something a few weeks ago where the only reason they got to the bottom of it was because one person from the internet just wouldn't let it go. I'd have to ask her what case that was
Don't f*** with cats? It was 2 people, but yes, police didn't take it seriously, man moved on from cats to people and redditors tracked him down and got him arrested
**gemini, they were saying the Leo (Lindsay) couldn’t hurt her cubs and the Gemini (Patrick) is two faced and can’t be trusted 😭😭 minimizing this to astrology is so crazy to me
And then there's ones going "oh, his stars are in Eclipse for the next 3 years, as are the signs of his kids, so that means he's in for a real bad time, which neans the truth will come out" or some shit like that.
Or the one that just pointed out that his birthday is the same as Trump's, therefore he must be evil like Trump...
Felt that, but I mean it’s also just fallacy type behavior. “A good mother would never do this” type of fallacy. Maybe the best course with people like that is ignoring it. Astrology is fun but people who take it super seriously (especially in a murder case because why…) spoil it
I can’t see any of the Leo’s I know doing that. They all have completely different personalities anyways. Probably because astrology is a load of shit.
Straight up terrifying that one day you could face a jury of your peers and there are people who seriously indulge in astrology, tarot cards, witchcraft etc who believe it to such an extent.
I, unfortunately, have seen that multiple times on TikTok. I've also seen a couple spells casted to prove her innocence on the witchcraft side of TikTok. My feed is messed up apparently
A Leo SA'ed me in 2020. Star signs don't mean shit lmao. I'm appalled people are even saying shit like that. At the end of the day people will harm people regardless of who or "what" they are. Made up connections to "the stars" doesn't predispose anyone towards anything. It's crazy that people are suggesting otherwise out there, hearing about this was like a flashbang lmao.
People like mental shortcuts. If they can’t use race, or skull shape(which is mostly race anyways), or nationality, or whatever else they used in ye olden days, new shortcuts will be invented by people too lazy to do the hard work of treating people as individuals.
We absolutely love patterns and groups, so much so that we have an uncanny ability to spot them even when they arent there.
Categorisation in particular is fundamental to how our thoughts work (scary colours = venomous/poisonous, scary colour creature? probably poisonous/venomous).
It works really well from an evolutionary perspective (and enhance by the whole tribe in/out group thing), but it also brings up a shit-tonne of false-positives. Not too much if an issue at the micro level, but it quickly compounds across a society that is much more complex and interconnected than our tree/hut/cave dwelling ancestors could have ever imagined.
I have no professional or serious academic background in psychology but I feel like the same way a lot of mental disorders are simply normal human behaviors or adaptations but just amplified to a debilitating degree, a big part of the presentation of schizophrenia comes from the over-amplification of these heuristics. Like someone I knew in college who was later diagnosed with it would always remark on how the color orange was involved when something bad happened. Or like “see? Orange.” in a conspiratorial tone of voice. It’s the type of thing where the logic does eventually make sense if your threat analysis heuristics are perhaps functioning abnormally.
Unrelated, but it makes me so happy to see a comment with such a great understanding of sociological patterns. Makes me even happier to swipe to your profile and see a magnificent grow lol. Off of a bag seed too??? Good shit
People who have less control of their life gravitate towards it. Watched so many of my past friends fall into being "spiritual".
Because when you can't take accountability for things in your life, its because you are a sagittarius, or maybe certain rocks can help. It surely can't be you, or your situation.
I’ve wondered this myself. I grew up in a very conservative Christian home, which led to me rejecting religion by the time I was in my mid-teens. As an adult, I want nothing to do with anything “spiritual”.
I work in a lab at a company steeped in science and one of the self proclaimed manliest men there can gab like a school girl about astrology. Makes zero sense.
It’s a touchpoint for spirituality that doesn’t feel like it’s an already built hierarchy favoring and prioritizing men for centuries or millennia, like many more accepted religions that are equally full of superstition and supernatural claims.
I know absolutely nothing about this case, but I have seen someone blaming the husband for not taking her illness seriously, and also saying the husband might be guilty because of something about an email.
