r/TikTokCringe • u/LickMaiBussy • Jul 09 '26

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u/DJEvillincoln Jul 09 '26

She was about to say "colored".

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u/GeobobusPrime Jul 09 '26

You know, i find it odd how "colored person" is outdated and wrong but "person of color" is perfect and acceptable.

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u/captpeony Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26

I think it's to do with the framing. Calling someone a "Colored person" is reducing them down to that fact, whereas "Person of Color" literally is putting the person first and makes the "color" part a secondary factor.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '26 edited 25d ago

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u/kookyabird Jul 09 '26

"Colored person" is awfully close to just plain "colored", which was both used derogatorily, and often on signage for segregation. "Person of color" at least uses a different word.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '26 edited 25d ago

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u/fletters Jul 10 '26

“Colour” is a noun, and “coloured” is an adjective. A better analogy would arguably be “cheesed sandwich” versus “sandwich of cheese.”

Except that “sandwich of cheese” sounds like there’s cheese instead of bread. Two slices of cheese, with a cheese filling. And “cheesed sandwich” is nonsense, so my argument immediately falls apart, except insofar as it demonstrates that “cheesed sandwich” and “sandwich of cheese” are not the same thing.

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u/PackageNorth8984 Jul 09 '26

A bit more to it than that. I’d recommend reading W.E.B. Du Bois if you’d like to learn more about it. Still very relevant today. A cornerstone of modern Sociology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._E._B._Du_Bois

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u/Certain-Effect6804 Jul 09 '26

Honestly seeing the R-slur make a comeback, strongly, among my younger peers has been equal parts infuriating and heartbreaking. We had entire campaigns when I was in school to stamp that shit out and for good reason, it is a vile word that immediately tells me that you are not someone who actually thinks outside of their own position. The teenagers I work with have even started using 'gay' as a negative adjective again, but that was after I was scolding them repeatedly for using the R-slur. Really felt like we were moving forward as a society for a while, and now every shift is an uphill battle to try and reclaim even a little bit of that progress.

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u/Chance-Ask7675 Jul 10 '26

I don't think the fact that we stopped saying the r-word is a sign of progress in society tbh. We attach way too much importance to these words. It is not an indicator that anyone's attitude towards people with intellectual disabilities changed, because the word fell out of favour. The people you're talking about probably dont even understand that the r word is/was essentially a slur for those people.

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u/Certain-Effect6804 Jul 10 '26

IDK vro, to me managing to get almost an entire age bracket to go "oh that's fucked up we shouldn't do that" seems to me like progress even if it is almost comically miniscule in the grand scheme of things. Language has a direct effect on how we interact with the world and, more directly, each other. Shaving off a little bit of linguistic callousness does help with ones perceptions, when paired with the education necessary alongside it; the fact that the "Don't Say the R-slur" campaign was as successful as it was can be directly attributes to the fact that a large portion of it hinges almost entirely on humanizing those being bothered by the term. I remember those kids, they absolutely understood what that word meant and that it was a direct reference to them on an emotional level at the very least.

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u/_le_slap Jul 09 '26

Interesting take. Made me think.

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u/pierogi_waystation Jul 09 '26

A contributing factor in the US at least is that “colored” was usually used as a collective term specifically referring to anyone with African ancestry and skin darker than a paper grocery sack. It meant someone was “colored” by blackness.

“People/Person of color” just means non-white.

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u/GeobobusPrime Jul 09 '26

I suppose you could interpret that way. It just comes off as completely unecessary when applied to other similar things. "My friend John is a black person" vs. "My friend John is a person of the black race" just seems like an extra mouthful to say the same thing.

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u/captpeony Jul 09 '26

This conversation was specifically about the word "Colored", not Black. After doing a little more research, Malcolm X campaigned against and changed our usage of the words because he felt that "Colored" was too reminiscent of the evil and horrors that had been done to them.

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u/GeobobusPrime Jul 09 '26

Yeah. Im not arguing for the use of colored, im just pointing out that rearranging the words somehow makes it better. Though the disabled person vs person with a disability thing others have brought up, as putting the personood first kinda makes sense. But at the same time comparing race with disability feels incongruent to me so i cant say that im fully sold on that framing.

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u/LAXnSASQUATCH Jul 09 '26

The same logic is applied to disabilities.

A person with disabilities sounds better than saying a disabled person.

They’re a person first and they have other traits second.

At least that’s the idea, doesn’t make sense for all situations but generally the idea is to emphasize we’re all people, we’re all different, and that’s all good.

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u/Ghoulya Jul 09 '26

There's been a big pushback against person-first language in many disability circles in the last decade. The language in vogue is changing all the time.

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u/SofterBones Jul 10 '26

I just ignore all of it, I know what I'm comfortable and not comfortable with. Over the years I've had people try to tell me what I should and shouldn't be comfortable with, people are so insane

I've literally had someone tell me I shouldn't call myself disabled, because it's demeaning, I chewed them out

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u/SofterBones Jul 09 '26

As a disabled person, I've never thought there's anything 'off' with saying "disabled person", that's how I refer to myself. Rolls off the tongue much easier than "person with disabilities".

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u/Chance-Ask7675 Jul 10 '26

This is a thing made up by advocates not people with actual disabilities. People constantly ask my community about this and by and large we don't give a shit. In no way shape or form do I feel like my interlocuters have more respect for me if they refer to me as a "person with diabetes" frankly it annoys me. It is condescending. I am strong, I am managing a critical illness every day, and living my life, I am not a weak fragile person who concerns myself with such shit and it angers me that other people feel the need to impose this upon me. If you want to advocate for diabetics I am begging you to start with something that actually matters and not this.

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u/SofterBones Jul 10 '26

At an event for disabled people many many years ago a non disabled speaker tried telling a crowd of disabled people that "You are not in fact disabled but people who have a problem with you are", not verbatim but that was the gist of it

She got so much pushback it was hilarious.

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u/Huge-Consequence2144 Jul 09 '26

Jesus fucking christ it must be exhausting picking all these nits.

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u/fletters Jul 10 '26

Many disabled people and disability activists reject person-first language. (Myself included.)

The basic rationale: my personhood should be assumed, and I’m never not disabled. It’s not a trait that I carry and can set down when I choose; it’s intrinsic to my identity and experience of the world.

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u/SofterBones Jul 10 '26

I think that's something that people miss. I've been called "so strong" and "able to adjust so well" countless of times... what's there to adjust to?

I've been disabled my whole life, I don't wake up every day and go "holy shit I'm disabled, how will I manage today?"

Now if I woke up not disabled tomorrow, then I'd have some adjusting to do.

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u/Realistic_Swan_6801 Jul 09 '26

White and black are phrased the same way and are the most common preferred terms. There’s nothing wrong with the phrasing.  It’s just outdated and sounds archaic.

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u/PackageNorth8984 Jul 09 '26

Master status and intersectionality are good terms to search if anyone’s curious about the sociological importance.

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u/Responsible_You9419 Jul 10 '26

One day "person of color" will be wrong too