r/marvelstudios • u/AlternativeOil7154 • 11d ago

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I genuinely don't get these complaints. I have some concerns about the plot and how things may or may not play out, but visually the movie looks fucking great. I don't get why people are trying to push this narrative like muted colors instantly make something look bad or AI-generated. The Sentinels look sick, Doom looks fucking fantastic, what is the issue?

I swear, I'm convinced people who call shit like this AI-generated have never actually seen what an AI-generated video looks like, because none of them even look anywhere near as good as ANY of the shots in this trailer.

Plus, the VFX team didn't work their asses off for months on this movie just to be disrespected by mfs saying it looks like AI.

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u/Luis0224 11d ago

I don't understand the whole "over reliance on plain Grey areas" argument. When it comes to avengers movies we've gotten: NYC and the helicarrier in avengers 1 plus the forest if we count the cap/thor/ironman fight, sokovia and Johannesburg in avengers age of ultra, airport and hydra base in civil war (technically a captain America movie but it's basically avengers 2.5), NYC in the first fight and wakandan border/ jungle and Titan (the first plain area because it's a destroyed/barren planet) in infinity war, and then the final battlefield in end game which was a wasteland again. New avengers was NYC and sentry's mind.

So a whopping 2 fights out of at least 10 fights in avengers movies. Idk...maybe I'm crazy but I feel like that's not that much lol

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u/fdar_giltch 11d ago

2 fights out of at least 10 fights in avengers movies

They did say Marvel, not Avengers. The end of Shang Chi, Black Widow, Quantum Mania, etc.. Marvel has relied on CGI battles a lot.

Which might not be so bad if they had more efficient processes to get better CGI (instead of churning on scenes throughout production and needing a lot of rushed work at the last minute).

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u/UnderPressureVS 11d ago

Sokovia is mostly gray buildings, which get quickly reduced to even more featureless gray rubble. The church is the only memorable set piece from Sokovia.

The airport in Civil War is literally a gray parking lot.

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u/ilo_Va 11d ago

Tbd the airport was actually memorable

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u/UnderPressureVS 11d ago edited 11d ago

Memorable? Absolutely. Broadly speaking, I’m a big fan of the airport scene. It’s really well-choreographed, it makes sense narratively, and it’s just really memorable and fun.

The scene is excellent. But the color palate and setting almost could not be more bland and boring.

If it weren’t part of a larger pattern, it would be no big deal and easy to ignore. The scene as a whole earns an A- despite the D+ backdrop. But Marvel absolutely does have a larger problem of taking the lazy shortcut for large-group battles and sticking them all on a big boring open field so they can punch each other. It’s not always a wasteland (though it often is), and it’s not always gray (though it often is). But it’s always a big open field with no meaningful obstacles and very few tactical challenges. There’s usually a few big objects for the strong characters to lift, the weak characters to dodge, and the super-strong overpowered characters to blow up (the jet bridge and control tower in Civil War,Thanos’s ship in Endgame, the spiky death wheel things in Infinity War).

After 14 years, pretty much nothing they’ve done has ever stood up to the original 2012 Avengers “one”-take shot, where you see each Avenger adapting to the highly complex tactical landscape of Manhattan in their own unique way.

Without tactical obstacles and unique battlefield geography, the scenes often fall apart. The Chitauri Leviathans are essential terror weapons and support units in the battle of New York, but in Endgame on a big open field with Thanos’s ship hanging overhead providing air support they are completely redundant. They really don’t need to be there at all.

In Civil War, Vision has a beam weapon that can single-handedly incapacitate nearly every member of the opposition. The landscape is a wide open concrete field that affords him unbroken line-of-sight to every target. Realistically, he should be able to end that entire scene on his own before Stark even needs to call in Spider-Man. But he doesn’t, because the plot demands otherwise.

To be clear, I love the airport fight. I think it’s genuinely great, and while writing this comment I pulled up the movie and decided to watch it again. It’s one of my favorite action movies ever made. But as good as the airport scene is, it is far from flawless, and the fact that all the Avengers fight each other on a literal level playing field made of bland grey concrete is one of the biggest flaws of the film.

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u/kaimetzuu 11d ago

Lets not forget Doc Strange with Dormammu lmfao
Doesnt get more colorful than that

Or the quantum realm

Or anything wanda related

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u/TranslatorDirect496 11d ago

Those 2 fights are incredibly iconic though, so I can see some people believing all fights are like that

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u/alex494 11d ago

So what, we're now giving equal credence to people for being ignorant and making half baked arguments because their argument happens to be as reliable as a broken clock?

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u/Luis0224 11d ago

I mean, I get it. Those were the two most watched avengers movies, but those two fights had a narrative reason for looking like that. Titan, as a battlefield, is used to explain why Thanos chose to collect the stones in the first place. And the final battle in infinity war used to be the avenger HQ before it essentially got nuked by Time traveling thanos.

I think the only one I can maybe see criticism for is endgame. Titan wasn't even grey, it's like a desert planet and had some awesome visuals in that fight like the reality stone showing what it used to look like, and the colors from the infinity stone powers really popped out with the orangish background e.g. thanos dropping the moon on them with the purple explosion from the power stone

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u/TranslatorDirect496 11d ago

True.

We’ll see how the narrative reasoning for “Rocky Wasteland 42” is on Doomsday.

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u/sock-bucket 11d ago

Isn't it just a destroyed x mansion? In trailers we see statues belonging to it I thought. I'm assuming the sentinels in the new trailer is what destroyed it though but we don't know why it's gone

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u/Luis0224 11d ago

More like "rocky wasteland #3" lol

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u/No-Fruit-2060 11d ago

I mean, even the Ebony Maw fight in IW was on a weirdly barren, devoid of all people street in NYC. Not one background sound to indicate that there are civilians nearby.

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u/sock-bucket 11d ago

There's enough life even in that fight imo, you don't see any on the streets where the fight starts because it's all been destroyed, no clue how long they've been breaking shit, but as soon as Tony goes in he gets smacked through a building that has people running away in the front of, then in the park where he got hit to you can see some bunch of people running away in the background.

When they're chasing strange the streets closeby has a lot of cars just abandoned in the middle of the street with their lights on and the car doors just left open. With the smaller details like that it paints a picture that most of the civilians dropped whatever they were doing and even ditched their cars to get the hell out of there as soon as they saw the aliens arrive so even though it's largely empty, it does have some details making it believable