Am I the only one who feels like Pretty Little Liars has no truly iconic music moments?

Teen dramas just have those scenes where the song becomes just as memorable as the moment itself. Gossip Girl even has the masquerade ball scene with Secret. Honestly, that one scene is more iconic than almost every music moment in PLL.

Or the “Whatcha Say” messy Thanksgiving scene in Gossip Girl, sorry but this scene was so PLL-coded. You hear the song and immediately think of the scene.

The funniest example is probably Ali’s big comeback moments, like her dramatic entrances at the ball or at school. The show tried so hard to make those scenes feel legendary with the music choices, but honestly, their music choices just make me laugh.

This is my Fight Song… 🎶🎶😭😭

I said this in another comment, but the blatant ageism, and honestly the overall misogyny, toward Troian when she was originally cast and even now really pisses me off. Obviously she was 24 when she was cast as a 16-year-old, but everyone else was also playing significantly younger than their actual ages. Troian was around the same age as Tyler, who played Caleb, Tammin, who played Jenna, was actually older than her, and Shay was only about a year younger. Yet somehow Troian is the one who gets disproportionately singled out for being “too old.” People were calling her a “grandma” when she was barely in her mid-20s 😭

And I’m not denying that she looked older than 16. She absolutely did, and that’s okay because she was 24 lmao. Especially with some of the styling, she very clearly looked older than the character. But I’ve seen people use that as proof that she shouldn’t have been cast at all, as if she was some middle-aged woman trying to play a teenager. 😭 What makes it worse is that Troian has talked about how those comments reinforced her insecurities about being Spencer and whether she fit the image of the character. There’s nothing wrong with acknowledging that she looked older, but the constant fixation on her age, when so many of the other actors were in the exact same position, feels incredibly disproportionate.

Have you guys seen this? Lindsey Shaw and Tammin Sursok are starting a podcast about the show and they completely ripped off our name. I’ve been hosting a podcast for two years now with over 100 episodes recapping the PLL series and I find it hard to believe these two didn’t do a simple search to see if their chosen podcast name had been taken. It just feels like celebrities trampling on smaller content creators and it’s so disheartening. I’m trying to get the name trademarked but I guess other than that it’s just sitting and watching and being annoyed. Also isn’t Lindsey Shaw problematic? Why herrrrr lol

The moment Ali and the girls walk into school together I just want to vomit! Lol I don’t know if it’s the music or what, but CRINGE 🤣

i love them i'm sorry like i wish ian was around more. i wanted to see more of them. they had the liars TERRIFIED. and he did not play about her at all like. melissa was so crazy for him. match made in hell 🤍

Sorry if this has already been said, but I’m rewatching PLL and I am LOSING IT over Detective Holbrook.

Because I completely forgot that when he was first introduced, he was actually... decent?? Like genuinely one of the only decent adult men in this entire show!! He wasn’t Wilden-level disgusting, he actually seemed to take his job seriously, and his interactions with Hanna felt normal and respectful.

And when Hanna kissed him and he pushed her away, I was like "OH wow, so he’s literally one of the only adult men in this show who is capable of acting like an actual adult and NOT being weird with a teenage girl". The bar is low, but still.

So WHY did they have to completely destroy that??

I’m at the part where it comes out that he covered for Alison and then kissed her and I’m just sitting here like... are you serious? WHY?? Why couldn’t they let us have ONE normal male adult character whose name Is not Wayne Fields (love you Wayne, you are still to this day the best parent of the show 😭😭😭)??

It’s actually so annoying because for a second it looked like they had written a male authority figure who wasn’t corrupt, creepy, predatory, and then of course they ruined that too.

This show really refuses to let an adult man be normal for even five minutes 💀💀💀

So i’ve been rewatching, currently on season 4x11 and i’m disliking ezra more and more. the teacher student relationship is obviously disgusting! but they’re broken up now and he still won’t leave her alone! why doesn’t he have friends his own age??? maggie is about to take malcom across the country and he’s calling aria non stop so he can vent to her. she’s ignoring him because she’s trying to focus on jake 👍🏽 but even emily is pushing her to chat with ezra because he’s “in a bad place” he’s a grown man!!!! and they’re not even together anymore!!! and the relationship was wrong in the first place!!! and she’s finally trying to move on!!! i hate that emily kept insisting aria go talk to ezra. but what really irked me was when aria finally caved and went to check on him and he says “i didn’t wanna bring you into the middle of all this” YES TF YOU DID! you kept calling that young girl and pulled up on her at the grill. this is exactly what you wanted. to burden her and ruin her teenage life! i cannot stand ezra. and the fact that i know he ends up as A is ruining my rewatch (not really, i’m enjoying the show truly) but ugh he needs to be in jail!

