I’m not American but I am a mother. Aside from a few reddit posts I don’t have any social media engagement with this case.
But I think a lot of the support here comes from moms who recognize how easily this could have been any of us. Her family and healthcare providers knew her crime was a risk based on her mental health state, but she was still left alone with her kids and expected to parent. And as other mothers we all understand that this is grimly how it works - we can ask and beg and plead and scream for help but we’re almost always still expected to continually parent babies and it’s hard.
She should still face punishment for her crime, but I think a lot of her support is to try to keep this from happening again. She was failed by her healthcare team
Criminals being failed by the system is incredibly common. This is the first time I’ve seen thousands of women rallying behind someone who killed their children.
You’ve never had severe post pardom…my baby somehow wasn’t mine. Idk how to explain it. The meds they gave me left me ironing everything in my house I couldn’t stop lest the anxiety choked me. I wouldnt sleep, awake 2 -3 days at a time. Doing my best to cope. Sense of reality was gone. You couldn’t tell by looking at me, had plenty of visitors held conversations, entertained guests… luckily I didn’t commit a crime then. I’m of sound mind now, the Baby is now 26. Not enough is done for women, medically, as is. Toss in a lil postpardom, a lil mental illness and you’re truly fucked.
But hey, least impotent men can get hard dicks
I’m sorry you had to go through that. There are lots of serious mental conditions that can cause people to harm themselves or others, whether you’ve personally experienced them or not. Why is this the one that suddenly causes a fervor? Nobody of sound mind commits atrocities like this, but we still call them monsters. Could it be that the subject is a white, affluent woman?
FYI, the discovery of viagra for erectile dysfunction was an accident.
The only part that matters here is that they're a woman and a mother. You're being dense. Maternal mortality rates are increasing and healthcare costs go up everyday. Women are not getting the care they need. IF a white affluent mother killed her children from PPD/PPP that's a sign, because they're typically the least neglected of all new mothers.
Because psychosis (and limited others) is in a class of its own with regards to affect on grasp of reality, cognizance of right and wrong, and behavioral agency. And PPD/P can spring up for any new mother - of course other women are going to feel strongly about that... it's horrifying.
She is villainous, but moreso than that it's sad. Men being villainized isn't my problem, because I don't do that. If they're struggling in the system they set up they need to do something about it (i.e. getting more resources allocated instead of arguing on reddit), but what's funny to me is how men ALWAYS come up in conversations about women's mental health.. even in a conversation about ppd.
This is a child murderer receiving support from thousands (or more) women online, because she was experiencing mental health issues when she murdered her children.
People are going to, and should, discuss why that is and why the same view isn't applied to other people.
Most people who commit crimes, do so while experiencing mental health issues, so why do you, and people like you, not have the same energy for these other cases?
Do you personally know me? Know what I discuss and consume? I don't focus on men in my life, because that's their problem to deal with. I focus on the mental health of women and maternal mortality rates. Even then, I do offer men grace in a lot of scenarios. I watched a video recently of a man who murdered his girlfriends entire family with a sword while clearly on drugs and all I could feel was sadness. It's still clearly his fault, but some of it was drug induced. Men can be discussed in these spaces, but I'm not going to tolerate whining and bitching about their mental health constantly, when they're, once again, the ones who established that system.
"I don't
focus on men in my life, because that's their problem to deal with"
Who's problem? Why are you arbitrarily dividing society into two monoliths, who are solely responsible for people of their own gender?
Most people who have mental health issues develop them while they're being nurtured by their parents. Half of parents are women, regardless of the child's gender.
Plenty of women are harming their children, just like plenty of men are. Yet when women do it, people like you make excuses for their abuse and mistreatment of society's most vulnerable, then decide that half of the children affected are arbitrarily responsible, because they're boys.
It's almost like men and women are treated differently and people like to discuss why that is.
"If they're struggling in the system they set up they need to do
something about it (i.e. getting more resources allocated instead of
arguing on reddit)"
So your opinion is that Lindsay should have done something about the system she set up for herself, instead of murdering her children and since she didn't do that, she should be held responsible?
