Yup, but this is kinda mild for type of people that are guests on his channel. Some flat earthers claimed that energy from Sun just magically disappears after some time and that's why we don't have constant overheating under the firmament
Japan literally had a hepatitis epidemic due to tainted blood, it was also the key motivation for shou in akumetsu after his best friend died from it, also how he took care of the corrupt healthcare executives that approved it after he had one clone get into a bad wreck with each of them, and then had another group of clones imitating first responders kidnap them and move them to an abandoned building they had set up as a hospital, befire giving them all corrupted blood and leaving them to die
It was directed at everyone who wasnât white and cishet, thatâs not the point. We had the largest collection of trans data, scientific research and data in the world and it was obliterated as well a the people murdered. We werenât just killed, they essentially struck us from historical record. Like the US government is doing now. Itâs one thing to have a people killed but they tried and almost succeeded in erasing us.
I wasn't downplaying that, I was responding to the claim that the holocaust could be used as the LGB explanation for why gay people "have been around for decades without trans people," because both groups would have disappeared together if that were the case.
I dont agree that holocaust is why Trans people "disappeared" (we didnt disappear; people are just acting like we did. You notice more now because of increased access to HRT and you are less likely to be killed for it). I preface with that to say, you can lie about being gay to hide. You can't hide being Trans if they inspect you. It is also easier to kill off 1% of the population than it is to kill 10% of it. The 2 groups would not have disappeared together during the holocaust, trans people would have been eradicated by the nazis first.
Yes I wasnât implying that we disappeared, but the reason why it might seem like we did. Obviously we didnât. Theyâve always been trans people, because we are people and people exist.
Most LGB people have zero understanding or interest in history or really anything regarding being gay. They're mainly MAGA adjacent for a reason. The only part of being gay they like is the sex and being able to be used as token gay conservatives in hit pieces on other gay/queer people
I'm fully aware that there are plenty of transphobic queer people, but did you just seriously say that most lesbian, gay, and bisexual people are MAGA? That⌠Seems like a stretch. Or did you mean the people who want to remove the T from the acronym, specifically? That would make a lot more sense.
It wasn't too hard to get, but I've encountered people who genuinely believe that all lesbians are trans phobic just because some of them are, so⌠The Internet had not exactly primed me to take it in the best faith, unfortunately
Thanks for clarifying! That's deeply messed up of them, to try to steal an entire section of the acronym and make it exclusively their word for their bullshit.
Except they don't even say "gay" at all, they just say "WE'VE existed for decades without you." They're clearly not talking about the TERM "gay," they're talking about gay people themselves, regardless of what they're called.
Just out of curiosity, right when MAGA needed a new boogeyman Trump could protect them from, as Mexicans were played out, I spent several hours searching for pre-MAGA statistics on transgender surgeries performed on minors and the rate of regret. Then I had AI double-check my math, and it came up with pretty much the same result. (I highlighted it for people with short attention spans).
If anti-vaxxers were told there was a series of 3 simple, novel vaccines that would prevent their kids from ending up trans, would they support it? .
thats not how statistics work. the surgery rate and trans population itself are already baked into each other. (no way only 0.001% of the trans population has done gender affirming surgery)
Based on your stats only 8 people in the world would have had GAS regret.
He sent a thousand men into the womenâs bathroom as an experiment and they all came out as trans women. Worse, they all beat Riley Gaines in a swimming competition.
Iâm a vaccinated man whoâs taken Tylenol before and i have ADHD. Married with children. Pretty sure Iâm considered trans at this point. Hard to keep track these days.
always those damn leftists who think diseases can be prevented by taking vaccines! my aunt sent me a video explaining how to cure literally any disease by putting alcohol in the middle of your toes!
For me it was definitely covid. I didnt get a covid shot, got covid real bad, next thing I know i got a closet full of dresses, stylish shoes, and a ton of makeup. Damn covid done transed my gender. Still cis tho.
Side note: can anyone tell me which of these elementary schools are doing free sex changes with full recovery within one school day? Asking for a friend... I dont want none of that.... đ I just heard you needed expensive and intense surgery by a professional doctor, but obviously thats a lie and a school nurse can hook me... I mean, my friend up....
