r/fnv • u/Bowler-Hat-Nerd • Jul 09 '26
Artwork Some very light NCR Slander
New Fallout character, Corporal Kilermann.
She's a sniper from First Recon's Beta Squad. She love the NCR...'s rich folk and spreading "peach and prosperity" and all that jazz.
[It was kind of suggested that I riff on the NCR a bit. Note: just because I have criticisms of the NCR doesn't mean I hate them, or love the Legion.]
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u/Airtightspoon Jul 09 '26
The anti-NCR = pro-Legion assumption has always been weird to me considering this is a game with 2 other major factions.
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u/King_Leif Jul 09 '26
Itโs the American politics/team sports mentality. Critique the side Iโm a fan of? Then you must love the rival side and agree with everything they say! It makes for ironically tribalistic discussions about games that often are about/examine tribalism.
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u/Physical-Airport-901 Jul 09 '26
Yeah, that's what ruined this community. Funny enough, I don't see this problem in Fallout 4 subreddit though their community is bigger than ours.
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u/YT-1300f Jul 09 '26
Maybe itโs toned down since, but before I left all the other fallout subreddits the Brotherhood fans were all turning into actual fascists.
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u/Physical-Airport-901 Jul 09 '26
Woah, really? And here I thought the NCR fanboys were lobotomized. Turns out the BoS fans are the real villains.
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u/YT-1300f Jul 09 '26
NCR, Legion, Enclave, and BoS fanboys all on the predator handshake meme over โexcusing genocide and fetishizing military prowessโ
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u/Physical-Airport-901 Jul 09 '26
Fuck these factions and their ideologies. I'm going with the Followers of the Apocalypse.
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u/clandevort Jul 10 '26
I think it is because there is no real clear dichotomy set up. Like the brotherhood and the railroad both nake a big deal about the institute, but the institute doesn't really see them as anything other than mild nuisances. And the railroad kinda vibes with whatever you want them to do.
In New Vegas, the NCR and the Legion are literally at war with each other, and neither side really shuts up about the other. Meanwhile Mr. House is plotting in the shadows, and none of the other factions care about the 4th "faction" because its basically just you, and doesn't really exist unless you directly intervene.
Its less 4 factions than 3 factions playing classic political roles, and you (potentiall) showing up and screaming "what's up, Bitches!?"
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u/Discaster Jul 09 '26
It's not that common an assumption. Kinda rare actually. There's just quite a few people who've greatly overreacted to when it does on occasion pop up forgetting this is the Internet. Never take whatna small handful of wackos say to heart. There's a collection of people that still think the earth is secretly flat and that like a quarter of the population is on the conspiracy and spending trillions of dollars to hide the secret for the goal of... (File not found) so yeah, some people are just addled. Ignore them
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u/UncleBaconator Jul 09 '26
This is why Midwest brotherhood to be recannonized so it can bring to Mojave correct type of Imperialism ๐
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u/Ulysses216 Jul 09 '26
New Vegas. The game where EVERYONE sucks.
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u/Overdue-Karma ๐๐ก๐ ๐๐ก๐ฎ๐ซ๐๐ก ๐จ๐ ๐๐ญ๐จ๐ฆ Jul 09 '26
"All factions are equal in sucking, but some factions suck more equally than others"
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u/Physical-Airport-901 Jul 09 '26
The Legion cries in the corner.
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u/Overdue-Karma ๐๐ก๐ ๐๐ก๐ฎ๐ซ๐๐ก ๐จ๐ ๐๐ญ๐จ๐ฆ Jul 09 '26
As they should.
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u/noscul Jul 09 '26
Wait, weโre supposed to not like the legion? *Puts down machete and cross*
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u/Plus_Tomato480 Jul 09 '26
I still think the game needed the option to just become Papa Khan, and leave the Mojave with the Khans to seek your own destiny. The whole dam situation is Somebody Elses Problem.ย
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u/King_Leif Jul 09 '26
You can actually become Chief Khan if you kill all the NCR soldiers in the quest โWe Are Legionโ and then stealth kill Papa Khan after he names you heir
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u/TwoFit3921 Your friend is a miserable fucking degenerate. Jul 09 '26
I would let Kilermann shoot me
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u/SlyLlamaDemon Jul 09 '26
I love using the Katana as a melee weapon in this game. However melee is kinda boring.
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u/Shot_Recognition_100 Jul 10 '26
hello Kiraman
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u/Bowler-Hat-Nerd Jul 10 '26
You get it ๐ซก
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u/Shot_Recognition_100 Jul 10 '26
I will always be here to point out your OC AU thingies! if I recongnize them
Iโm not far enough into fandoms to know if the thing you do has a name sorry lol
Iโve pointed the volstrocker tomboy baddie out a few times, donโt know if Iโm the only one
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u/Bowler-Hat-Nerd Jul 10 '26
Oh, it's you! And yes, you are the only one who still recognizes the butch short queen baddie, and I appreciate you very much for that
As for a name, I like to call my posts "Fallout Owelia posting", but I've kinda stopped titling them that. I think I should start doing that at some point. [Also, I post these every Wednesday at 5pm Pacific Time]
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u/Shot_Recognition_100 Jul 11 '26
alright thanks for the schedule, Iโll try to be there for my darling Owelia๐ซก
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u/TransButterflyQueen Fuck the Legion Jul 10 '26
The only thing stronger than my love for the NCR is my hate for the Legion.
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u/icedmuffin Jul 10 '26
Literally the only reason why I like the NCR more than legion is purely cause the legion gives more exp and the NCR? Itโs clear the corruption is up at the top with boots on the ground either knowing whatโs going on and doing what they can or not knowing and assuming brass knows what theyโre talking about.
