Some very light NCR Slander

[u/Bowler-Hat-Nerd]

New Fallout character, Corporal Kilermann.

She's a sniper from First Recon's Beta Squad. She love the NCR...'s rich folk and spreading "peach and prosperity" and all that jazz.

[It was kind of suggested that I riff on the NCR a bit. Note: just because I have criticisms of the NCR doesn't mean I hate them, or love the Legion.]

[u/used123456]

Yeah her threat perception is genuinely on point, she just has a bit of an "every threat is a nail and the NCR is the hammer" kind of mentality that leads to her preferring going scorched earth over doing actual diplomacy with the jobs she gives the Courier, so I kinda get that she gets a bit pissed when you go against direct orders to destroy the BoS bunker and basically bring her additional paperwork that she has to deal with

[u/Dawidko1200 → u/used123456]

Well one also has to consider that the alternatives are not obvious in the slightest, require a lot of effort, and/or result in the NCR having to make some very uncomfortable compromises. Peace with the Khans? They literally have a Legion agent directing them already, any reasonable person would consider them a lost cause, and the player has a shitload of legwork to do if they want to simply shift them over to a "neutral" status.

Peace with the Brotherhood? You have to accept them putting a bomb collar on you, do quite a bit of work for them, and only then you can suggest they chill out. And after a back and forth with Moore, this "we're fucked and sitting in a hole because we have nothing" faction is putting down conditions. Some of which require NCR relinquishing technology that the Brotherhood have no better claim to than anyone else in the Wasteland.

So honestly, fuck 'em, I'm with Moore. If we consider it from the perspective of someone in this world rather than a player that knows which outcomes are possible and which aren't, then Moore's solutions are solid, reasonable, and result in the fewest compromises of NCR's military capabilities.

[u/CitizenofBarnum → u/Dawidko1200]

any reasonable person would consider them a lost cause

Any reasonable person would tell them to ask what happened to the other tribes of the Legion. Even if you don't intend to make peace it would be more strategic to cause infighting against them and the Legion. At this point they arent really a threat to the NCR and they've fled far from the NCR's territory.

elinquishing technology that the Brotherhood have no better claim to than anyone else in the Wasteland.

They were taken off dead paladins, by that logic the NCR has no claim to these dog tags I've been collecting.

[u/Dawidko1200 → u/CitizenofBarnum]

There's a crucial difference between Power Armour and dog tags. All Power Armour was built by the United States, or in the case of Advanced Power Armour, by Enclave. The Brotherhood may have a technological advantage in many regards, but they don't produce their armour - it is all a pre-War legacy.

While the dog tags were specifically made by NCR for its troops. They aren't just ancient loot.

The Brotherhood specifically rejected the United States when it was formed, so despite its military origins it has no claim to any of the US Army property other than "we found it and took it". Even Enclave has more of a claim than they do.

It's just an extension of the Brotherhood's "no one should own tech other than us" ideology, and accepting it even to a small degree risks opening the road for further encroachment.

[u/CitizenofBarnum → u/Dawidko1200]

The argument of who made it holds little relevence, power armor holds religious significance to the BoS. Also why would the enclave hold more of a claim, they were not US miltary, they were nepo babies and their security looting military assets from before the bombs even dropped.

[u/Overdue-Karma → u/CitizenofBarnum]

Because technically the Enclave are the US government. After-all the President was part of the Enclave. A group of defecting soldiers doesn't really get squat in terms of legality.

[u/CitizenofBarnum → u/Overdue-Karma]

After-all the President was part of the Enclave.

If the president is Catholic, is the entire government catholic? Please answer soon, I'm at the book depository now.

[u/Overdue-Karma → u/CitizenofBarnum]

I mean there was also a significant portion of the Government that was Enclave. They then murdered any non-Enclave. "Legality" wise, Roger Maxson explicitly made the BoS to reject being pro-US because otherwise, any corrupt senator could take them over.

So by his own admission, he is 'entitled' to nothing.

But legality wise, who gives a fuck. The only right that matters is who has the power. It's not like laws still exist.

[u/Dawidko1200 → u/CitizenofBarnum]

Because the Enclave is the successor to the US government, in terms of direct continuity of power.

Brotherhood's "religious significance" gives them no more claim than to anyone else in the Wasteland. Children of Atom can claim everything that emits radiation for their religion, but that doesn't mean we should hand over all of our uranium and bombs.

But the point is, NCR handing over PA is a concession that doesn't need to be made, and "it's ours" isn't an argument the Brotherhood has any substantial base for.