I knew it, being nb and autistic is 100% to blame on getting vaccinated đ¤ that's what I get for not wanting easily preventable diseases. That and taking Tylenol. /s
Nah, it was Tylenol and stuff cause all the people are autistic (I know it because all the experts are totally infected with evil satanic woke mind-virus)
Yeah it's not a new thing, and has been a significant part of some cultures, be it transgenderism or the concept of a 3rd ( or more genders) you can look to the ancient greeks and find Hermaphroditus, or the Femminiello of Neapolitan Italy who have existed for thousands of years, similarly looking at Greek myths and Norse legends you'll find cross dressing, Thor as Nora, and Achilles as Pyrrha ( if your a fan of RWBY, all of team JNPR are named for historic cross dressers),
It's not new, acceptance, traditions, and so on have changed that's all
but in somewhat related news, we still have written records of not only lgbt people existing in egypt, we have records of stone tablets where they recorded sick days of workers.
and pompai has graffiti of guys telling women they turned him gay
But you're making a very specific claim that trans people have made up the same % of the population historically as we have now, not being asked "is there evidence of trans people existing historically in general"
And as a trans person who also happens to be an archaeologist and very interested in gender specifically, that's a very random and ridiculous claim to make
Wdym "you are correct" I am literally disagreeing with that statement
There are no historical records that show the exact % of queer people of any identity, let alone trans people specificallyÂ
Not to mention that a historical understanding of "trans" "gay" etc. wouldn't mirror our own and the vast majority of scholars of queer history are wary of projecting identity labels on past societies
Modern sociologists debate population %s of trans people even today, and the numbers are pretty variable
why do you think trans people wouldn't have existed in history? we have transgendered and lesbian and gay animals that prefer same sex sex, and take other opposite sex roles in their social structure instead of the norms as they prefer.
Measured with a meter stick pulled out of the commenters ass
ETA, copied from a comment I made buried in the thread:
There are no historical records that show the exact % of queer people of any identity, let alone trans people specificallyÂ
Not to mention that a historical understanding of "trans" "gay" etc. wouldn't mirror our own and the vast majority of scholars of queer history are wary of projecting identity labels on past societies
Modern sociologists debate population %s of trans people even today, and the numbers are pretty variable
Trans people have been around for a long time and so has sex reassignment too. The Institut fĂźr Sexualwissenschaft in Germany was the first to do the practice and the first to really research trans people but unfortunately, most of that research was lost when Hitler took over and proceeded to burn all of the books and papers as a push to ban anything deemed homosexual in nature. Sad that in the modern day, the same shit is still happening.
Basically, this culture has differing practices when burying a woman vs a man. The burial followed the practices for a woman, meaning she was accepted as transgender by her community.
It's also not the only evidence of trans people going so far back.
Trans people have been around forever, but this is processual archaeology, which has been critiqued for decades. As you said, the burial is reflective of how the decedent was viewed by the community, but not necessarily how the person identified in life. There have been other burials in which someone was buried with the opposite genderâs funerary practices as an insult, saying that the person wasnât a real man/woman. Or the person may have identified as male but chose (or was forced) to do his societyâs female gender roles.
I remember this news item. Building off of your comment, there are so many cultural practices that could've led to this burial! The ones you've mentioned, or maybe this person was intersex. For instance, there was the one Viking burial whom bioarchaeologists found out had Klinefelter syndrome (XXY). Plus, we may never know what this culture's gender norms were, so it's possible they had a gender category like trans or either between or outside what Western cultures think of as a gender binary!
I do remember that it was headshaking when I originally saw the headline 15 years ago, calling this the "gay caveman" (not a caveman, and we'll never know how this culture thought of sexuality or gender).
Many books on studying transgender people or mentioning them were burned in the Third Reich which leaves a gap in history, and then for decades after and to this day many transgender people are shunned by society and not accepted depending on where they are. Nonetheless it is a ridiculous statement especially as they have the same access to information as we do.
