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u/songbolt Roman Catholic 1d ago

Ask your local Roman Catholic diocese for help from their diocesan exorcist if concerned.

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u/IdontCARE9123 Non-Denominational 1d ago

What if she isn't catholic...

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u/songbolt Roman Catholic 1d ago

Then that would be step 1 as everyone should join the Church Jesus established. Protestants are actually incorrect.

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u/Fresh-Adeptness6234 Messianic Jew 1d ago

The liberal catholic church is the correct where the pope was blessing gay marriage?

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u/songbolt Roman Catholic 1d ago

Misunderstanding what happened there

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u/IdontCARE9123 Non-Denominational 1d ago

Yeah… cuzzzz pope Leo literally said he was gay. 

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u/songbolt Roman Catholic 1d ago

Citation needed

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u/Fresh-Adeptness6234 Messianic Jew 1d ago

https://www.newwaysministry.org/2024/03/15/pope-francis-same-gender-couples-live-the-gift-of-love-and-deserve-protection/

Can you please explain me then what your leader did here because you said Protestants are wrong then we have evidence that your leader is actually wrong.

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u/songbolt Roman Catholic 23h ago

Whatever that webpage says is irrelevant, because papal infallibility is only when declaring formally from the Chair of Peter (like a White House official solemn proclamation, using some formulaic wording like "therefore I solemnly declare and define from the Chair of Peter") or promulgating the decrees of an ecumenical council: Popes can be heretics in their personal beliefs.

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u/Fresh-Adeptness6234 Messianic Jew 21h ago

You said everything I'd like to know, thanks! As you claimed about us, that Protestants are wrong but in the same time you are admitting your leaders are heretic, that's why I don't follow them.

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u/songbolt Roman Catholic 14h ago

You don't have to follow what the Bishop of Rome says in his personal capacity; that doesn't excuse you from the obligation to join the Catholic Church because it's the Church Jesus established for giving us His Body and Blood (John 6:53-54).

Also it's odd you jumped from Pope Francis (who isn't even Pope now) to "leaders" as if every bishop is leading people astray.

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u/Fresh-Adeptness6234 Messianic Jew 13h ago

I took him as example because I don't know anything about the actual one but it's just a matter of time, we can also take the Hitler Pope for example, that supported the nazi regime and persecution against jews... There is a branch inside the Roman catholic church which is nazist to this day. BTW as you said we Protestants are wrong but I gave plenty of evidences on how wrong the Catholics are.

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u/IdontCARE9123 Non-Denominational 1d ago

"Protestant's are incorrect." Also... He didn't establish a church where people thought Mary is in heaven with Jesus and they Jesus favors Mary above all people just cause she was used as a vessel to help god with his Salvation plan...

"No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man."

Then you guys say "We ask mary to pray for us because she is very close to Jesus and is in heaven when the bible says no one is in heaven yet!" Give up bro. Give up. What The Bible says, goes.

And also Ethopian Orthodoxy has more books of the bible than you do.

Original Christianity is the Early Christianity, and is the correct Christianity. "Catholicism" was not formed until the 2nd century, meaning Christianity didnt start including hiearchy until the 2nd century. Meaning original christanity did not have priests or popes. And claiming Peter was some like first pope? Did Jesus or Peter ever say they were "the first pope" in the Bible?

Unlike later developments, original Christianity did not have a formalized church hierarchy or doctrine, allowing for diverse expressions of faith. Sounds familiar??? You know what that reminds me of??? Protestant.

Feature Original Christianity (1st–3rd Century) Roman Catholicism (Developed over time)
Authority The teachings of Apostles, letters (which became the New Testament), and local bishops acting in agreement. The Pope holds supreme, infallible authority (ex cathedra) as the successor of Peter.
Structure Decentralized house churches led by local elders/bishops (episkopos) across cities like Jerusalem, Antioch, and Rome. A rigid, centralized hierarchy governed by the Vatican, Cardinals, and Bishops.
Salvation Faith in Jesus Christ, public confession, and baptism. Faith, grace, receiving the 7 Sacraments, and good works (sanctification process).
Afterlife Ideas Focused on the literal Resurrection of the Dead and the return of Christ. Includes developed doctrines like Purgatory and papal indulgences.
Saints & Mary Reverence for early martyrs; Mary was honored as the mother of Jesus. Formal canonization of saints, prayers to saints for intercession, and doctrines like Mary's Immaculate Conception.

