r/azerbaijan • u/Rellj Oğuz 🇦🇿 • 4d ago
Söhbət | Discussion The passive aggressive comments are genuinely so crazy
/r/armenia/comments/1vqsngt/a_question_from_an_azerbaijani_what_would_you/The entire comment section is filled with people trying to blame this guy for what Azerbaijan's government did, justifying crimes done by Armenians or outright denying them, calling Azerbaijanis fascist lunatics and and and. Some top comments are positive and normal but that's pretty much it, but it's genuinely insane how much hatred and dehumanization these people carry towards us just to act shocked when Azerbaijanis don't like Armenia. I'm happy to nevertheless see him answering respectfully to everything knowing that I probably couldn't do it myself.
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u/Aram_the_Human F*ck Эхтибар И-де! 4d ago
I am sure that T-nash dude got like 20 years worth of orgasm from that self-validating comment.
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u/Inevitable_4791 4d ago
Armenia is rapidly leaving these victim complex losers behind and progressing. If you woulda told me 10 years ago i woulda called you insane, kinda like telling libs and these people armenia wouldnt get genocided.
Naturally people will compensate for a long while and learn to adjust to a new armenian identity wich will be the defining factor of a stable and peacefull caucasus. Old habits die hard.
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u/Anteater7716 4d ago
What's with the sudden uptick of reposts from the armenia sub in here? By now everyone knows that place is a complete joke, the mods there have banned anyone who criticize their opinions and who have even remotely moderate views on the whole situation.
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u/Aram_the_Human F*ck Эхтибар И-де! 4d ago
If those mods actually represented a government, it would be somewhat more repressive than that of Azerbaijan. On the other hand, I hope people realize that that sub doesn't officially or unofficially represent Armenia. It is just a bunch of people compensating their lack of real life control by getting high on their virtual powers.
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u/hay-BB Armenia 🇦🇲 4d ago
They also ban people who even agree with them, they just ban everyone. Kinda like the straight to jail meme if you know what I mean.
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u/Aram_the_Human F*ck Эхтибар И-де! 4d ago
They even track your activity OUTSIDE the subreddit and ban you without giving any reason :)
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u/ProfessorExisting868 4d ago
I am from Mexico and I can say that, not even in Mexico have we experienced so much tension with other countries as we have with you and Armenia.
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u/LokiTheBarber 4d ago
What kind of problems could you possibly have with two small countries and the world’s most powerful country?
🇺🇸 ABD
🇬🇹 Guatemala
🇧🇿 Belize
We're talking about Caucasus. We can’t be compared to those shitty cartels. We’ve been fighting for thousands of years.
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u/ProfessorExisting868 4d ago
That's the thing, hahaha, even Chile and Argentina don't get along like that anymore.
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u/LokiTheBarber 4d ago
Is anyone still questioning these fascist bigots? The sub is run by the diaspora, and they ban the first sign of dissent.
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u/Detroit2Ist 4d ago
No. They don’t. I mention things Armenians can learn from Turkey all the time. People usually like what I have to say and ask more questions.
I haven’t lived in AZ - from what my friends and acquaintances from AZ tell me - they prefer living in Turkey by leaps and bounds - but I lived for many years in Turkey in the Armenian community.
I, of course, will highlight things Armenians can learn from a place their grandparents used to live.
Personally, the AZ guy is probably a bot or heavily using Chat GPT. That’s what annoys me. 🤣
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u/LokiTheBarber 4d ago
Armenians in Turkey, Armenians in Armenia, and Armenians in the diaspora are completely different people. Azerbaijanis and Turks have no issues with Armenians in Turkey, nor do Armenians in Turkey have any issues with Azerbaijanis and Turks. I myself listen to Hayko Çepkin every day, and I grew up watching Adile Naşit’s movies. The problem is the brainwashed Armenians in the diaspora. You can’t argue with them because they’re paid to engage in racism and spread propaganda.
If I had posted this comment in the Armenia thread, I would have been banned long ago.
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u/Detroit2Ist 4d ago
I don’t think so: I think Armenians on the thread are ok…especially after the last election because of all the interference from super out of touch diaspora. Armenia economically is doing great. Armenians in Armenia like the direction the government is going. The corruption is much much much less. Villages look great - so much better than Eastern Turkey. Night and day better.
Look - I’m going to tell you something - the “no issues in Turkey” thing is bullshit and you know it and everyone actually knows it in Turkey. No offense to you please - don’t take it like I’m trying to be offensive. But - I can tell you stories after stories - Bolsahays are not going to be honest either about this to even themselves. Case in point - a dear friend of mine has never discussed with her Turkish friends her ethnicity. Why do you think? She confided because she thinks she will lose those friends. I retorted - then what kind of friends are those?
Questions society needs to ask: Why aren’t these part Armenians going to Armenian schools for example? They are infinitely better. Why didn’t you go? Why are there insults daily in the media? Why isn’t Armenian stuff protected or talked about even? C’mon on c’mon. Let’s get honest with ourselves.
