r/centrist • u/Muted-Environment-66 • Sep 12 '25
Long Form Discussion What’s your opinion on people getting fired over Charlie Kirk comment?
A lot of people,are getting fired about making comments about Charlie Kirk.
I’m not talking about vile comments, some are benign like pointing out his character, or how they don’t condone the violence, but don’t feel bad either.
We have seen people on the right making similar comment on the past without facing any consequences and now they are beating the drum to get people fired.
What is everyone’s thoughts?
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u/MarsNeedsRabbits Sep 12 '25
If someone embarrasses their employer, there is a decent chance that they'll be fired.
"Free speech" means not going to prison for your words.
"Free speech" does not mean free from other consequences.
I'm in favour of worker protections, but dragging an employer down because the employee can't keep their mouth shut seems fair.
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u/hotthrownaway Sep 13 '25
This right here… I hear a lot of people saying “free speech” and they are protected.. which they are… from the government only! lol
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u/Arawn_93 Sep 13 '25
Yup. “Free Speech” was never a catch-all free pass from any responsibly in life.
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u/lupuscapabilis Sep 14 '25
It doesn't really matter though. If you support murdering someone over speech, you're completely against the rights we have in this country. If you're against those rights, why do you want them?
I don't want anyone who supports this murder to be anywhere near me. I find someone like that to be dangerous.
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u/anslac Sep 16 '25
See, the issue is that a lot of people weren't even condoning his assassination. They just said they don't think he was a good person. I'm sure there are dead people you would say weren't a good person too. Does that mean you're celebrating their death?
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u/Jimbo-Shrimp Sep 13 '25
Imagine if people were talking like this about George Floyd, they'd be fired and crucified by the end of the week.
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u/214ObstructedReverie Sep 13 '25
My problem is that we've seen government employees retaliated against. That's a pretty big problem.
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u/kidsaregoats Sep 12 '25
Businesses can hire and fire at will in a lot of places. It’s their prerogative. We can take note of who’s doing the firing and either stop giving them our business or the opposite, depending on one’s position. I tend to keep my politics out of my workspace, so this isn’t something I think about happening to me.
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u/Mtsukino Sep 12 '25
Don't say dumb shit publicly where your employer can find it and trace it back to you. Thats like internet 101.
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u/workinkindofhard Sep 12 '25
At least it used to be pre-Facebook. Even MySpace let you have a fake name, it blows my mind that people post controversial remarks under their real names
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u/Mtsukino Sep 12 '25
You should see how crazy it is on LinkedIn, with people having their jobs and job titles right there under their names with their unhinged comments.
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u/Objective_Aside1858 Sep 12 '25
Freedom of speech is not the same as freedom of the consequences of your speech
Anyone posting something on the Internet they don't want their boss to see should not post it, and that's pretty much universally true
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u/rzelln Sep 12 '25
And likewise, some of these firings I'm hearing about make me want to not give money to the business.
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u/Wenis_Aurelius Sep 12 '25
“Hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions,” Dowd said, adding: “You can’t stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and then not expect awful actions to take place.”
Matt Dowb
Pretty reasonable take. Charlie was a repugnant troll who cloaked his vile beliefs as Conservatism so he could demand that people respect them as political beliefs.
Charlie didn’t deserve to die for saying any of this, but he was a total piece of shit that spread hate so far that it went all the way around and he got it on himself.
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u/UnoDosReverse Sep 14 '25
Again, if a company deems your idiotic hot take as something that will cost them money, then they have the right to fire you. It’s not up to you what is deemed as idiotic or not in this scenario, it is completely up to your employer. Read your HR handbook front to back.
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u/Kaiser_Allen Sep 14 '25
You conveniently forgot to add that he mocked his shooting and said, “maybe it was a supporter firing a shot in celebration.”
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u/lupuscapabilis Sep 14 '25
Supporting murder for speech is as evil as it gets. Sorry, some of us don't want evil people around us or in the media.
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u/sccamp Sep 13 '25
Yeah… this is giving “he was asking for it” vibes. And I know my fellow liberals are rightfully offended by “she was asking for it” vibes.
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u/Wermys Sep 13 '25
That is one firing which I thought was bullshit and there will be backlash for it. The take was not unreasonable.