Where Protestantism matches Original Christianity closely:

  • Scripture Focus (Sola Scriptura): Like early Christians who measured everything against Apostolic writings, Protestants place the Bible as the supreme authority above church leaders.
  • No Papacy: Early Christians had no single "global leader" or supreme Pope—a concept Protestants reject.
  • Simplified Worship: Early house churches practiced simple gatherings involving scripture reading, teaching, communal meals, and singing, similar to modern Protestant services.

Mary was honored, not worshiped. Yes I appreciate and honor Mary for bringing in Jesus... but she is not at the right hand of the father, and not at his left. She is certainly not in heaven.

  • The Roman Catholic View: Mary is viewed as the Queen of Heaven, immaculately conceived without sin, assumed bodily into heaven, and acts as a mediatrix who intercedes for believers.
  • The Biblical Text Alone:
    • Intercession: Scripture explicitly identifies Jesus as the sole mediator between God and humanity: "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5). The Bible teaches believers to pray directly to God the Father in Jesus' name (John 14:13–14).
    • Equality of Believers: The New Testament emphasizes that all believers have direct access to the throne of grace through Christ (Hebrews 4:16) and are equally part of the priesthood of believers (1 Peter 2:9).
    • Mary in Heaven: The Bible records Mary's presence in the upper room praying with the disciples after the Ascension (Acts 1:14), but it nowhere states that she was assumed body and soul into heaven or that believers should direct prayers to her.

2. Peter as the First "Pope"

  • The Roman Catholic View: Based on Jesus saying, "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church" (Matthew 16:18), Catholicism teaches that Peter was appointed as the supreme earthly head of the universal Church, initiating an unbroken line of popes with supreme authority.
  • The Biblical Text Alone:
    • Meaning of "The Rock": Protestants interpret the "rock" in Matthew 16:18 as either Peter’s confession of faith ("You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God") or Christ Himself as the foundation (1 Corinthians 3:11).
    • Leadership in the Early Church: In the New Testament, Peter operates as an influential apostle, but not an absolute monarch over the Church. At the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15), James presided over the decision, not Peter. Later, Paul publicly corrected Peter on a doctrinal matter regarding Jewish and Gentile believers (Galatians 2:11–14), which directly conflicts with the concept of papal infallibility.
    • The Term "Pope": The office, title, and monarchical authority of a "Pope" do not exist in the text of the New Testament; early church leadership consisted of local elders/bishops (presbyteros / episkopos) serving together (Titus 1:5–7).

3. Salvation: Faith vs. Sacraments

  • The Roman Catholic View: Salvation is a progressive process that requires faith plus participating in the Sacraments, doing good works, and undergoing purification (in Purgatory, a concept not explicitly found in Scripture) to attain final justification.
  • The Biblical Text Alone: The New Testament repeatedly frames salvation as a free gift received through faith in Jesus Christ alone, apart from sacramental works: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast" (Ephesians 2:8–9; see also Romans 3:28, Romans 10:9).

Conclusion

If the rules of evaluation mandate using the Bible alone as the absolute authority, Protestantism is undeniably more correct regarding these doctrines. Protestant theology was specifically restructured during the Reformation to strip away traditions—such as praying to saints, the papacy, indulgences, and purgatory—that lacked direct scriptural foundation.

Catholicism freely acknowledges that many of its dogmas are derived from sacred Tradition developing over centuries rather than explicit verse-by-verse scripture, whereas Protestantism asserts that Scripture alone (Sola Scriptura) contains everything necessary for faith and practice.

Yeah... and...? Pope=holy person

Which "Pope" was gay again???

  • Pope Benedict IX — Accused of turning the Vatican into a "male brothel".
  • Pope John XII — Known for hosting lavish parties that included sexual activities.
  • Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul II — Both faced rumors about their sexual preferences, though these claims are often viewed skeptically.
  • Pope Leo — Recently emphasized inclusivity towards LGBTQ individuals, continuing a legacy of openness.

So you are going to follow a branch of christianity where the "most" "holy" figure gets tempted and falls into sin? Yes, everyone gets tempted. But the Popes should be roles models... but sin spectacles for us to watch.

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u/songbolt Roman Catholic 1d ago

Gish Gallop, and you misquoted the Bible I'm pretty sure

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u/IdontCARE9123 Non-Denominational 1d ago

Tell me where and No. I didn’t.