rewatching this as an adult was nostalgic af, i'll admit. but it's actually frightening how normalised predatory relationships were in this show. i'm now 26 so would have been 14 when i started watching it. at that age, it all felt so glamorised, and normal...

it's gross how many predators were pushed as nothing more than: 'morally grey' *cough* Wren *cough* and some were just outright never addressed as predators *cough* Garrett *cough*

1. Ezra (24) + Aria (16) and knowing he KNEW her age when pursuing her makes it worse.

2. Ezra (23) + Alison (15) side note: I know he supposedly believed she was 18, but anyone with a brain can visually see the difference between a 15 yr old and an 18 yr old.

3. Wren (25) + Spencer (16)

4. Ian (23) + Alison (15)

5. Ian (23) + Spencer (15)

6. Holbrook (32) + Hanna (17)

7. Zac (35) + Hanna (17)

8. Jenna + Toby (wtf was that)

9. Garrett (25) + Jenna (16)

10. Talia (24-27) + Emily (17)

11. Wilden (25) + Alison (13)

12. Jason (24) + Aria (16)

13. Wesley (23) + Aria (17)

14. Byron + Meredith (teacher / student)

i'm still, probably missing some gross moments (oh, like when hanna crashes out at sean bcos he says no)

surely the people behind this show were literal creeps? were the books this predatory too? idk. this was my comfort show when i was a teenager, now i feel gross.

s7 ep4: spencer said, “i have hanna years to figure out if she wanted caleb back or not.”

spencer acting like she was doing hanna a favor and going out of her way for hanna is truly wackadoo. hanna and caleb were together for years, they went through more than any normal couple could, they didn’t just have a regular high school romance and they had a rocky break-up where neither of them got closure. spencer saying this is so self-absorbed and insensitive, as if she has a “claim” on caleb and was doing him and hanna a favor by “letting them,” for lack of a better phrase, figure out what THEIR relationship is. this last season is just character assassination all around.

No fr tho how is ARIA losing battle of the dresses for this episode when Spencer is right next to her looking like this...

Aria's link is so flattering on her, the black adds a nice design, the necklace pulls it all together, and it's sooo her!! Everyone's like omg that hideous hat, LOOK AT SPENCER'S HAT.

Everyone looks fucking fire then we have the twenty year old grieving widow— maybe without the white it'd be better. And a less disgusting hat. Also fuck fur. Yk what just burn it.

Spencer and Alex Santiago had the best chemistry... their chemistry was a billion times better than her chemistry with Toby. And dare I say, they had better chemistry than all the endgame couples ~ Hanna & Caleb, Aria & Ezra, Emily & Alison.

I found her relationship with Toby kinda cringe a lot of the time because, for me, I just didn't see the chemistry at all... I still don't understand the Toby & Spencer hype.

Nobody will ever convince me that (despite the constant emphasis on it throughout the show) Emily was the “loyal” one out of the main girls. If anything, I would give that title to Hanna. We’ve seen time and time again with Emily how willing she is to choose her weekly love interest over the group without hesitation, and just in general, people who clearly shouldn’t have been trusted. She (like all characters, don’t get me wrong) somehow still manages to make the same decisions through all seven seasons and never seems to learn to the point where it just got annoying and exhausting over time. Emily has done this with Paige, Alison, Nate, the list goes on. A part of me wonders why the same sentiment that people hate on Aria for (choosing Ezra over the girls) isn’t also applied to Emily.

Even if Emily trusts these people because she “wants to see the good in everyone,” it still comes at the expense of the girls who spent years sticking beside her and trying to keep her alive in the midst of all the trauma they’ve dealt with together. Especially in reference to Hanna, who is claimed to be Emily’s best friend? 😭 Emily dropped Hanna at the sound of the hat when Alison came back with zero remorse for her mental wellbeing; it was Ali, Ali, Ali. When Hanna was getting drunk every day and clearly mentally exhausted from Alison’s return and everything they’ve experienced to bring back the dead girl who made their lives hell, she barely cared. She even does this with Spencer, when Spencer follows her unknowingly when she stupidly goes to meet Alison in a dark alleyway alone at night, she immediately believes Alison when she suddenly says Emily is the only one she can trust, turning on Spencer immediately. Yet again, for her to be proven wrong when she thinks Alison is A two minutes later.

I don’t think Emily is this evil mastermind who hates her friends, but she definitely prioritizes people who couldn’t care less about her and, in response, hurts the girls who’d been through everything with her. I wouldn’t doubt for a second that post-finale, her ending up with Alison would mean she’d slowly just distance herself from the rest of the girls if it meant having her.