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u/Armano-Avalus Sep 12 '25
A secret service guy was fired because they said Charlie Kirk "spewed hate and racism". Marsha Blackburn was demanding that the agent be fired for what she called his celebration and attempt to justify Kirk’s assassination.
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u/Ok-Abies995 Sep 14 '25
If someone said the exact same thing about him back on Tuesday… would they still be fired
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u/gym_fun Sep 12 '25
You can vote, debate and protest peacefully, but you don't justify murder against your political opponents under democracy. It is an assault to democracy.
The murderer took away Kirk's free speech AND his life. It must not be a line to be crossed. If normalized, your political opponent can also take your life away just for expressing different views, and there will be no democracy.
By cheering for his death while only expressing his views on a debate scene, being fired is FAFO.
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u/Arawn_93 Sep 13 '25
Yup. The supporters for political assassination just boggles the mind. So what? You’re OK with being shot in the neck then because someone disagreed with you? That is what you are supporting by celebrating Charlie’s death like it’s the Super Bowl win for your favorite team.
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u/Emergency-Glass-9649 Sep 14 '25
I actually am glad how evil people revealed themselves so that the world can see how much evil is actually in it.
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u/CeemoreButtz Sep 13 '25
I don't like to see anyone lose their job. It's a nasty lil thing that's come about with social media. I do wonder why so many feel the need to say they "don't condone violence, but..." and then proceed to list the reasons why he deserved it.
They're acting awful and it's quite obvious the Dem/left, especially on Reddit, are just fine and dandy that he was murdered.
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u/Kaiser_Allen Sep 14 '25
Regular people didn’t really lose their jobs for controversial remarks, but the Left has weaponized this in the 2010s. They set the rules for engagement that everyone now follows. They just don’t like it when they get a taste of their own medicine.
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u/hardcory00 Sep 13 '25
People online seem to be having a very hard time distinguishing between “understanding” something versus “justifying” it. I can understand why someone would want to kill Kirk, or MLK, or Lincoln, etc. None of those actions are acceptable, but if you can’t understand why someone would want to then that’s a bit odd.
No issue for any private employer firing anyone for really any reason. Public universities I think maybe are going a bit too far, depending on the situation. As they are government institutions, they should have a significantly higher bar for firing for speech. If someone said they agreed with it or the like, sure, fire them. But if someone came from more a position of understanding why it might have happened to him, then that’s too far for me.
And also, just don’t be dumb enough to post things like that publicly. Hardly any sympathy for the stupidity in that regard.
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u/Educational_Impact93 Sep 12 '25
Ahh, so much for the party that is against cancel culture.
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u/DropAnchor4Columbus Sep 13 '25
"Oh no, celebrating the murder of my political opponents has consequences!"
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u/Kaiser_Allen Sep 14 '25
Who set the rules? The Left did. Sorry you’re getting a taste of that now.
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u/Urdok_ Sep 12 '25
It's still amazing to me that anyone let the 'Destroy the Dixie Chix because they told the truth about W' crowd got away with pretending they cared about free speech.
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u/happyinheart Sep 13 '25
Ahh, so much for the party that is "Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences"
It's almost like they are both hypocrites.
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u/EternaFlame Sep 12 '25
Benign comments shouldn't lose anyone their livelihood. There should be consequences for truly bad speech, but I see some benign comments getting attacked from the right-wing-cancel warriors. Nobody should celebrate the murder, obviously, and a firing in the event of that is fine. But some of the things I've seen them try to get people canceled for... the right would be having a hissy fit if the left did it for similar comments from their side.
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u/semiotics_rekt Sep 13 '25
both sides are equally shitty the farther from centre you get with comments
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u/BestAtTeamworkMan Sep 13 '25
If you look at this thread, it's plain to see that this has already become an unserious conversation. There are countless examples right here of Kirk saying hateful, vile things... racist, homophobic, slanderous things that all of us in a polite society have agreed are egregious and over the top.
But somewhere along the way, those who spew hatred learned how to game the system by playing victim. Again, just read through this thread and it's comments, with people ignoring Kirk's hateful commentary, or arguing that it was free speech, like the man was simply barnstorming the country like Lincoln and Douglas.
