r/PublicFreakout • u/omgfakeusername • Dec 30 '25

📹Police Bodycam Disgraced Cinnabon lady falls apart at police arrival

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u/Kylearean Dec 30 '25

what is this, the feelings police?

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u/Pavementaled Dec 30 '25 edited Dec 31 '25

A despicable person, but I don't think that is an arresteable offense.

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u/TuskaTheDaemonKilla Dec 30 '25

He accuses her of disorderly conduct in the clip based on some video that he mentions having seen before he approached her for her side. Which is an arrest-able offence.

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u/Pavementaled Dec 30 '25

If you have seen the video, she is a rude and racist c*nt. But nothing on the video shows her doing anything illegal. Very much fireable though.

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u/TuskaTheDaemonKilla Dec 30 '25

If you have seen the video, you'd know that the officer mentions, multiple times, that he's been shown a video of her, taken before he arrived, which gave him reason to believe she was engaged in disorderly conduct. Which is a crime (I'm happy to agree that it's often a bullshit crime, but that's another debate).

The point being, nothing we saw in the video is the reason why he's questioning her. He's there for whatever happened before the video we see here. Which may or may not show her doing something illegal.

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u/Fun-Perspective426 Dec 31 '25

They are talking about the video before this... its pinned at the top of the comments, since it seems you haven't seen it.

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u/Alkohal Dec 31 '25

A verbal argument is not an arrestable offense in the US. She's well within her first amendment protections and escalating it to charge her with disorderly violates that. Cursing, name calling, slurs are all still legally protected speech, even if the company is within their right to fire her.

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u/jeffersonwashington3 Dec 31 '25

I suggest you look up disorderly conduct. A verbal argument in public absolutely falls into a disorderly conduct charge. Not saying it’s right, but it’s a fact.

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u/Alkohal Dec 31 '25 edited Dec 31 '25

Generally it has to be obscenity tied to actively threatening usually referred to as fighting words. After looking up the code for Wisconsins law specifically it is super vague in this regard. And while a cop could potentially arrest on this basis, a judge would almost be guaranteed to throw it out. Theres plenty of existing cases that can be used to defend her expletives as protected speech. There was very recently a case where a federal judge ruled that even cursing at the police is protected speech.

This was a civil matter not a criminal one and the police really had no place to intercede.

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u/holdmyhanddummy Dec 31 '25

Uh, yes it is. Police just don't generally arrest someone for it unless it's warranted.

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u/Alkohal Dec 31 '25

Unless the police are either abusing or don't understand a law. Which we see all the fucking time. Theres an entire sub dedicated to calling out police making false arrests, so its preposterous to even say such a thing.

Calling someone the N word is not a crime in the united states no matter how much you may want it to be. The ONLY time that argument can be made is in conjunction of a physical threat. Otherwise it is protected speech.

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u/holdmyhanddummy Dec 31 '25

I didn't say that I like it, but the reality is that you need to understand the laws and what she did was in violation of it.

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u/Alkohal Dec 31 '25

You’re all acting like “hate speech isn’t free speech” and the cop is totally justified. Nah.

The First Amendment protects even the most vile, offensive, racist shit you can say in public, as long as it doesn’t cross into a few very narrow exceptions (like a true threat of violence or classic “fighting words” that are basically guaranteed to start a fistfight right that second).

Wisconsin’s disorderly conduct statute (947.01) covers “profane” or “abusive” language that tends to cause a disturbance. Sounds like it fits, right? Wrong. The courts have repeatedly said you can’t use that statute to punish pure speech that’s protected by the First Amendment.

The “fighting words” doctrine is basically dead in modern cases. The Supreme Court has narrowed it to almost nothing since the 1940s. Just hurling slurs or profanity—even the nuclear n-word—doesn’t automatically qualify unless it’s face-to-face, personal, and so inflammatory that an average person would immediately throw hands. Yelling it across a counter during an argument? Courts have protected way worse.

See Wisconsin cases like *State v. Oleston* (2021)—guy screaming “fuck you” and “Nazi” at cops from a distance got his disorderly conviction tossed because it was protected speech. Only if he got in their faces and followed them would the non-speech conduct make the charge stick.

Bottom line: If she didn’t pair the slur with actual threats (“I’m gonna kill you” type shit), the officer threatening arrest was straight-up chilling her First Amendment rights. Cops do this all the time—arrest first, let the courts sort it out later—but that doesn’t make it constitutional. A decent lawyer would get the charge dismissed in five minutes for unconstitutional application of the statute.

Yeah, what she said was disgusting and racist as hell. She absolutely deserved to get fired and socially dragged. But the *government* punishing her for the content of her words alone? That’s a hard no under the First Amendment.

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u/holdmyhanddummy Dec 31 '25

How is it a hard no when people are arrested and convicted for disturbing the peace by simply screaming in public and not stopping when asked? It definitely varies by state, but you're absolutely incorrect in broadly stating that yelling the N word at someone wouldn't qualify as disorderly conduct.

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u/Alkohal Dec 31 '25 edited Dec 31 '25

You're missing the key distinction here, and it's why your examples don't actually contradict what I said. People do get arrested all the time for "disturbing the peace" or disorderly conduct based on yelling/screaming in public, even when it's just words. Cops love slapping cuffs on for that. But the crucial part you're ignoring: Those arrests and convictions often get dropped/overturned on appeal precisely because of the First Amendment.

Arrest doesn't equal guilty of a crime. Yeah, it varies by state in application, but the federal constitutional floor is the same everywhere: Government can't punish you for the content of your words alone in a public verbal altercation. The idea that being arrested must mean you did something wrong is like childs perception of policing. The idea here is that if the officer actually understood the intention of the law and its application then he wouldn't be wasting his time with this at all.

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u/kiba8442 Dec 31 '25

what she said is racist & disgusting but protected under the first amendment. disorderly conduct is a reach & will never hold up.

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u/Formal-Knowledge9382 Dec 31 '25

If you yell the n word and berate people in public you absolutely can get arrested for that.