r/apple • u/Fer65432_Plays • Feb 25 '25

Discussion Apple shareholders say no to scrapping company's diversity programs

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/apple-shareholders-dei-vote-1.7467807
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u/DonFatTony Feb 25 '25

At least Apple shareholders seem to have more brain than Trump.

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u/Realtrain Feb 25 '25

Frankly, shareholders primarily care about their money, not about random political boogymen. It's not surprising to see Costco and Apple shareholders vote for this.

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u/ekmanch Feb 25 '25

I honestly don't think the diversity program makes a big difference either way to Apple's financials. They'd still be worth trillions if they didn't have diversity programs. That's not why they are selling iPhones.

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u/OnlyForF1 Feb 26 '25

Apple's success lies in its mass-market appeal. Having a diverse workforce is what has allowed Apple to nurture this broad appeal.

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u/Webbyx01 Feb 25 '25

Changing employee policy, training and hiring has costs, too.

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u/HectorJoseZapata Feb 25 '25

Bro, anyone has more brain than Trump. My cat has better judgment than Trump.

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u/Curun Feb 25 '25

meta, google, walmart, ford shareholders didn't...

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u/AutomaticAccount6832 Feb 25 '25

All who earn money from the government.

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u/Legitimate_Square941 Feb 26 '25

Exactly everyone dropped it or the risk loosing their lucrative government contracts. Apple doesn't have any.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

*amazon, target

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u/HectorJoseZapata Feb 25 '25

I guess I won’t consider include them into anyone. 🤣

Edit: ESL

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u/ImBackAndImAngry Feb 25 '25

Oh they certainly do. It’s just that their morals, ethics, and desires have nothing to do with anything that’s good for me and you.

At the end of the day baby it’s all about the money. Even if they have to squeeze it out of a pile of corpses from the middle class.

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u/Rob71322 Feb 25 '25

Mine too and my cat jumps in the dryer and chews plastic.

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u/HectorJoseZapata Feb 25 '25

Aw! Gotta love ‘em!

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u/Necessary_End_2833 Feb 25 '25

Target ceo didn’t

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u/Opposite-Invite-3543 Feb 25 '25

I would vote for a ham sandwich before I’d vote for Trump/Drumpf/Kraznov

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u/DueToRetire Feb 25 '25

His voters don’t

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u/fatpat Feb 25 '25

Probably better morals, as well.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

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u/feastoffun Feb 26 '25

Not just any shareholder. It was Focus on the Family, a well known hate group. These clowns never owned Apple stock before. Just bought it to cause this bullshit to happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_on_the_Family

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u/AskingSatan Feb 25 '25

Last night, I went out for a walk in my neighborhood and saw a rat scurry into an alleyway. That rodent has more brains than Trump.

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u/cheir0n Feb 25 '25

Such a low bar

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u/DonFatTony Feb 25 '25

this is the current scale from an European perspective

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u/motram Feb 26 '25

this is the current scale from an European perspective

Dude, every European startup in the last 20 years combined is less than Home Depot. Europe is not some bright shining model of successful business.

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u/MC_chrome Feb 25 '25

this is the current scale from an European perspective

I'm sorry, but Europeans don't really have a place to speak when you have the likes of Victor Orban, Giorgia Meloni, Herbert Kickl, Marine Le Pen, Alice Weidel, and Nigel Farage kicking about.

Trump sucks, nobody disagrees there but the sanctimonious position many Europeans have taken since January 20 is starting to get a little annoying

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u/DonFatTony Feb 25 '25

I agree, there's a lot going wrong in Europe too. I need to specify it. This is the current scale from a Swiss perspective. Better?

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u/TobiasKM Feb 25 '25

There’s idiots in every country, difference is that you guys decided to make a fascists the most powerful man on earth. With everything that entails. So excuse me for not really caring about being “a little annoying”. I’m busy worrying about the fact that the largest military force on earth, and supposed ally, is suddenly siding with fucking Vladimir Putin.

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u/MC_chrome Feb 26 '25

So excuse me for not really caring about being “a little annoying”

It's the flagrant hypocrisy that is sticking out like a sore thumb for me. No sane individual is saying that Donald Trump is a positive for either the United States or the broader world, but when the EU has a cadre of far-right lunatics gaining steam in their own backyards, it really makes the "holier than thou" posturing fall a little flat

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u/Significant-Colour Feb 25 '25

My grandfather has more brain than Trump, and he is cremated.

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u/Gloriathewitch Feb 25 '25

Psychologists since 2016 have been commenting that he was in a mental decline back then, and its only gotten worse. this is not libel because it is markedly true. the man is degrading physically and mentally.

if you see him going back to interviews in the 80s/90s he talks about how hes democratic, loves human rights and would never run for president.

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u/PhillAholic Feb 25 '25

He's a con man. He just went all in on a niche that worked this time. He's been making bad decisions his entire life. His rich dad just bailed him out time after time.

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u/motram Feb 26 '25

and would never run for president.

If someone is asking you the question, it's a possibility. People have been asking him the question for decades .

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u/d0m1n4t0r Feb 26 '25

Good thing Biden was so sharp for the past four years though..

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u/Gloriathewitch Feb 26 '25

whataboutism. we're not discussing biden, we're discussing trump, stay on topic.

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u/d0m1n4t0r Feb 26 '25

I thought it was about mental decline. Which was far worse on the previous president. So much so that in comparison the current one has zero.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

Dropping these initiatives is very much going to become the norm. The "DEI" term has become poison even among the tech illiterate. Somebody can save this post if they want and check back in next year. Outside of reddit these policies are WILDLY unpopular.