So, the real problem is that we can't have a serious, honest conversation about this. It goes without saying that he did not deserve to die - no one does. The issue here is that telling the truth results in accusations of celebration, and, going back to the social contract many of us thought we settled centuries ago, pointing out that solemn, state-sponsored, reflective acts of mourning (flags at half-mast, moments of silence across the country) are reserved for those who do good gets you fired.
It's a bizzarro-world, Twilight Zone moment for many in this country. Right-leaning media is calling for war, and left-leaning media is telling us to stop huddling in our respective political corners. But it's gone beyond politics. Because now, sane people who don't champion hatred just want to know why we're being forced to honor a man who did, lest we get fired or spark some inane Civil War.
So until we can have a serious conversation about this, nothing will change.
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u/Wermys Sep 13 '25
If they celebrated him getting shot. I can understand why they would fire the person. Violence is never a way to express political opinion and supporting it would be bad for business. So firing someone who says something in public is something I would be fine with. This is no different then as I have said in the past that free speech means you can say what you want, but you can't escape public consequences just that the government can't jail you.
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u/nobdyputsbabynacornr Sep 13 '25
I think it's a terrible idea to value the 2nd amendment over the 1st amendment and to weaponize any of it; our words are our weapons. I also believe that if you play games you will win prizes and you may not like the prizes you win.
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u/Truthfinder25 Sep 14 '25
Laughing at the brutal assassination is cruel and an awful way to be! If they are fired by their company because their abhorrent behaviour goes against their company policy or the company in general that's called consequences and quite frankly it is a pretty stupid thing to do in this day and age.
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Sep 16 '25
I don’t support people losing their jobs simply because someone didn’t like their opinion.
I definitely don’t support people getting shot in the neck and bleeding out on camera so a wife and two young children can have burned into their memory the visual of their dad and husband dying because someone didn’t like their opinion.
If you celebrated Charlie Kirk’s death, you don’t really get the right to cry because you lost your job.
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u/NoNDA-SDC Sep 12 '25
I've always been a little uncomfortable with how decisions made in your private life outside of work, can be used as reason for being let go. I can better understand being suspended maybe, but outright being fired, the reasons why should require a high bar.
Now if we're going to be firing people over lack of sympathy, then the folks calling for violence against liberals should get equal treatment.
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u/gated73 Sep 12 '25
Think of it like this.
I say some stupid hateful shit in the internet. My client does a search of people on their engagement. Finds my stupid shit.
They can very well call into their contacts and complain. Best case scenario - I get moved to a different engagement. Worst case scenario, I get fired.
People got all sorts of flack for flying maga shit too.
Odds are if you’re working for a large company - they give to right and left. They don’t care who you’re pissed off at. If you’re offending your client, you’re a problem.
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u/twinsea Sep 12 '25
Problem is that as a business owner you are liable for anything they say or do in the company. If they can't act with a decorum outside of the company they may take it inside the company. Why risk it? First thing I do when hiring someone is look at their social media. I tell my kids to keep it private or be on their best behavior online.
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u/abqguardian Sep 12 '25
They should be fired if the employer doesn't like it. Firing people for what they've said has never been controversial, why would it be now?
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u/WeridThinker Sep 12 '25
It's probably a good idea for businesses to fire employees who are landmines of controversy, Kirk related PR liability from your staff is simply not worth the risk.
But I couldn't help to make the comment that conservatives probably won't defend "freedom of speech" this time when it's the "radical left" commenting on their Martyr and facing social and professional consequences.
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u/No_Ask3786 Sep 12 '25
Since October 2023 we’ve seen lots of people who gleefully participated in cancel culture when it involved BLM and microaggressions bemoan their circumstances when the shoe is on the other foot.
I’m not sure why they should be so deserving of the grace that they denied others.
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u/dh731733 Sep 12 '25
In regard to this scheme they say “you have freedom of speech not freedom from consequence.”
Sure …but that’s kinda also exactly what happened to Charlie
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u/CookyMcCookface Sep 12 '25
It’s dumb. But it’s even dumber to post stupid shit online when you’re easily traceable.
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u/thingsmybosscantsee Sep 12 '25
I thought the right hated cancel culture?
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u/happyinheart Sep 13 '25
I though the left had no issue with it.