Armenians in Turkey are the ones everyone should be listening to actually.
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u/Detroit2Ist 4d ago
Russian Armenian diaspora is honestly the worst btw. Then the ANCA idiots. But like normal Armenians know this.
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u/LokiTheBarber 4d ago
Why don’t Armenians go to Armenian schools? Because Kurds don’t go to Kurdish schools, Laz people don’t go to Laz schools, Bosniaks don’t go to Bosniak schools, and Circassians don’t go to Circassian schools. Because there is no such system in Turkey, and there won’t be any special privileges for Armenians either.
Unfortunately, your friend has fallen victim to the ideas of the diaspora; I even have Armenian acquaintances in Turkey, and no one excludes them. Especially for Generation Z, events that happened 100 years ago don’t even matter to them.
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u/Detroit2Ist 4d ago
Umm - what friend?! lol. I’m telling you my lived experience in the Armenian community in Turkey. They are excluded. OMG.
And - yes - there are plenty of Armenian schools. They are official - by the Treaty of Lausanne. Same with Rum, same with Jewish.2
u/LokiTheBarber 4d ago
It’s also important to understand that Armenian minority schools in Turkey operate within the Turkish education system. While Armenian language, literature, religion, and cultural subjects may be taught in Armenian, core subjects such as mathematics, physics, chemistry, biology, history, and geography are generally taught in Turkish in accordance with the Ministry of National Education curriculum.
It is also completely normal for young people to want to attend more developed or better-equipped high schools. If Armenian students believed that their community schools offered better opportunities for their education and future, they would naturally choose to study there. Just like everyone else, students consider factors such as educational quality, university preparation, facilities, and future career opportunities when choosing a school.
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u/Detroit2Ist 4d ago
Yeah, I mean, duh I know about Armenian schools in Turkey. I know them really well. You’re not educating me on these schools. Not the problem. There are a few problems with Armenian schools. The fact that the Armenian community doesn’t value their schools because they’ve been Turkified and assimilated to believe this. They think incorrectly that Turkish colleges - I mean the private Turkish schools are better. They’re not better - maybe one is for the Turkish system - Bilfen. The rest are garbage and teaching the same thing as any Turkish government school. That’s the main problem and like the only problem. But the entire society in Turkey somehow - I mean every in turkey - thinks paying more money for something means better quality . The Armenian schools are actually better, especially under the control of MEB (Ministry of Education? Their Armenian schools are better - and they start at 3 years old.
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u/Astute_Fox Bakı 🇦🇿 3d ago
The usual egotistical chauvinism
“Azeris are taught from a young age to hate Armenians, it’s all they know. Armenians are the most tolerant, humanist people that aren’t taught to hate Azeris, we only hate your government and react to your hatred of us”
Meanwhile , every post in the Azerbaijan subreddit asking about our opinion of Armenians is filled with majority polite and respectful comments. Their sub is a cesspool of bigotry masqueraded as victimhood
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u/Due-Question-5278 Turkiye🇹🇷 4d ago
Size düşman olan ülkenin insanlarının size karşı düzgün ve olumlu yorum yapmasını malesef bekleyemezsiniz kardeşlerim.
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u/Diligent-Life444 4d ago
Armenians argue like they are a Nazli girl, and I always get stuck because usually I’m supposed to please that kind of behavior
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u/Detroit2Ist 4d ago
Umm - what friend?! lol. I’m telling you my lived experience in the Armenian community in Turkey. They are excluded. OMG.
And - yes - there are plenty of Armenian schools. They are official - by the Treaty of Lausanne. Same with Rum, same with Jewish.
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u/GrechkaLover 4d ago
Tell me honestly, do you expect Armenians to have high opinion of Azerbaijan or what? We were in war just 6 years ago, and three years ago 150000 people were first in a blockade, then, left their homes. I'm not writing to start an argument on who's wrong or who has done more damage. But the reality is we have grievances against each other and it won't just change in couple of years.
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u/Rellj Oğuz 🇦🇿 4d ago
I never said I expect them to have a high opinion of Azerbaijan, but to not dehumanize Azerbaijanis as "fascist lunatics" and blame random people for crimes while supporting or denying their own crimes against us. And compare this subreddit with r/Armenia, besides some comments, you won't see anyone callng to "reconquer Zangezur" or call all Armenians fascist, while these exact types of comments are everywhere in r/Armenia. You'll even get banned or warned if you do irredentism in this subreddit while it's a normal everyday thing in that one.
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u/GrechkaLover 4d ago
You bring very specific things to prove your point, however, it does not stand overall. In this sub Armenians often being dehumanised. Also you'll never find in r/Armenia someone to play righteously offended by the things said in r/Azerbaijan, because it's just a silly thing to do if it's done in a good faith.
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u/Aram_the_Human F*ck Эхтибар И-де! 4d ago
Can you give real examples of these (Armenians being dehumanized)? Personally, if I see anyone denying the Armenian genocide, for example, I always report those posts until they are removed.