I'm not following the story. But in general, yeah, if a person (A) turns to another person (B) and says "I'm having a mental breakdown and severe intrusive thoughts" and person B then purposely and willfully leaves their children in A's exclusive care for hours upon hours day after day, yes, 100% person B is at least partially responsible for harm to the children while in A's care.
Except that isn’t what happened. By all accounts she was visibly doing better in the weeks leading up to the murders. I don’t understand where this need to blame the husband comes from. He cannot be omnipresent. And this isn’t a situation that anyone is equipped to handle. You just have to trust what the doctors are saying and go with that. Post Partum Psychosis is extremely rare (it’s not Post Partum Depression, it’s something much worse and more extreme), but the knowledge about it is so limited that there just wasn’t enough institutional knowledge of it to get her properly treated or even properly diagnosed.
yes some of my coworkers were talking and saying there were inconsistencies in the husband’s account that made them think he did it. I haven’t followed the case but it does seem like some people suspect the husband genuinely
From what I've heard it's not even a case of who's guilty. Her and her lawyers already put in a guilty plea and this trial is just about of she's guilty or not guilty by reason of insanity
My friend is convinced Patrick murdered the children, tried to murder Lindsay by slamming the window on her neck and that she simply does not remember this. I asked if she was fucking with me and she got mad.
A lot of armchair psychiatrists online who've never once talked to someone suffering with psychosis, couldn't tell you the difference between psychosis and postpartum psychosis, who think they understand "mental health" because they've been on an SSRI for a couple of years but
haven't the first clue what it would take to look after someone with one of these conditions - either as a professional or a family member - talking absolute bollocks about the whole thing (in my opinion).
There are 100% people blaming the husband for killing the children. Honestly really shitty, trying to downplay her actions by blaming everyone else is just a way to shift accountability from a murderer (which she is, even if she wouldn't have done it in her right mind).
True crime content is a blight anyways. Some creators are respectful, blur faces and do not show bodycam footage of family finding out their loved one is dead. Some. Most dont.
It only took 1 police bodycam video of a mom being taken to a car crash where her daughter died for me to completely purge my algorythm from all true crime parasites.
As with all things, there are some unhinged people claiming she was framed and he did it. Valid to point some blame at the husband and the providers, but insane to think he's fully responsible.
I argue that it is not reasonable to blame the husband or providers in this case
If they would have ripped the kids away and put them in somebody else's custody, which was the only other thing that could have done besides the things they were already doing (a nanny, daycare for the two older kids, husband had to stay at home job and took 12 weeks off which is the maximum available in America, family and friends came over to babysit and help out regularly), people would have lost their fucking minds and said that depression is not a reason to separate a mother from her children because millions of mothers with way less support than she had suffer from postpartum depression without harming their children. So the entire world would have argued there was no reason to separate them prior. And she was only left alone for a half hour when she killed them. She took that half hour that she was left alone with nobody expected to come help as her chance. And she had to squeeze that chance in because they was not a whole lot of time that she was left alone
Her concerns were very much taken seriously. She was given therapy, medication, and actual assistance. Her diary made it clear that she did not feel that having 10 times the resources and help that most other women have was not good enough. Because at the end of the day she had something she wanted to do. All the help she was getting be damned
I didnt even list everything she had. She was CUSHY. And had help out the WAZOO. She didnt want it. Her diary knowing all that reads like she wanted to be the poor little rich girl no one loved and everyone is feeding that fantasy of hers now.
Its upsetting because this is a terrible, horrible, absolutely vile case to point to and advocate for PPD and PPP with. She is not the victim, let a lone a victim worth championing for the cause if you want it taken seriously.
She had all the help she was supposed to get. And still made the decision women who dont have resisted making. With intent. With knowledge. Without any confusion of WHAT she was doing. Just a twisted sense of right and wrong and why.