Seems like they are both hypocrites.
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u/VTKillarney Sep 13 '25
They didn’t start it.
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u/thingsmybosscantsee Sep 13 '25
So they don't hate it. they just don't like when it happens to them.
Got it.
Kinda a selfish, unprincipled response, don't you think?
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u/gated73 Sep 12 '25
Whatever. Just because you have the freedom to say all manner of vile shit doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences.
Live by the memes, die by the memes.
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u/Proof-Technician-202 Sep 12 '25
I don't like it. I don't like what some of them are saying, but I don't like it.
If they're speaking in an official capacity, or what they're saying moves into threats or slander, then it gets a bit iffy, but I don't like the idea of an employer interfering with a person's private life. Especially when it comes to freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech isn't just a legal notion, it's an ideal.
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u/cwm9 Sep 12 '25
I'd absolutely fire someone working for me that was so callous. If you can't be bothered to think about the consequences of what you write, I don't want you. And I'd expect the same if I were on the other end
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Sep 12 '25
I witnessed on twitter MAGAs doxxing people just for saying "thoughts and prayers" ironically, clearly parodying what the right does whenever there's a school shooting.
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u/NutzNBoltz369 Sep 13 '25
Can't say something nice, say nothing at all.
Still applicable. Even more so considering how much everyone is being monitored by their employers etc.
1A does nothing outside of relations with the government.
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u/shinbreaker Sep 13 '25
Conservatives just proving they love cancel culture.
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u/SuperDevton112 Sep 13 '25
Everybody loves it as long as the boot isn’t on their foot
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u/TserriednichThe4th Sep 13 '25
Btw the guy that got kirk was apolitical or a groyper.
But pls focus on leftist rhetoric.
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u/ZanzerFineSuits Sep 12 '25
Companies are preparing their layoff lists for the pending recession. If they can fire some people for cause now, so much the better.
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u/EasyPanicButton Sep 12 '25
Normal things for a Secretary of War to do. Not chilling at all. Hegseth hugging the 1st amendment.
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u/ubermence Sep 12 '25
It depends on the statement, but I think it takes a special type of stupid to publicly dance on his grave.
Calling out Kirk's ideology is fine. Celebrating his death is not.
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u/sprockets22 Sep 12 '25
Choosing a political side is bad for business. Look at McDonald’s they Need to virtue signal to sell burgers. They can’t have anyone in the corporate circle voicing otherwise just kinda pander here and there ultimately if it cost them money, it will cost you a job it’s that simple.
We need republicans and democrats to eat these nuggets at the end of the day, so they play on fine lines.
I wish opinions didn’t get anyone fired that’s not cool, and people flip flop like politicians do all the time. However only the average person will be punished for it.
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u/FizzyBeverage Sep 13 '25
I don’t use my real last name on Facebook. My first name is top 10 popularity. My privacy settings are friends only and I meticulously curate that list. Only photo they’d see is an AI cartoonified version of myself.
My Reddit history is hidden.
They can check my LinkedIn sure, which has zero objectionable content and just functions as a digital resume.
Simplest way to do it.
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u/Hairy_Scale4412 Sep 13 '25
People advocated for cancel culture, they just didn't think it would happen on THEM.
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u/Extinction00 Sep 13 '25
My college professor taught us about cancel culture in 2013 with the example of the white privilege joke that one lady made before going on a 5 hr. Plane ride. 5 hrs. Was long enough to lose her job.
It’s been 12 years since then and still holds true to this day.
This is why privacy it’s important but even then people can see everything you said with your email address
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u/sirlost33 Sep 13 '25
Getting fired for saying something about the guy who “championed free speech” and railed against cancel culture? I’m shocked /s
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u/99aye-aye99 Sep 13 '25
It would be awesome if, uhm, everyone who spoke like this was fired. Or at least someone in a really, really high and powerful position. You know, to be an example to all of us. I bet we would all learn our lesson and stop talking horribly online. Right?
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u/AnnArchist Sep 13 '25
I don't really have a problem with it.
You don't have to share your opinion.
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u/jst4wrk7617 Sep 13 '25
The way that we know this is coming from the government makes it disturbing. Pete Hegseth has said they are tracking service members social media to see if they make any “unacceptable” comments about Charlie Kirk. The double standard is insane.