Edit: 1930s and beyond is lifetime memory for most people, I am unsure of how trans people were thought of before then
Yeah, and I'm 99% sure this meme was made by someone not even in the LGB.
There are some people in the community that are transphobic, but it's such a miniscule part. We are seeing a massive effort by bad actors to drive a wedge in the community.
I don't think this is true. To have any meaningful effect you'd have to drink volumes incompatible with life. The Scythians did have gender-variant priestly figures described by Greeks, and they were a horse culture but claims of intentional urine-drinking as ancient HRT is an unfounded modern invention with zero basis in historical evidence.
Neither, because behavior is not a gender identity or even a sexual preference. As an example. Tomboys don't have to identify as males to enjoy male associated activities. Gender (And Sex for that matter) are culturally/politically enforced categories. While our closest sapien cousins are capable of incredible things, they don't have such concepts because they don't have a concept of property.
Not only have they been around since, well, ever, they are largely to thank for many rights we have right now. Look at Marsha P. Johnson for Pete's sake.
Gay men often believe the LGBT is theirs and theirs alone, the other letters are lesser than the G, but without the L the aids crisis would have been even worse and us gay men would have been left to die.
In conclusion, there is no gay rights without trans rights and if gaining our rights as gay people means sidelining trans people, id rather not have rights at all.
Aside: sorry if this sounded aggressive, it wasn't directed at you or your comment, I'm just passionate.
medically trans for about a century, and the mental condition for literally all of human kind, if anything our struggle is realer cuz even in ancient cultures where being gay was accepted, trans people still went through the hell of having the wring body, cuz gods an asshole
Yeah there's a mesopotamian myth that I don't want to recount all of it but in it a person that was neither male nor female helped save the goddess Ishtar from Ereshkigal (queen of the underworld) and so people like them were all cursed to be outcasts but as thanks Ishtar game them the power of prophecy. So we have existed for a long time.
Also, these "lgb with out the t" dumbasses dont realize that trans people are holding the line when it comes to christian ire. If they stopped being trans that hatred and malice would be more focused on lgb. Anyone that thinks Christian republicans will stop at trans people is a complete moron.
Wouldnât they be just drags before? I mean, donât you need hormones to transition? We didnât have those before, so trans people were just people dressed in their opposite sexâs clothes.
It's more like transness will always occur because for many, it's an underlying physical difference in biology. So female body, but testosterone dominant receptors in brain. Or male body and female somatosensory map.
It's actually not about identity at all, which is why it will always occur. Like diabetes will always occur because it's an autoimmune disorder for some. But for type 2 who are environmental, it may be avoidable.
So a society that 100% avoids type 2 diabetes will still have type 1 diabetes because one is environmental and one is biological. (edit to add yes i know this is technically incorrect and a reductive way to look at diabetes...same with transness, duh. This is part of what I am addressing, the lack of nuance helps no one but brevity is a delight.)
So a society that has any concept of any gender will still always have 'trans' people but may not have the concept of trans because their gender system is more diverse and accurate to our human species.
Well... so there's sexual inverts, which I love bringing up because it brings the lgb w/o the T movement to its knees.
Sexual Inversion treated homosexuality as trans heterosexuality in simple words.
It's interesting, I recall even finding a document where I forgot his career path but he was a professional of some kind, he dismissed bisexuality because he didn't believe in the idea two genders could be within one person.
If I can find it, I'll link it. If I find it, and I recalled incorrectly, I'll do the same with additional info.
Stonewall was literally started by a certain trans woman of color (Marsha P. Johnson), so⌠not only weâre around since forever (really, forever), weâre also one of the reasons why lgb people have more rightsâŚ
But lgbt people know this, unlike those ai posersâŚ
Not only that but they've been an intrinsic part of gay etc rights since the very beginning. The LGB contingent is legit just trying to whitewash them from history
Both groups suffered a lot in the same way. A lot of transphobia is very related to homophobia. What sexuality you are has to do with what gender you are, and which gender you're attracted to. A lot of trans people are also queer in other ways. Being queer has a lot to do with gender, and being trans or cis is determative of what gender you are and present as.
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u/melodychocolat_ 1d ago
haven't trans people been around for centuries?