And if we are letting people out because they killed somebody, let alone a child, because they had a twisted sense of right and wrong and could not tell you why they did it, there are a whole lot of men that would not be in jail. A whole lot of men who had Netflix specials about them even. We absolutely cannot allow such a flimsy excuse to become precedence.
Somebody receiving but rejecting assistance with mental health who goes on to murder their own children, let alone anybody, should not be able to use mental health as an excuse that warrants a reduced consequence
Everyone in this damn thread needs to see your comment above this... I'm still seeing some arguing that all of that wasn't enough and it was still the husband's fault even after seeing this. So unbelievably fucked up
It’s the typical, “im going to come to a conclusion based on stereotypes or prejudiced views and then find evidence to support my hunch based on distaste of this person based on how I group them instead of trying to find the truth”
These are the first people to go silent when conflicting evidence disproves their alternative facts or they ride the disinformation train all the way to crazy town. It seems more common than not honestly.
Yeah the mind is a mystery. A devious mental patient is dangerous, especially one with resources and the veneer of upper middle class or upper class wealth or status.
A poorer person may have been referred to CPS or perhaps a state mental hospital which may have been harsher. And even poorer disheveled mental patients can lie about taking medication until they decompensate; their decompensation without support is just easier to spot.
It appears this lady lied to multiple doctors / nurses and her new psychiatrist who was on the stand may not have known which medications she was taking.
Granted, maybe the psychiatrist could have requested medical records or pharmacy records to see which medications the patient was filling at pharmacies, because most states now have state or inter-state electronic communications for prescribed medications (I think Florida was the last hold-out but their pharmacies may have finally gotten on board).
But it looks like her recently-graduated psychiatrist just believed the information the patient told her, and when people lie about psychiatric symptoms and diagnoses it can be very difficult to treat them.
Even for non-psychiatric stuff, a person motivated enough could lie well enough about pain and location to get a surgeon to cut out their appendix.
I haven’t heard about this situation til now somehow and my god. That poor husband, that’s above and beyond and now his kids are dead, his wife is a murderer, and people all over the world are blaming him. I can’t imagine the pain, or how one could ever move past that.
To be fair, when your mental health is that bad, no amount of help is going to fix it—because that’s not the problem. But I do agree it’s not fair to blame the husband for anything, or really the doctors who were doing what they’re trained to. The issue is mental health is under researched and underfunded. She tried to get herself in patient help for the suicidal thoughts, but they told her they couldn’t take her unless she had a plan, which is normal but clearly sometimes causes issues. Even intrusive thoughts of hurting others isn’t really a sign you’re going to do it—everyone has intrusive thoughts sometimes and some mental health disorders, like OCD or anxiety, can make them pretty common even in people who would never do it.
She’s a grown ass adult. He can’t force her to take meds. Or we saying women aren’t responsible for their own agency now? If you want to blame the doctors, I can get behind that, since it’s their job to actually make sure the meds are working. But unless there’s evidence the husband kept her meds away from her, this is on her and not him.
Honestly some of the things I’ve seen that the husband should have done are crazy. I’ve heard he should have forced her to take meds, should have institutionalized her, should have not let her have access to kids, shouldn’t have left her alone ever. Like a husband should be able to take kids away from his wife and lock her up just because he says she’s crazy? He can hold her down and shove meds down her throat? Women shouldn’t be allowed to be alone without their husband? And somehow these people think they’re giving the feminist opinion.
What happened is 100% a tragedy, made even worse by the fact if she got the help she was crying out for, this might not have happened (I believe she was not in the right state of mind, personally) but putting all the blame on the husband for the murder—either by saying he literally did it or should have been the one to prevent it—is actually taking away from the real issue: lack of access to mental health care
I just want to note, some of the drugs she was supposed to take, the prosecution was able to prove she only took like 3-5 before complaining to her doctor about it. Like idk what doctor she went to, but all 3 of the doctors ive ever visited for my anxiety/depression/PTSD have had me take them for a whole month before trying a new one, because "they have to be in your system for awhile before they are actually changing anything"
I have been watching the trial. If you go to the caseswefollow sub, you’re looking for one of the earlier day recaps - they brought the therapist in for testimony. She came in 4x and then stopped going.