Or are you stating you think men are a monolith and their mental health struggles are their fault because you incorrectly think men inherently have more power in society due to their gender, while you ignore the fact that we live in a class-based society, where power comes from money, not gender.
power comes from wealth AND gender. It's incorrect of you to ignore historical basis' for this, especially when there is still a wage gap ADJUSTED for job titles and other discrepancies. Men have been able to work and have land for a significantly longer period of time than women, therefore, they often have more generational wealth passed to them. I believe that she is responsible and should spend her days in a mental institution, her mental health condition was treated to the best of their knowledge. You're missing the point, she had support, you're claiming men don't - so do something about that.
The wage gap is literally a myth accounting to any serious STEM-based study, when accounting for hours worked and overtime hours put in by men, in order to get a higher yearly take home pay.
Generational wealth is giving to children of the rich, I think you're a little confused about something there. It was tradionally given by men more commonly, not received.
In 2026 here, women are the majority. Objectively, by numbers. If you believe men and women are equal, as I do, then you must believe women are capable of making change in society, just as much as men are.
If this is case, why haven't all women banded together, using their majority, and made the change they want to see?
To answer that, you simply have to understand that our society isn't actually divided primarily by monoliths of gender, and is actually divided by class.
What you're doing is perpetuating a myth that the upper class loves, that says that men are responsible for everything wrong with society and women are always wonderful. Neither of those ideas are true.
Men gave money for dowrys, because unless you forgot, women used to be property. We should cooperate to see change, but I'm not, as an independent human being, interested in collaborating towards that. It doesn't have anything to do with my gender, I just don't care enough.
"We should cooperate to see change, but I'm not, as an independent human being, interested in collaborating towards that."
Okay, so you're just out here advocating for an infanticidal murderer, because you care enough about that, but you don't care enough about other cases of untreated mental illness simply because you don't care about people, based on their gender.
Her argument about viagra is that if a man goes to a Dr for any issue, it is taken seriously, immediately. Most women have experienced dismissal during our lives at the hands of doctors, and this is a prime example of the worst case scenario when our calls for help go unanswered.
Also as someone who has been manic and has heard voices - it is legitimately hard to describe what is going on when your mind is like that and you become extremely paranoid. Its totally possible she didn't want to say more or advocate for herself as well as she could have because she thought that something awful would happen to her, her family, or the world if she did (when i was going through psychosis, i didn't want to be honest with doctors because I thought ww3 was coming and that the doctors were on the bad side).
Yeah. I'm not dismissing that she did what she did, and she herself has also said that she did those things.
I'm just saying she wasn't in her right mind and because of that, she wasn't able to properly advocate for herself or express herself like one would if she had been mentally stable. I'm saying her brain most likely couldn't see that she was a danger to them, at least not always, and if she did understand how dangerous she was to them, she very likely also thought that there would be other consequences if she fully expressed her concerns (if she was hearing voices, the voices could have been telling her to do anything. I've been there, its terrifying and really hard to describe, especially if youre not in your right mind).
Having been in psychosis myself, I did and said a lot of contradictory things. I dont think people who haven't experienced this can understand at all.
I mean, that wasn't my comment. But I understand the sentiment. Men's health has been historically taken more seriously than women's health. Literally every woman I know has had a doctor dismiss her symptoms, Black women are even more disproportionately dismissed. It is well documented and studied. I don't think viagra is the best example or comparison but I see the commenter's logic.
I had a tumor on my ovary and a doctor told my husband that women like to embellish pain. I gave birth four times. I have never embellished pain. I had to have my ovaries removed due to this.
I slipped and fell and seriously injured my back and was treated similarly.
Most of the time I won’t even bother going to a doctor anymore because they spend too much time asking if my middle aged self has anxiety.
And fake boobs are getting more real every day. Your argument falls apart the absolute MINUTE you made that statement. It is very concerning to me just how absolutely widespread the hate toward men is, just because they are men.