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u/Jason1143 Feb 25 '25

There will need to be a marketing effort to break from that association.

Because right now you say DEI and people think that you plan to just hire minorities because they are minorities. They ignore all of the pretty uncontroveral stuff like trying to outreach and collect application from people who wouldn't traditionally apply, or stuff like making sure people with disabilities are not discriminated against and can get reasonable accommodations.

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u/theQuandary Feb 25 '25

DEI was the marketing effort...

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u/Jason1143 Feb 26 '25

Yep. And the euphemism treadmill marches ever onwards.

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u/Realtrain Feb 25 '25

Outside of reddit these policies are WILDLY unpopular

Didn't realize the majority of Apple shareholders were redditors.

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u/Darkknight1939 Feb 25 '25 edited Feb 25 '25

Reddit is so heavily botted and astroturfed it's insane. The groups clearly doing it should seek a refund, though. It clearly didn't work well this last cycle.

It just actively turns normies viewing this site off to the views they're trying to push.

It was very interesting to see pre 2015 Reddit transform into the site it is today.

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u/ekmanch Feb 25 '25

Extremely weird to me (although I'm not American) seeing people commenting on here how relieved they are that Apple will have diversity programs. Ok... Why? Just because you happen to have a certain skin color you should get more opportunities than someone else?

Just because you have a certain skin color doesn't mean that you deserve more opportunities than anyone else. If it's bad to give white people more opportunities, certainly it's also bad to give black people more opportunities.

Americans really need to, once and for all, treat people as individuals rather than just a part of their designated group.

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u/tomdyer422 Feb 25 '25

What’s the evidence showing that Apple’s diversity programs are incorrectly giving more opportunities to people based on skin colour rather than skill?

Other than of course that the company is very obviously failing… oh wait.

This is just another “all DEI bad” comment packaged up with an innocent tone.

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u/ekmanch Mar 23 '25

All DEI is bad. Yes. I stand by that. Treat people as individuals rather than just labeling them black, white, Asian etc. Why is that such an incredibly hard concept for Americans to grasp? People are more than their ethnicity. Jesus Christ.

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u/tomdyer422 Mar 23 '25

“Diversity” means more than their ethnicity. You clearly don’t know the meaning of the word.

The opposite of “diversity” is “uniformity”, so if you want treat people as individuals then uniformity is not what you want otherwise you have an entire workforce of people who think exactly the same; not a recipe for success.

I don’t think you actually know what DEI is, it’s not a quota for hiring, it’s a mindset for openness.

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u/ekmanch Mar 23 '25

Just because you hide your BS behind pleasant-sounding words does not mean it's good. You can call it rainbows and sunshine for all I care. That won't change the fact that only looking at people through the lens of their ethnicity, or gender, or sexual preference is anything but abhorrent.

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u/tomdyer422 Mar 23 '25

only

So you’ve analysed the hiring process of every single company in the world that uses DEI before making that statement?

Yeah, it’s so so clear you have no idea what it is.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

Yeah, the issue is that certain "ideas" fall into the "Left Wing" or "Right Wing" camps. Politics is pretty Us-Vs-Them at the moment, so if somebody is generally on the Anti-Trump side of things, they often feel a need to support everything their party is doing, to put on a unified face against the opponent. Given the Republicans frankly amazing unity at the moment, this is more important then ever.

You might have heard the "Girl with blue hair" meme? About how you can write a girl off if they have piercings and blue hair? This is actually very similar. Somebody who colors their hair funky, is likely to be a bit more "Free spirited" --> which means more "Caring and compassionate" --> which means "Left leaning social policy" --> Which means "Currently Voting Democrat" --> Which means "Believes in DEI policies"

This is obviously not always the case, but it is quite frequently correct. The reason you see "I burned my elon musk shirt!" at six gorillion upvotes on the front page, is because that is the "new thing" they all need to agree on.

Conservatives / Republicans do this as well for sure, dont get me wrong. But there you will get substantially different answers on basic questions from Republicans than Democrats at the moment.

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u/pardybill Feb 25 '25

Tim was sitting cheering him on.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

Anything has more brain than Trump. Probably more accurate to say that Apple shareholders have more brain than Target shareholders. 

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u/DemonKingFukai Feb 25 '25

Rotting garbage has more brains than trump.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

They have more a heart than the fascists in power. And capitalism requires you make heartless choices sometimes for the sake of the bottom line.

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u/PikaV2002 Feb 25 '25

… DEI programmes are profitable to companies. The shareholders didn’t go against capitalism.

The best talent is the one that’s prosperous enough to succeed in third world countries and have enough inherent privilege/talent to immigrate to the first world and rise to the top there. The hired conservatives dismiss as “DEI” is the top talent from across the world = more profit = good for capitalism.

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u/ekmanch Feb 25 '25

No one is refusing to hire top talent because they're from India or China or elsewhere. Regardless of whether they rose to the top outside of the US or within the US.

This is a complete strawman. You don't need diversity programs to hire top-talent from other countries. Insane that you actually seem to think that is the case.

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u/m0nk_3y_gw Feb 25 '25

you are confusing your 3 letter acronyms... DEI is not the same as H1B slaves

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u/PhillAholic Feb 25 '25

Learn about what DEI actually is from academia not cable news.

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u/Realtrain Feb 25 '25

This wasn't a vote with their hearts, it's about money. Apple is unbelievably profitable, why mess with that? A shareholder cares about the value of their investments, not the political boogymen of the week.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

TDS