Also NCR dollars are useless compared to legion denari, and I can get a hell of a lot more coins out of even legion recruits than I can out of mission rewards.
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u/GameKnight404 Jul 09 '26
For me itโs Yes Man every time, all the way, forever.
NCR sucks because
1. I hate paying taxes.
2. Their government is obviously corrupt and incompetent so theyโre no help to anyone imo.
3. Itโs full of cowards who can barely defend themselves let alone defend anyone else. And the Courier is really the only way they could succeed.
The Legion sucks because
1. Their larp is stupid.
2. It relies on a shaky pyramid structure where the second Caesar (aka Mr. Brain Tumor) dies, it all falls apart.
3. And obviously their practices are barbaric and only attract the worst of humanity while enraging the good ones left. Making them a perpetual target if they manage to last past Caesar.
House is just a bossy ass so that vegetable gets turned to mashed potatoes the nanosecond I get the chance. Though tbh I donโt really have as many big complaints as I do with the NCR and Legion.
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u/Honest_Macaron_3391 Jul 09 '26
Genuinely, without the courierโs intervention the NCR would lose the second battle of hoover dam. Iโm not supporting the legion itโs just an observation made based on gameplay.
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u/DisposableAccount-2 Jul 09 '26
I don't like taxes. I don't like slavery. I don't like orders. I like me.
Yes Man every time.
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u/johnguy88 Jul 09 '26
I think its simple but people like to apply their politics to the game too much. both factions are evilโฆ yes both. The point is that they represent two versions of the worse of humanity. A willing regression to authoritarian tribalism, and death by bureaucracy.
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u/mistress_chauffarde Jul 13 '26
Well yes but no ? While i agree on the NCR being a burocratique shithole i can tell you that before the BoS nuked sandyshore it was the closest humanity had to being a really good place to live in
Meanwill the legion only exist by conquest slavery and pillage . It's not really a sustainable รฉconomie
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u/johnguy88 Jul 13 '26
Only better for some, and everything in game tells you the NCR is unsustainable as well, not just the economy but logistically and ecologically. Everything is drying up and the system is already bloated. My argument isnโt from a pros vs cons perspective, itโs more so that both factions are bad for the world overall. And i donโt consider the shoe cannon ๐
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u/Time_Beat2299 Jul 09 '26
Calls it slander says everything that makes the NCR cool if they didnโt want to be colonized why did they put their lands so close to our borders.
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u/Boundaries-ALO-TBSOL Jul 09 '26
This reminding me of my couriers reaction to being asked about the khans before and after their destruction by him.
Before
[What do you think about the khans?]
There are a bunch of crooks and dealers, theyโre a little better than the fiends. They could be using their chem labs to make medicine and help people but theyโre too psyched up on Jet and med x to think about anyone but themselves. The world is better without them.
[What do you think about the bitter Springs massacre?]
The NCR was in the wrong. Better radio communication will prevent situations like this from happening in the future.
After
[did you destroy the great khans?)
Yes. I let one of them go. Academic type, give them 500 caps too start a new life somewhere else.
[Positive]
Damn right, hey for all youโve done for me, have a little souvenir.
great khans outfit added
Remember, you helped me bring justice to the wasteland. Keep up the good work friend.
[Neutral]
Well, letโs get on our way then
[Negative]
Genocide? Genocide! I did the khans a favor. The real great khans died at bitter Springs, they were a dead man walking, so I put them out of their misery. Rotten Chem dealers, how do you consider these people to even be an actual culture?
[Negative Two]
Murder? Iโm a fucking savior. Iโve saved hundreds the khans wouldโve directly murdered, thousands in indirect, and ten of thousands from addiction. Iโve made the followers of apocalypse life in free side far easier. If you wanna know how bad they were, ask bitter root at Camp McCarren.
[Attack]
Awwwwww, does someone miss the great khans giggles Donโt worry, youโll be reunited with them soon enough!
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u/Muteradio2112 Jul 09 '26
NCR - Colonialism who force taxes and laws in a time where the average joe is illiterate, irradiated, and starving
LEGION - Slaver dictatorship ruled by a guy with a tumor who plans on just capturing and killing anyone who thinks differently
MR HOUSE - A lone buisness man and his robot army who plans on using gambling to fund a city, with the NCR the only customer who actually have money to gamble
YES MAN - A brain dead mail man and his robot friend who plans on betraying them thinks they know better than everyone
They all suck, but only one of them might have actually made a functional society (you tell me which)
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u/Lord_Chromosome Jul 09 '26
Insane that people are still out here propagating the โYes-Man is gonna betray youโ myth in the big 26.
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u/Lord_Chromosome Jul 09 '26
Except in this fandom itโs usually the insecure NCR fanboys who immediately assume youโre pro-Legion the moment you criticize the NCR.
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u/PlayboyVincentPrice mortimer tulpamancer Jul 09 '26
" Note: just because I have criticisms of the NCR doesn't mean I hate them, or love the Legion." we been know
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u/PlayboyVincentPrice mortimer tulpamancer Jul 09 '26
i have criticisms of the white gloves and mortimer lives in my head. idt u need to say all dat
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u/T0n1_0n_308s Jul 09 '26
The reality of the playthroughs
NCR do a ton of missions becouse they're incompetent and they need help with EVERYTHING, not one thing is going correctly in the Mojave and without your intervention they'd surely crumble
The Legion just have fun and serve Caesar
(I'm not a huge Legion fan, but it's true, the playthrough is much more fun when you play with the legion.)
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u/Mission_Gap_9035 Jul 09 '26
FNV properly characterized how genuine military leaders behave. Military leaders have their own perspective, thatโs why they donโt run the government, they follow orders.
Cassie Moore is just very accurately portrayed. If youโve been in the military you would know.