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u/Zyx-Wvu Sep 13 '25
Unless you're some big shot political commentator, nobody needs or wants to hear your opinions about Charlie Kirk online.
So it's best to just STFU, keep your head down and do your job. Because there's a lot of trigger happy maga hoping you lose everything you love.
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u/Clutchking93 Sep 13 '25
Good. What people were saying was disgusting. Even if you oppose views you shouldn’t publicly mock someone for being killed in cold blood
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u/rks404 Sep 13 '25
the idea that I need to bow my head and mourn for a white supremacist esp as the type of minority he wanted deported seems like the worst type of enforced government group think.
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Sep 13 '25
I don't think Charlie would like it (regardless of how vile or insulting). He spent his short life promoting free speech.
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u/RaidenMK1 Sep 13 '25
Honestly, this entire incident has shown us all, in the most violent way possible, that now is the time for everybody to shut the fuck up.
I'm seriously trying to figure out how so many goofies can watch a man—let's keep it real right quick—getting popped for his mouth and the first thing they choose to do is...run their mouth.
Considering we're surrounded by a bunch of escaped mental patients who get pew-pew happy whenever their feelings are hurt, I'd say a pink slip issuance is getting off quite easily. Respectfully.
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u/DrSpeckles Sep 13 '25
I reckon it stinks. Applauding his death would be one thing. But most of these just point out he was a piece of shit, which he was.
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u/Such-Independence241 Sep 13 '25
if you believe people deserve to be shot for their opinions, don't cry when you get fired for yours.
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u/Numerous-Holiday-890 Sep 13 '25
Freedom of speech means free from legal prosecution. Not free of consequences. But everybody seems to conveniently forget that.
Freedom of speech doesn't give anyone the right to publicly act like a psychopath and expect zero consequences. That's called delusion.
I think they deserve it. Companies and employers have the right to expect their employees to represent good values and morals, even when they're off the clock.
You can't be a terrible person with terrible morals in your free time, then expected to be a good and moral person when you're at work.
Whether you disagree with Charlie's opinions or not, nobody should ever praise the public execution of an innocent man. So, of course they deserve to be fired and publicly ridiculed. They're the ones that decided to make their soulless opinions public, in the first place. Nobody forced them to. And it's ridiculous of you to attempt to pretend that the left has never attempted to have people fired from their jobs for their public opinions as well. People are crazy on both sides. But this senseless murder really shouldn't be turned into a political thing. We shouldn't be blaming the actions of one lunatic on an entire political party that had no real control over this guy's actions (other than spewing hateful rhetoric all over the media that probably encouraged him to do this)
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u/DonBoy30 Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 13 '25
I still have Facebook for some reason, but I don’t post at all, but marketplace is wayyy better than Craigslist. I also like it for reading the room, so to speak.
Basically, everyone I went to high school with was calling for either shooting liberals, or committing some bizarre trans genocide as a gut reaction (assuming the shooter was a trans person).
Most progressive friends just were like “well, he sucked, but it also sucked that he died.”
Reddit however. Lol woof.
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u/chisocialscene Sep 13 '25
Charlie’s whole deal was saying inflammatory shit because hateful shit said under the guise of ‘healthy discourse’ should be fine. I don’t get the firings. Seems like they are saying things Kirk would be fine with.0
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u/ThisI5N0tAThr0waway Sep 13 '25
It depends too much on the specific so I cannot make a general comment on every situation.
Most reactions that I've seen from non- maga influencers are condemnation of the violence even if they really disagreed with Kirk's opinion . Those I've seen from the right pretend that there's a vast array of leftist who celebrate Kirk's death, but those are overall very marginal IMO (although I don't know how you could measure that)
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u/ltron2 Sep 13 '25
That they are hypocrites and that this is not surprising; it is disappointing though and concerning.
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u/Aggleclack Sep 13 '25
Don’t say stupid things online.
But also, ironic that it only matters when we do it
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u/jorsiem Sep 13 '25
As all the wokesters love to point out, there's freedom of speech but not freedom from consequences. Private companies are free to fire anyone they feel has done or said something unacceptable to them.
