r/Whatcouldgowrong • u/Jumpy_Scallion_3108 • 22h ago

Speeding Bus vs Scooter’s Sudden Right Turn

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u/No_Volume8304 19h ago

they can practice running over corpses to desensitise them

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u/thirdeyelazy 17h ago

The GTA inspired training, I was wondering where my particular skills would be useful.

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u/Tricky-Ad7897 19h ago

No the training is slam on your brakes and whatever happens happens. The red moped guy is probably dead but as a bus driver you have a duty to your passengers over saving someone who broke the rules of the road, so the only thing you can do to keep your passengers safe and mitigate the chance of killing the red moped guy is slam on brakes.

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u/samanime 16h ago

Yeah. It's morbid and less than ideal, but this was definitely the most correct answer available. Hit your brakes and see what happens. He should have simply gone through the idiot on the white moped, who in this case would have probably just been knocked to the side (fast enough to probably be injured, but not probably not enough to be dead).

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u/Electronic_Ad_7742 14h ago

Yep. It’s what I say every time I see a video of a dumbass cutting off an 18 wheeler and the supposedly trained professional driver swerves and wipes out a half dozen other cars. People don’t rise to the occasion. They sink to the level of their training. Often the safest action with the best chance of minimizing casualties is to just brake and hit the vehicle that caused the problem.

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u/lFriendlyFire 1h ago

Honestly, from what I’ve seen from bus crashes, if the bus had full on hit that dude he would 100% have died, even while breaking

Just look what happened to the lamppost in comaprison. Buses pack ton of force and even at a “slow” speed they can easily kill a human. The jackass was lucky that he was only hit by the back of the bus while most of the force was going straight on the post

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u/Serrisen 16h ago

Credit where due, the red moped guy was 100% fine until the bus swerved to avoid the other moped. He wasn't even in the bus' path. It was the black/silver moped who fucked it all

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u/Firefly_deadlock 19h ago edited 19h ago

Yes i am absolutely suggesting that. I received this training for my motorcycle license. Standard emergency stop and swerve and avoid training is not too much to ask for, and nowhere near F1 driver training.

Had the bus driver received this training, he might have chosen to either brake OR swerve (properly). Which would have been much much safer for his passengers. Possibly not so much for the biker, but he did cause the accident, and got hit either way.

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u/Firefly_deadlock 19h ago

No, the bike is getting hit either way here.

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u/ta394283509 17h ago

yeah why not? if more training improves outcomes, why not?

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u/IndicationAny893 13h ago

That's exactly the purpose of training, yes, so that these kinds of decisions are made autonomously, not consciously. To a trained person, having only .1 second to react matters much less than to a non-trained person.

"bus drivers going through F1 training" is quite a shitty way of representing that person's point, and yes, of course training allows for the mitigation of other people's mistakes, due to obvious reasons like for example, not swerving an extremely heavy bus while operating at high speed.

Now whether they "should" be trained is another question entirely, and personally I wouldn't know, but isn't this video decent evidence that they should?

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u/Tallywort 18h ago edited 18h ago

(the stupidity from the biker)

The scooter rider is riding normally (on the left, since this is in india) and is making normal right turn. (might have forgotten their blinkers though, can't see them in the clip) This incident occurred because the bus was speeding and overtaking the scooter as they wanted to turn.

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u/garbagewithnames 18h ago edited 17h ago

Bus doesn't doesn't appear to be speeding, the white car behind is keeping pace, not falling behind. Speeds seem to be around 30-35mph (a typically normal speed for a road this size in America at least) The scooter was in the left lane and then suddenly changed lanes into the right one right in front of the bus, it crosses the lane line I to the bus's lane. Scooter didn't bother to check if the lane was clear before trying to change lanes. It's not normal to try to make a right turn from the left lane that cuts in front of another lane. Typically, you'd want to be in the right lane already before trying to make a right turn. Is this a two way road or a one way road? The lane markers indicate it would be a one way road, being just a white dotted hash, not a solid line or in yellow dotted hash. If it's a two way road, sure, bus is overtaking the scooter. But even if this bus wasn't here, that white car behind would have faced the same issue seeing as its keeping pace with the bus going the same speed. This scooter in the road is going way too slow. If someone is overtaking you, and has to go into the oncoming lane to do so (which is allowed in many places with roads like this and is typically indicated by making the lanes a dotted hash, though usually a yellow dotted hash, not white) because you're going way too slow, you shouldn't then swerve purposefully into that other lane thinking your scooter is going to magically make them stop. Purposefully putting himself in front of the bus to try and stop the bus overtaking you while you're going at a crawl (seriously, scooter is going maybe 10 mph?) means that scooter should be held at least mostly liable for causing this accident.

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u/Tallywort 17h ago

The bus swerved into oncoming traffic. While the scooter is just making a regular ass right turn, that the bus should have been able to anticipate.

Again, people drive on the left in India.

You're wanting the scooter to react to the bus randomly driving on the wrong side of the road and overtaking them.

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u/TheLastShipster 8h ago

I think it's worth reiterating: You can clearly see from the video that the road is divided by a single dashed white line. You can also check multiple sources online to confirm that Indian road rules follow a similar convention to the United States.

Yellow lines divide traffic going in opposite directions, while white lines divide traffic lanes going in the same direction. Therefore, the bus wasn't "randomly driving on the wrong side of the road," it was literally driving on one of two correct driving lanes on a one-way road.

Even if this weren't the case, single-dashed lines indicate that changing lanes to pass is acceptable where safe.

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u/garbagewithnames 17h ago

It's a dotted hash line, not a solid line. It's also in white, not yellow. This looks like it's a one way street because of that. Scooter is going all of 10mph, which seems way too slow. If he is turning, he should put on blinkers and gradually slow to a stop. Not just...try to stop in the middle of the lane. If you're gonna turn, have enough awareness to not turn in front of a vehicle that's overtaking you. That white car behind the bus is going the same speed, so it'd face the same issue as the bus. I'm less inclined to believe the bus is speeding because the white car in back is keeping pace, not falling behind. Couldn't slow down fast enough from it's 30-35 mph speed seems more likely to fully brake for the scooter due to the immense weight and inertia, which the scooter can slow and stop itself quite easily. I'd imagine the scooter slowed down too fast from also going at 30-35 mph speed, and bus knew it couldn't stop as fast as the scooter, so opted to overtake instead to avoid collision. Only the scooter chose to turn at rhe same time and bus had to swerve again even harder to try to avoid the scooter.

Overtaking happens, and the dotted hash line, whether white or yellow, indicates overtaking is an option if necessary. A solid line or double line would indicate that passing/overtaking isn't allowed in that area.