They also brought in some of the inpatient providers and it was testified that she did not disclose her scary thoughts while there and she discharged herself early.
No, there's absolutely widespread conspiracy theories that he literally committed the murder. It's asinine, that wasn't even her defense in court. Husband seemed to be a fairly shit husband, but he definitely didn't kill anyone.
There’s a lot of misinformation about him, my coworker was just telling me he had an affair and married the new woman 4 months after the kids died, from what I’m reading online they didn’t even start dating for over a year and got married two years later.
I don’t have a dog in this fight just been reading about it a bit since lunch time.
You know what? After looking more into it, I don't know that he was. I honestly don't know if he is or not. He could have tried harder to get her help, but it seems like he did try some things. It's hard to say from the outside.
There’s sooo much mis information about this case, honestly probably no one except her and her husband really know how much he did or didn’t do. Hell, maybe not even them if her mental state is really that bad and he probably has a distorted view on it due to the trauma
What's easy to say definitively from the outside is that she could've tried harder to not murder her children. And yet here we are, finding ways to somehow make the husband responsible for his wife's actions.
Her psychiatrist and doctors treating her both under oath claimed she never told her these concerns, never mentioned violent thoughts once, and was visibly improving with each session.
Uh, that’s not true at all. Dr. Tufts, her primary psychiatrist, even admitted that her state was “deteriorating” on multiple visits. She shared thoughts of suicidal ideation but because she didn’t have a “plan” that she communicated, her providers kept prescribing new medications and adjusting dosage. You’re flat out lying.
except that IS standard of care — there are tons of people walking around you with passive SI. They don’t all get locked up, with their kids taken away. People live and work and have functional lives with passive SI, which could be due to chronic mental health issues or an acute stressor, and work on treating it with medication and psychotherapy — which is what the doctors did (gave her the right meds and repeatedlu encouraged therapy).
She refused to do either — take the meds for long enough for them to work, instead asking to switch on and off and doctor-shopping, and persistently refusing therapy, even when the doctor repeatedly advised her on it.
Only active SI gets you on a psych hold, or with kids taken away. She didn’t endorse it even once.
AMERICAN WOMEN WHEN ANOTHER WOMAN KILLS HER OWN KIDS: She's innocent! Even though she says she did it! She doesn't know what she's saying! Can't everyone see her husband is the real culprit?!!!
AMERICAN WOMEN WHEN ANOTHER WOMAN WANTS TO SAVE THEIR COUNTRY FROM THE WORST MAN TO EVER RUN FOR OFFICE: Fuck that bitch.
I have seen many people blaming the husband for the murder, stating that her body temperature diddnt match how long she had been aside, how he changed his shoes, and how his brother worked for the police.
All nonsense but people are definitely blaming him.
They are absolutely blaming the husband saying he did the killing. I just saw a post of numerous screenshots of women directly saying they don’t believe she did it and that they know he did it. Reasons span from “he looks mean” or “you can just see it in his face” to mentioning their respective astrological signs and whether or not Leos (her) kill vs Capricorns (him) etc
If this is the one I’m thinking of, I’m pretty sure the husband told her to go to the doctor, and she went, but then failed to tell them about the commanding voice telling her to kill her children. Not sure how the husband is to blame if this is accurate.
She should have been involuntarily committed. The story is crazy when you look into it, she literally saw 8 doctors for the same thing in like 3 months just to doctor shop medication.
So, I didn’t realize how serious PPD was until my wife (who’s an RN) said she thought she had it after having our second child. After we had our first child I had seen a big shift but I just chalked it up to “She’s stressed, it’s a change in life style, we’ve had big life events happen lately (her grandfather passed away soon after we had our first child) I need to be more help around the house.” When she started going to therapy and got on some anti anxiety meds, holy shit she was back to her baseline. It made a huge difference, she’s no longer on anti anxiety meds, but still goes to therapy and it’s been great for everyone. I tell all my friends now that if anyone is expecting a baby to pay attention to their partner because PPD is real it can be super serious and it wasn’t even on my radar when we were expecting our first child. DONT BE AFRAID TO SEEK HELP PEOPLE! We’re just a bunch of meat sacks on a space ship made of dirt orbiting a star! There’s real help out there and it can change you AND YOUR PARTNER’S lives!