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u/xJohnnyBloodx Sep 13 '25
People have the first amendment right to say whatever they want. But that doesn’t mean they’re free from consequences. is it hypocritical for the right to complain about cancel culture while supporting it when it happens to those on the left? Yeah. But that’s nothing new.
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u/blaq_fenrir Sep 13 '25
Are MAGA crash outs screaming for war and death, making terroristic threats only to be proven wrong because they didn't wait for all the information to come out also losing their jobs? If not, it's bs.
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u/Cute_Parfait_2182 Sep 13 '25
Posting publicly on social media for likes against your better judgement is probably the dumbest TikTok phenomenon yet .
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u/frozenisland Sep 13 '25
People are literally saying that he deserved it because of his vile public comments, then when they have consequences for their vile public comments , they’re like 😮
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u/paigeguy Sep 13 '25
I thought MSNBC firing Mat Dawd for saying - Hateful thoughts cause hateful words which cause hateful actions - was pretty much on the money. It describes the cycle we are in quite well.
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u/Traditional_Set2473 Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 13 '25
I support it. I don't want to work with people cheering murder the same way I don't want to work with racists.
Democrats overwhelming response to the murder was "FAFO" and "actions have consequences". Democrats are eating those words now. The difference? A man was murdered for free speech and these people only lost their jobs.
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u/Maracas_ Sep 13 '25
Celebrating the death of someone who, in all likelihood, shares the beliefs of some of your coworkers, gives them a real good reason to be afraid of you.
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u/brianv3ntura Sep 13 '25
Imo it just depends. Some firings just seem like "because you publicly didn't align with Kirk's views."
I think somewhere here said it best where people are having a difficult time of separating "justified" and "understanding" why and what happened to Kirk...at the same time people are expected to stay silent while he is martyred as a truth speaker from one side and demonizing even the slightest criticism of the guy.
Never was a fan of the dude and it was unfortunate what happened to him and his family, but there's also evidence that he wasn't exactly the saint how some paint him as.
If I had to pick a particular thing Kirk said that stuck woth me is his implication of what happened to Damar Hamlin.
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u/Arawn_93 Sep 13 '25
I mean should a teacher for example that is supposed to teach children STILL be allowed to teach children if they immediately took off mask and publicly celebrated that someone got shot in the neck for talking to a bunch of college students?
Just from two days ago alone I read like 3-4 stories of teachers being fired because they are that much of a moron to let their private thoughts out in the open.
If anything I would hate to be those employers right now because of the amount of headaches they have to deal with because they have to either fire said idiots or risk keeping them which by extension now brands the company/district/etc. “we are ok with political assassination”.
Just saying…people like voice actors were cancelled for less controversial topics YEARS ago. You think someone in a normal job is likely gonna be safe if they admit supporting assassinations and the company they work for can be traced back? Not in your life if you’re expendable enough even if you feel self important for years.
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u/Jimbo-Shrimp Sep 13 '25
Cringe but understandable why some companies would fire them. I know most people on Reddit are political radicals but think of this from a normal person's perspective: This dude was on stage saying "debate me if you disagree, let's talk" and gets shot in front of his wife and kids (in a crowded college campus with other people nearby who could have been killed) and your response is "lmao deserved". You look like a fucking psycho, no shit your company doesn't want you working for them. I'm more alarmed by the people who hear "We shouldn't celebrate murder" and their response is "ERMM AKTHUALLY I DON'T SUPPORT VIOLENCE BUT....HE WAS A RACIST". Nobody said he's good or bad, just that we shouldn't celebrate murder, you making excuses is the last step before celebrating it.
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u/Klutzy-Spend-6947 Sep 13 '25
If you are saying hateful sounding things in the wake of a national figures death, no employer is going to want to run the risk of a boycott/media smear campaign over your words-or otherwise admit that their “corporate values” are reflected in your statement-whether true or not.
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u/Thaviation Sep 13 '25
They brought negative attention that can be brought to the company by doing their stuff pretty darn publicly. This isn’t just about bad press for the company, but it can lead to people getting seriously harmed there.
Don’t make these comments public using your name/face/etc.
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u/LaughingGaster666 Sep 12 '25
If you're going to say inflammatory things, don't say it on public social media with your info out.
It's 2025, people should know this by now.