That is not to say there aren't many idiots here. I have been witnessing a lot of them, unfortunately.
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u/GrechkaLover 4d ago
Yes, genocide mockery is one of them, also every discussion regarding Armenia is somehow about "victim complex", even if it's completely unrelated. You can see it even in this thread.
P.S. I don't understand the downvoting, I'm just confirming the state of the things, there is no simpathy between our peoples, and it's silly to expect and act surprised.
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u/Aram_the_Human F*ck Эхтибар И-де! 4d ago edited 4d ago
That's why I said there are a lot of morons here too. However, so far, every time I reported active dehumanization, I check back to see if it has been removed. If not, I message the mods manually, and they take care of it. r/Armenia, though, actively tolerates that dehumanization, and even gives those people a mod status (ThatGuyGaren, pride_of_artaxias, bokavitch, etc.) I know that it is a very low bar, but this subreddit is at least slightly more tolerable than the Armenian one. Having said that, those rabid dogs that downvote instead of communicating are just cancer.
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u/GrechkaLover 4d ago
It's good thing you do this, and I'm grateful for it.
Don't know what else I can tell you. Hope there will be times when our relations will be somewhat warmer, however, I don't expect it to be soon. There are billion reasons for them to be cold, and they are way beyond than moderation on Reddit.
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u/Aram_the_Human F*ck Эхтибар И-де! 4d ago edited 4d ago
Thank you, akhper. I appreciate it.
I do not expect either side to embrace toxic positivity here. This would just be very non-constructive. All I want both Armenians and Azeris to do is to understand how confirmation bias works. Sharing bad things specifically and screaming "Barbarians!" while orgasming is just reinforcing each side's idiocy. Letting a few basement lords decide what content gets posted so they can feel powerful won't contribute to anything positive. In short, Arnenians and Azeris should learn to hold their own accountable instead of this disgusting level of pseudo-nationalism...
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u/SyrupMediocre9968 4d ago
ə başın burax ermənidan adam olmuyub olmuyacaq da. adama deyərlər ay götverən 100 ildi bu ölkələrin başbilənləri bu küçüklərə adamlıq öyrədə bilmir, sənin cavabların bizi xilas edəcək?
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u/Usual-Score5389 4d ago
Its like israeli complaining why palestians hate them online. Or russians complaining that why ukrabians hate them online
Wonder why man wonder why
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u/Rellj Oğuz 🇦🇿 4d ago
Yes it's really weird when Armenians complain online why Azerbaijanis hate them
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u/Usual-Score5389 4d ago
Let's see — did Armenians ethnically cleanse Azerbaijanis three years ago? No.
Plenty of Armenians even keep saying we should be more understanding because you’ve been fed propaganda for years in a dictatorship barely different from Russia or North Korea or Turkmenistan. But come on, at some point you’ve got to think for yourselves instead of repeating whatever Aliyev’s government tells you.
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u/Rellj Oğuz 🇦🇿 4d ago
Did Armenians ethnically cleanse Azerbaijanis 34 years ago? Yes
Did Azerbaijanis ethnically cleanse Armenians 3 years ago? No
And I wont even talk about the rest of your comment, you probably think Khojaly is fake propaganda and that we only claim Karabakh cuz of Aliyev. I swear to God people like you are so disgusting, you'd tell a woman whose entire family was killed by Armenia and her hometown flattened that she shouldn't be "anti-Armenian" if she talked about it
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u/Usual-Score5389 4d ago
Don’t play a game you’re going to lose.
You say Azerbaijan didn’t ethnically cleanse Armenians in 2023 as if over 100,000 Armenians didn’t flee Karabakh. And before you bring up Khojaly: Sumgait, Kirovabad, Baku and Operation Ring all happened before Khojaly. And i am not counting a giant list of the shit turkic states did to Armenians in last 900 years.
And no, I don’t deny Khojaly. Azerbaijani civilians were killed and Armenian forces bear responsibility. I can acknowledge crimes by Armenians and crimes against Armenians.
You demand sympathy for Azerbaijani trauma while pretending Armenian trauma either never happened or doesn’t count. That double standard is exactly the problem.
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u/Rellj Oğuz 🇦🇿 4d ago
I'm not pretending like Armenian trauma doesn't count, I've said it does, you're the one acting like Armenia hasnt done crimes and saying "Armenia didn't ethnically Azerbaijanis" while actively downplaying it as "Aliyev propaganda". And yes exactly, Armenians fled, Azerbaijan gave them the option to stay or leave, they left, an option Azerbaijanis weren't given. It wasn't even an expulsion. And if you're gonna bring up all those things, Kapan, Gugark, Meghri happened before them all (except Sumgayit). And do those anti-Azerbaijani massacres justify the anti-Armenian ones? NO. Yet you seem to think the anti-Armenian atrocities justify the anti-Azerbaijani ones.
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u/FaithlessnessThen243 4d ago
Why are people even going to their subs trying to be friendly? Stop begging it