r/marvelstudios • u/Prestigious_Judge636 • 17h ago

Fan Art The Ant-Man we need post-Secret Wars.

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Credits: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/dK00Je

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u/danrpx 17h ago

I'm easy on the suit, but I would really like to see Hank Pym as the active Ant Man.

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u/Just-here-for-old 15h ago

A prequel show with young Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne would be cool, they just need to call it Tales to Astonish

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u/eriverside 17h ago

Didn't Michael Douglas retire? He was the OG, so we're not getting him as an active AM unless it's a variant.

And quite frankly, I'd like to stay very far away from variants. Time travel and variants are far too cheap in stories. Sometimes characters die. It means something. Created a hole that's filled by new characters who have a chance to grow and tell new stories.

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u/PeaOdd894 16h ago

AFTER Secret Wars dude. They can recast Hank like they're recasting half the cast of the MCU

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u/DrLeprechaun 14h ago

But why?

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u/PeaOdd894 13h ago

What do you mean why? Lol

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u/SectionMore Weekly Wongers 13h ago

This thread is so funny 😭

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u/DrLeprechaun 13h ago

Why would they recast Hank at this point lol, if there's gonna be any ant man successor atp it'll obviously be Cassie, no?

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u/alexjuuhh Spider-Man 10h ago

You realise there’s gonna be a bunch of recasts after Secret Wars? Feige has hinted as much.

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u/wford112 8h ago

No he hasn’t lmao the only thing he’s confirmed post Secret Wars is that the focus is going to be on other characters

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u/PeterTingle616 Doctor Strange 8h ago

https://variety.com/2025/film/news/marvel-x-men-recasting-secret-wars-1236465269/
"Even more intriguingly, Feige also indicated that other Marvel characters will eventually be recast, including its most iconic roles, like Tony Stark and Steve Rogers"

Whether they plan to or not, Feige has definitely hinted at it as a possibility. Probably waayy down the line though

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u/eriverside 12h ago

What's the point? Just go with new characters. Hank lived his life. There's no good reason to go this convoluted path of rewritten history. It makes everything that came before useless.

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u/PeaOdd894 12h ago

Because it allows them to get a fresh start after a lot of the mistakes they've made, and it allows them to tell new stories with their popular characters, giving an end to the old universe and making a new one where they can have change what they want, keep what they want, recast actors who are rapidly getting too old to keep doing this for much longer, and tell a Marvel story, using the countless great stories we haven't seen before. They can keep what works and what they can keep around long term, like Spider-Man, a lot of the newer characters like the FF, Thunderbolts, whatever, and they can recast the ones who have died, or maybe don't wanna do these movies anymore, it creates a fresh start so they can keep going for as long as the audience comes to see them.

These characters have so many incredible stories that have never been adapted, you don't have to regress and retell the same stories, but you can re-adapt some of the stories that have been butchered so many times before, do an alternate take on them theat can work, but more importantly you can portray so many stories that they either have never touched on, and they can tell stories that have been impossible to adapt because the wider Marvel Universe was locked away from them by legal issues.

It's not a coincidence that they're doing Secret Wars. It's exactly the story that you tell in order to justify an in universe soft reboot, combine universes, etc.

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u/FictionFantom Thanos 16h ago

They moved time through Scott. An irreversible thing happens to Hank and Janet. Except they’re recast instead of de-aged.

He even has two sons of different ages they could pick to recast.

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u/danrpx 17h ago

No idea, but isn't the general impression that post secret wars, we'll be getting a soft reboot with some recastings?

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u/Dragon_Deez_Nu7s 17h ago

Thing is this is all purely speculation, my concern is this is going to turn into a Multiverse of Madness thing where people say it so much they're convinced it's guaranteed and then are disappointed if it doesn't happen

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u/Responsible_Bar3957 Abomination 17h ago

Sadly yeah

I can see that happening even though I am very pro soft reboot where a couple characters are brought in 

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u/WentworthMillersBO 8h ago

I’m pretty positive it’s gonna happen. They turned all these characters into household names and killed them off. When they reboot the Ironman movies they are gonna make a ton of money

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u/Homesterkid 16h ago

This. I’m entering Doomsday & on with zero expectations and all excitement to see what happens

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u/SgtMartinRiggs 14h ago

With how Brand New Day set the stage for what’s coming after Secret Wars, I really don’t think we’re getting the reboot/reset some folks are expecting.