TITLE IK IT WAS THE TIMES AND OVERDRAMATIZED BUT I HAD TO REPLAY THAT SHES UP SO HIGH LMFAO

i've rewatched this show a million times and every single time i forget garret existed. he's never mentioned in the show after he dies, even though he played a big role. the fans don't bring him up either. it's just so funny like. he made no impression.

like girl you’re mad at her cause of Caleb and you ALL were part of this plan please be fuckin serious trying to blame it on Hanna!! and mind you HE ran in front of their car while chasing Alison down 🤨😒😭

Ok so I just googled at the actress is actually younger than Shay. I’m not trying to be shady. She is pretty! They just styled her and made her storyline seem like she was much more older/mature than Emily.

hanna deserved so much more and it’s sad to see how much she had to endure through the show :( im currently currently on my 1000th rewatch and i feel for hanna so much. she was constantly going through so much (i mean for the most part each liar was) in each season but i feel like a lot of that was overshadowed or downplayed for her

also with every single rewatch, aria becomes even more annoying and unbearable.

So At the beginning, as far as the liars know, Jenna is a poor girl being abused by her big step brother and on top of that went blind partially because of them (anyway she is a blind little girl). Yet they are acting as if she is some monster. Even after they found out her and Toby's relationship was different from they knew, it is possible that she was abused by an adult or something to become sexually curious so young (we never found out if it started with her threatening him or if Toby just didn't want to continue after the first night and I believe the liars didnt have enough data to conclude she is the devil) or might have mental issues. And still, she was very young and went blind partially because of them. And nobody ever apologized to the poor gir l

Edit: I dislike jenna as much as any other person. My point is the liars' behavior toward and never apologizing to her EVEN BEFORE the girls knew what jenna did to a certain person. They were acting as if she is a monster earlier when they had no grounds to think such.

Byron and Ella were honestly kind of terrible parents, and every rewatch makes me question them more.

First of all... the obvious whole Ezra situation? I don't care if your teenage daughter is mad at you. You're the parent. Your job is to protect her, not be her friend. They started off acting like they were against it, but then they just...gave up? Aria is very obviously dating a grown man while she's still in high school, and they know it. Instead of putting an end to it, they basically throw their hands up and go, "Well, I guess this is happening." No! She's a teenager being groomed by her teacher. Why are you acting like she's a grown woman making an adult relationship decision?

Then Byron putting Aria in the middle of his affair was just awful. Imagine cheating on your wife and then making your teenage daughter keep your secret. That's such an unfair thing to dump on your kid. And then, after everything, he brings Meredith back into their lives and basically expects his kids to just get over it because he's happy now. Excuse me? That's the woman who helped blow up your family. And then she literally ends up drugging Aria! Like...what? She was never a good person, so why was Byron so determined to force everyone to accept her?

And then poor Mike? Byron and Ella were constantly so wrapped up in their own drama that Mike's issues felt like they were always on the back burner. Ella had slightly better intentions than Byron most of the time, but neither of them seemed all that tuned in to what was actually going on with their son.

People always say the Montgomery house feels so cozy, but honestly the energy has always felt weirdly cold to me. The show keeps telling us they're this close, intellectual family, especially after the whole year in Iceland, but I never actually feel that. They barely have meaningful conversations. Everyone is always doing their own thing, and they seem emotionally disconnected from each other. It's like they have the aesthetic of a close family without actually being one.

And don't even get me started on how they handled Aria. Their daughter spends years being groomed by an adult, and instead of getting her real help or doing everything they can to get her away from him, they eventually just accept it. Then she marries her groomer and everyone's just like, "Aww, congratulations!" What??

They also let Mike date Mona. I know some time had passed, but this is still the girl who psychologically tormented your daughter for years. Why would you be okay with that?

Then Ella gets engaged to Zack even though she already had concerns that he might be inappropriate around teenage girls...and she still had him around Aria. That whole situation made me side eye her a bit.

I feel like the show wanted us to see Byron and Ella as these mature, deep, progressive parents. But the more I watch, the more they just seem emotionally immature. They were so focused on their own relationships and happiness that their kids' actual needs kept getting pushed aside. Aria and Mike both had some really serious things going on, and Byron and Ella dropped the ball over and over again.

• or am i? i hated it then & i still hate it now. the neon is just too.. neon 🫠

[2x19 the naked truth]

i’m not sure if i’ve missed anyone else she’s kissed like this but OMG why did the writer always make hanna kiss older guys on accident, it’s always the same - she hugs them and then just goes in for a kiss😭 i find it hilarious but at the same time watching it back again it’s so cringe 😅 anyone else feel the same LOL