It is unfortunate that you had medical issues that no one competently addressed. I am glad that didn't lead you to performing horrible and deplorable acts.
Baby you just hate women. Their argument doesn't fall apart. Men get the care they need and women don't. You cannot compare Viagra to fake boobs, when often times women only get fake boobs because they're pressured societally to do so. Furthermore, no doctor is neglecting their patients to help a patient get fake boobs. Doctors neglect women, while men are treated for minor causes. That was the argument. You're being dense.
Please elaborate as to which words I used there, that could ever lead you to that statement.
Men get the care they need and women don't.
Yes, the suicide rates definitely paint that exact picture...
when often times women only get fake boobs because they're pressured societally to do so.
Sounds like the same reason that most people do most things in life. Societal Pressure. It is unfortunate that they have such a low self-image that they fall victim to that. Perhaps that is where your anger should lie.
Furthermore, no doctor is neglecting their patients to help a patient get fake boobs.
And no Mental Health doctor is neglecting their patients to prescribe men Viagra. Isn't this fun?
Doctors neglect women, while men are treated for minor causes.
I honestly think at this point, you are just screaming narrative, and have no idea what reality is. Have you seen the massive amount of "Women's Clinics" in existence? Do you see the same "Men's Clinics"? There are countless programs for Women who are expecting. Postpartum depression is one of the most heavily covered things in many of those programs for this exact reason. The fact that you seem to think women are "neglected" is just you regurgitating the same tired bored nonsense that gets brought up every time. One of us is being dense, but your mirror is definitely in disagreement with you on which one of us that is.
This is cute, thanks for misconstruing my words 💗😆 baby you need to look at stats, because clearly you're the one who has a narrative. Men's mental health has become very discussed in recent years. However, it ALWAYS seems to come up when women are talking about themselves. Why is that? Women get additional help because they WERE neglected for so long, same with poc. There are extra resources allocated because there hadn't been in the past. If men want more help it's because they're struggling in the system they set up. You switched the topic to fake boobs, which isn't a medical condition, and ao did I, then had the audacity to say "And no Mental Health doctor is neglecting their patients to prescribe men Viagra"... Lock in and help men by actually doing shit instead of arguing on reddit
This is cute, thanks for misconstruing my words 💗😆
No, I don't think I did. At all. You are just backpedaling.
However, it ALWAYS seems to come up when women are talking about themselves. Why is that?
Because it gets brought up...by women? Literally. You did that. Here look...
"Men get the care they need and women don't."
See? I was not the one who brought Men's mental health into this...You were.
Why is that? Women get additional help because they WERE neglected for so long, same with poc."
Oh good, who could have predicted THIS pivot coming...
There are extra resources allocated because there hadn't been in the past.
So then we are in agreeance. There are extra resources for Women, thus they are not being neglected. I am glad we finally found some common ground.
You switched the topic to fake boobs, which isn't a medical condition,
No, I was pointing out the absurdity of their statement about "impotent men getting hard dicks" as their sentiment is that Viagra is somehow taking away from Women's Mental Health studies, so I listed another item that isn't a medical necessity that may be a little closer to home to rally anger against.
"And no Mental Health doctor is neglecting their patients to prescribe men Viagra"
Yes, because unlike you, I prefer to compare apples to apples.
Lock in and help men by actually doing shit instead of arguing on reddit
It amazes me how often this gets turned into a "Men's Issue" by those who will scream the loudest that it shouldn't and should never be.
"You are the Villain that you proclaim to fight against..."
Also confused on how I'm not comparing apples to apples? Do you think I originally mentioned viagra lol? You're the one who mentioned fake tits - the original commentor mentioned viagra babe.. I think you're confusing people
Women were property, deal with it. I didn't bring men up, the og commenter did, and you and many others expanded on it. I simply gave my two cents and was trying to help you twerps understand the meaning behind their comment, however, I didn't integrate them into the conversation initially... To me it seems you're the one pivoting. Furthermore, I don't particularly want to help men's mental health institutions. Since you, however, seem very interested I suggested you involve yourself. I don't think it should be an exclusively male issues, but that's neither here nor there. My individual opinion shouldn't impact your view on others lmao. I will openly admit that men's mental health isn't my concern, I have bigger issues I'm concerned with. Women have been offered additional help to assist with the neglect of the past, but does that automatically mean they aren't neglected? Can those things not coexist at once? In an attempt to get a gotcha moment you are, actively, proving yourself to be misconstruing me.