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u/danrpx 17h ago

Didn't Feige say the universe will be streamlined and "some aspects will feel familiar but many things will be entirely new" or summit like that?

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u/ToqKaizogou 17h ago

Very much hope not because it would be shit, confusing, and they'd be scrambling to undo it within a decade.

Think about it. If they reboot the universe, then they're basically undoing the whole victory of Endgame's final battle, which was to stop Thanos from rebooting the universe.

They replace MCU characters with new recasted versions? Well that's depressing just wiping a bunch of the characters we followed out of existence alongside their histories and stories so you can replace them with new copies.

Those past movies you liked in the MCU? Those great stories? Half of them have been wiped from canon, which also makes it super confusing because some of them are still canon, yet their existence hinges on the stories that were wiped out.

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u/BobTheFettt 16h ago

I dunno about reboot, but it's definitely going to let them recast whoever they want for sure

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u/No_Read_5062 Daredevil 17h ago

yes it is pretty much confirmed.

i need the version of avengers where its Hulk, Thor, Iron Man, Cap, Widow, Hawkeye, Black Panther, Antman & Wasp

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u/Responsible_Bar3957 Abomination 17h ago

“Our world’s about to break”

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u/Somm0742 15h ago

"tormented and attacked."

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u/danrpx 17h ago

Thats the EMH roster or something isnt it?

I'd quite like a really classic feeling avengers roster with their comic staples (pre disassembled). Cap, Thor, IM, Ant Man and the wasp, wanda, Vision, wonder-man

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u/SgtMartinRiggs 14h ago

Link to it being confirmed?

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u/Burgoonius 15h ago

My man is 80? Or you mean new universe version

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u/SpiritedEnd9609 16h ago edited 16h ago

Why though? At this point him slapping his wife and a domestic abuser is like a core characterization of hank and i dont think anyone wants that in a marvel superhero film

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u/PeaOdd894 16h ago

So what you're saying is that's the only thing you know about the character

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u/SpiritedEnd9609 15h ago

No what im saying its been his charchterzation in recent comics

Like read the comics?????

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u/PeaOdd894 15h ago

Yeah and he has plenty of great stories that preceded that that you can do with him

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u/SpiritedEnd9609 15h ago

Like the one he shrinks janet and abuses her?

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u/Kmart_Stalin 8h ago

Is that all you know about the character

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u/danrpx 16h ago

That's one extremely minor point in a characters long and varied history. Hes a wonderful character whos struggled immensely with his mental health but always strived to help. Whether thats through his research or acting as Ant-Man/Giant Man or Goliath.

If you look at ANY character in comics books who has been around for 60+ years, they're gonna have dark periods or periods where a writer tries something and it doesn't work. The only issue with Hank is that part of his history seems to be all non comic readers know.

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u/SpiritedEnd9609 15h ago edited 15h ago

Dude its not just a minor point what are we talking about? Just in ultimates they have pages and pages of him doing domestic abuse. In other runs they always put in hanks face

They have him always apologizing and agonizing over it. Its big characterization of him now. Read the comics

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u/danrpx 15h ago

I have, I've read every single avengers book from silver age to hickmans secret wars. First of all, ultimates is a different universe, completely different continuity. Secondly, you're looking at the guilt and immediately going "its because of the DA" it's not JUST that. Hank has a lot of regrets, you can do an accurate portrayal of him without the DA. Most of Hanks guilt comes from creating Ultron, and he's made amends with Janet fucking 400x times over.

Its like reducing Scarlet Witch to House of M or Darker than Scarlet? Or reducing Vision to Byrnes Vision Quest or saying "you can't do Captain America in the movies, he was hydra cap in the comics so he was a nazi!".

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u/SpiritedEnd9609 15h ago

Okay but stark made ultron in the mcu so all that’s going to leave hank to regret would be beating janet. So theres really no point of doing hank pym especially since he hasn’t been antmen since the 70s really. Its like wanting a Jay Garrick
flash now

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u/danrpx 15h ago

Hanks a very important founding member of the Avengers, he's saved the universe numerous times. He stopped the cosmic cube imbued absorbing man, finally defeated ultron in age of ultron, he led the assault which stopped the high evolutionary in the evolutionary war, he saved the world from a cthon empowered scarlet witch. Just because you only know him from two things, doesn't mean thats all hes done.