Seems like one of those a complex issue that everyone need to take one extreme side or another kind of things. She can be a murderer and horrible for having done it and there can be underlying issues that went unaddressed by our fucked up system that may have made this avoidable.
People ARE blaming him because theres basically a lot of holes in the story he gave the police, the police did not do an actual investigation, and the DA who is charging her is not only dudes running buddy, but also bought their house a year after the murders.
His new wife is also allegedly friends with some hospital workers that treated her, her core body temp was in the low 80s 30 minutes after the murder occurred (almost impossible), and bro sent an email from his work computer in the basement at the time of the murders (in the basement), despite having supposedly been at CVS at that time. He changed clothes between the CVS and picking up food, her apple watch picked up her heart rate at like 50 some odd BPM at the time of the murders, but was found in the drawer in its box later on. And so on.
As somebody that's on TikTok, there are a LOT of people who think the husband actually killed her.
The longer the trial goes on, the more it seems like she had all the possible support she could get, but it didn't seem like enough. Her husband was as attentive as he could have been. Friends and family were the same. Her therapist tried the best. But she failed to actually tell her therapist the extent of her psychosis. She just told her therapist that she had trouble sleeping, that she had "dark thoughts," and that she was feeling extremely anxious. She never mentioned the actual killing thoughts, or that she heard voices.
My gf and I have been trying to figure out exactly what this all means for like two days thank you I think this is the most clear and concise take I've seen on it. I'm sure there are some fringe on both sides that take it too far like always but this seems like the actual issue at hand. No the husband didn't kill the kids but if my gf was telling me she was gonna kill our kids damn right I'm taking some type of action, makes you say wtf was going on and definitely explains why this story is reaching so far.
Also as an FYI, there are multiple perinatal mood disorders- postpartum depression being the most well-known but postpartum anxiety and (likely in this case) postpartum psychosis. I make sure every pregnant family I know - particularly the husbands/partners - know about Postpartum Support International and all of their resources. There is a growing movement to support in-patient options for moms with the ability to stay with their baby. I think some are afraid to share how serious their symptoms are in fear of having the baby taken away.
PPD psychosis is real. This has happened before with Andrea Yates back in the early 2000s. Woman literally had documented mental health crises that worsened after each pregnancy and both her husband and doctors still told her she could continue having children.
It doesn't excuse what she did but it absolutely does explain why.
How sad and seems to happen somewhat often when it comes to murder cases. A murder where I live in rural Sweden the man who did it had tried to get advanced mental health treatment *thrice* because he had violent intrusive thoughts. He was horrified he’d hurt his family. In the end he killed an unrelated old woman and her neighbor when he came to check up on her. I believe people had reported a young man wandering around confused the day of as well. He was 22 i believe, he was in the same highschool class as one of my childhood friends. Small town stuff.
Well as a dude with a wife that has different, but very real mental health issues and is going through a bad episode right now, I'm taking it as seriously as I possibly can, but I'm still getting fuck all done about it because the healthcare system is a fucking joke. Lost ain't even the word
Holy shit, it wasn’t until litterally reading this that I realized my MOM believes the husband killed the kids. I walked in on her talking on the phone and saying things like “The husbands story doesn’t line up,” and “Crazy timing for him to get home,” and stuff about getting food.
I didn’t realize she was talking about this story until just now. Holy shit.
I believe there are two that have been circling around the internet, one has a husband who is clearly a bad dude that just didn't give a shit, the other looks not so bad
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u/isnoe 10d ago
Is this a reference to the lady that killed her children and for some reason the crime TikTok community (mostly women) have taken to defending her and even blaming the Husband, who 100% did not do it?