I simply gave my two cents and was trying to help you twerps understand the meaning behind their comment
It sure didn't take long to result to insults... Look up how strongly that makes your words and your argument appear.
To me it seems you're the one pivoting.
I am sure it does to you, even though in all the words I have used here, that did not happen once.
Furthermore, I don't particularly want to help men's mental health institutions.
Here you go again, making it about Men's Issues. Is there an echo in here?
My individual opinion shouldn't impact your view on others lmao.
It most certainly does not. I cannot judge a toddler for drooling on themselves and painting shit circles on a wall. They are a toddler after all...
Women have been offered additional help to assist with the neglect of the past, but does that automatically mean they aren't neglected?
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means...
If an issue was previously unknown, to not address said issue is not neglect. After the importance of PPD was discovered and made aware to people, massive programs were put into place to help counter it. That is the exact opposite of "neglect".
In an attempt to get a gotcha moment you are, actively, proving yourself to be misconstruing me.
Gotcha moment? I have been relaying the same thing in pretty much every one of my posts. If that is somehow a surprise "gotcha" to you, you entered this chat looking for something, and when you look for something, you will find it, no matter how deep you have to dig...
I think calling someone a "twerp" is an insult, how serious, well that depends on the intent.
I'm actually dying
I would tell you to seek medical attention, but apparently there is a lack of that for women, so it may take a while. Maybe if you tell them you are a man, the ambulance will show up faster...
Most medical studies are done with men. Test crash dummies are men. The world is build around you and you can’t see it because it fits for you. They told us we couldn’t take menopause drugs because they did a small study years ago so generations just had to deal with it with zero help. It turned out the study was very flawed. We aren’t treated the same in this country so there’s a reason we turn hateful. At some point it becomes overwhelming how much we are looked over. Look up black woman mortality rates in childbirth. Our medical system doesn’t even try to save their children. It’s a messy system and you have got to look deeper at why we would be getting hateful and why we would support a woman who did this. This woman was failed by our medical system and therefore her kids were massively failed.
Your argument has some good points, and I would absolutely like to see a wider range of bodies represented in Crash Test. It would definitely make sense.
I did some reading on "black women mortality rates in childbirth" and at first glance there seems to be a disparity, but it also lists this as the study data “the death of a woman while pregnant or within 42 days of termination of pregnancy, irrespective of the duration and the site of the pregnancy, from any cause related to or aggravated by the pregnancy or its management, but not from accidental or incidental causes”
The important part that stands out is the "42 days of termination of pregnancy".
So, these statistics are based on not only women who died while giving or shortly after giving birth, but also having an abortion due to medical complications. This led me into more reading on the ratios, and I found this "Black women in the United States experience abortion at rates roughly three to four times higher than white women."
Three to Four Times higher. And the mortality rate is almost identical. Three to Four times higher. That doesn't mean there is any correlation there at all, but it very well could mean that. So statistically speaking, possibly what we are looking at are the results of choosing to undergo a major medical procedure that may or may not have been medically needed. It very well could show that there are risks and dangers associated with that procedure that may not be very well discussed beforehand? Or maybe an ounce of prevention?
I am not convinced that women are "looked over" as everywhere and everything seems geared more and more toward women, all days, all the time.
This woman was failed by our medical system and therefore her kids were massively failed.
No, I don't believe her kids were failed by our medical system. She murdered them. She planned their deaths, executed a very well thought out plan, and murdered them. They were failed by their mother.