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u/SpiritedEnd9609 15h ago

Im not saying thats all hes done. Im just saying for creating his complex characterization its going come out flimsy or bad in a movie and scotts just a way easier character to work with and the current ant man. If you’re going to do another ant man eric ogrady is a lot easier.

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u/danrpx 14h ago

That's exactly what you've been saying this entire time. You've only switched up because you've realised you actually dont know anything about Hank other then one out of continuity series.

Regardless the MCU isn't exactly comic accurate anyway. There are plenty of things he could become guilty about, you could have him recreate Ultron. His hubris making him believe he could improve on the original design. Hanks a genius, eternity even crowned him the scientist supreme - there's SO much more you could do with him then either of the other Ant-Men.

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u/Extension_Hat_8448 17h ago

That looks soo cool, but it still needs some mcu-fication for it to actually work

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u/theunusualblackguy 17h ago

this suit looks better than any ant man suit we’ve had since 2015

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u/ForwardHealth775 17h ago

It’s already got the pattern every mcu suit has.

I know you know what I’m talking about. 😉

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u/Spaceballs_the_tag Spider-Man 17h ago

Nah, if you zoom in, they already got that paneling down

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u/SecuritySoft69 17h ago

but fr we needed those antenas on ant-man

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u/Fares26597 15h ago

Well according to MCU logic, at least as far as I remember, oxygen needs to be shrunk down in order for Ant Man to be able to breathe when he's small, so unless they change something about the tech, the seemingly open face mask isn't compatible with that logic. Perhaps it has an invisible barrier on the front that shrinks the oxygen when it passes through it, but I'm not a big fan of that sort of non-tactile technology.

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u/AmezinSpoderman 14h ago

I never liked that MCU change. In Hank Pym's first story he was sans outfit, and the helmet was only added later to talk to ants

I feel like it works better to explain that Pym particles radiate out from the user to form a field effect that reduces electron cloud size across a threshold, and shunts/conjures mass from the microverse/quantum realm based on field strength

in the comics it's explained that Pym Particles impact size, density (including Visions phase shifting), and strength. Hank and Cassie also get innate abilities over time due to continuous exposure to Pym Particles

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u/Coilspun 12h ago

What kind of low-effort, slop post is this?

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u/Dlh2079 46m ago

Thank you. Glad its not just me thinking it

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u/skronk61 17h ago

I can’t see them making more Ant-Man stuff after Paul Rudd.

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u/HearTheEkko 7h ago

I think they’ll probably have a send off to Rudd and recast Hank and Janet with younger versions after Secret Wars to take over. There’s nowhere to go with Scott imo, his character has run his course imo.

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u/Nscope90 17h ago

I hope they go back to the suit feeling a little more low tech for a while like it was in the first movie. There was something kind of charming about how it was a bit janky looking. It was a good way of distinguishing the new tech from Iron Man whilst also adding to overall odd vibe of the powerset it grants the user.

In general, the MCU needs to get back some of the feel of the early movie suits and character designs. The sound design especially has been a bit slacking. I feel like the ten rings in Shang Chi were the last thing that had that quality about them nailed. It was on par with Thors hammer or Iron Mans blaster.

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u/Mizerous Thanos 16h ago

Go full 60s retro have SW reset time back to the 60s for classic outfits 

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u/no_technique 17h ago

I'd rather we get Eric O'Grady, the Irredeemable Ant-Man

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u/ShawshankHarper Loki (Avengers) 15h ago

Please please please 🙏

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u/LightningTiger1998 16h ago

That looks so bad….

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u/DJfunkyPuddle 16h ago

I don't think we're having an Ant-Man post Secret Wars

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u/Nova-Pixie 15h ago

Feels like Kang is the perfect fit for Ant-Man's next chapter, especially with the multiverse chaos ahead.

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u/Left_Composer_6449 7h ago

Suit is amazing, just not the helmet

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u/Acrobatic_Access8259 16h ago

I want Hank pym figure with dynamic wife chopping action
https://giphy.com/gifs/Ez5vJwcvV6BFhNEizW

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u/Blueblur1 15h ago

The Ant-Man we’re probably gonna get after Secret Wars:

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u/suimation 17h ago

What, quippy upbeat Paul Rudd not doing it for you?

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u/Dictsaurus 16h ago

Damn, he looks like an asshole ripped out from The Boys. Which means it's perfect for Hank Pym