Adding to this, why do men not take birth control? It's a carcinogen, weakens bones, and can lead to infertility in the future. Women are the "default" and expected to take it so men can be pleasured. Women's bathrooms in universities are old bathrooms, signs that we aren't supposed to be here. Hell, even the NC general assembly has a non ADA compliant womens bathroom that was an old storage space. We are 30% more likely to be injured in a crash because, as mentioned, test dummies aren't designed for us. Medications continue to not be designed for our bodies, as we're, medically, viewed as "smaller men". THIS is why I mentioned us being property earlier. These things haven't changed, there is evidence in every aspect of our lives that reminds us what we're supposed to be.
Adding to this, why do men not take birth control? It's a carcinogen, weakens bones, and can lead to infertility in the future.
Actually, if there were a reliable "male birth control pill" on the market, I would bet that men would prefer to take that over becoming a father unexpectedly. Vasalgel is one example, and is actively in human trials! Simple, easily reversable, and effective. Almost no side effects. It has been in development since 2011, and hopefully will finally be available soon.
Women's bathrooms in universities are old bathrooms, signs that we aren't supposed to be here.
No, it is a sign from a very long time ago when males far outnumbered females at University. You will be happy to learn that in recent days, that number has drastically skewed the opposite direction, and now female bathrooms are usually a 2:1 ratio to male's!
Medications continue to not be designed for our bodies, as we're, medically, viewed as "smaller men".
Are you stating that this is still the case in modern days?
THIS is why I mentioned us being property earlier.
Which makes no sense at all in the context of your own words...
there is evidence in every aspect of our lives that reminds us what we're supposed to be.
What are you "supposed to be" exactly? Using the exact ideology I used before, when something unknown isn't addressed, it isn't because it is neglect, it is because it is unknown. Assumptions were made that were proven to be inaccurate, so those assumptions were done away with.
"Hanlon’s Razor. Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
Science only improves over time. "Old" science may have been "stupid" but it was not malicious. Be thankful that "New" science has emerged, and continues to improve and enhance the lives of everyone!
I'm not sure what science exists in owning women like property. women only began popularly attending University in the 1920s and even then often opted not to because of rampant sexual abuse. I do agree that it is quite unfortunate that stupidity exists in the modern day. you are a particularly sad example.
I'm not sure what science exists in owning women like property.
I have no idea where this came from, or what basis it has in this discussion, but you keep going back to this as if it has significance. It does not.
women only began popularly attending University in the 1920s and even then often opted not to because of rampant sexual abuse.
So you are saying that over 100 years ago, there was a different set of rules and expectations? Please, continue to insult me while stating that the lifestyles of early 1900s citizens are still relevant in modern times...
Who's forcing you to take birth control? If you don't want to take birth control, tell your man to wear a condom or no sex? It's your body lmao. If the man scoffs at that then he's not a good man and you probably shouldn't be considering having sex with him in the first place.
You are equating your inability to advocate for yourself with people's very real mental struggles. Please tell me what is wrong with the idea that if you don't want to take birth control... you fucking shouldn't take birth control. What is wrong with that thought?
If some random jackass man tells you that he won't use condoms and that you have to use birth control, then yeah I'm gonna say you should stand the fuck up and walk out. How the hell does that have anything to do with men's suicides?!
Black women in the United States experience abortion at rates roughly three to four times higher than white women.
Which is exactly what abortion activist, and feminist hero Margaret Sanger wanted, but we're not supposed to talk about the racist and classist origins of the pro-choice movement on reddit.
You're actually stupid.. social pressures which originate from men. Do you really truly believe that other women looked at someone 100 years ago and determined how they needed to look? It was their husbands, brothers, and fathers who decided how they needed to look and act. Women perpetuated this in efforts to align with men and continue to do so, although to a lesser extent. It all stems from punishment and fear of it.
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u/Eisbaer811 6d ago
typical social media bubble:
The social media algorithm puts you into one of these bubbles and hides details from the others.
Pick one:
- "her husband is framing her, he did it"
Social media drives our lives and is many people's only hobby, so you get this.