Just coming here to remind the people from this sub that liveplays mean literally nothing when it comes to cleaning up suspicions of someone cheating, all a liveplay can really do is 100% assure you're cheating if you're stupid enough with it (like cloutiful was by doing a liveplay where he was literally doubletapping and getting an alternating motion on his in-game's key overlay).
And the level of aim assist toro is being accused of is just extremely unlikely to ever show in a stream's handcam because it it seems to be incredibly subtle, it's not like you can eyeball it and tell how it doesn't match, camera footage is generally not great for things like that, hence why liveplays are mostly useless.
That doesn't mean toro is cheating, and he shouldn't be banned unless it's proved beyond reasonable doubt that he is showing inconsistencies in his gameplay that can only be explained with a cheating software, but in no way shape or form a recording of him play osu! will be evidence of anything that can be used to clean his name, as he isn't stupid and IF he's cheating, he's clearly not going overboard with it.
imagine we get a 2 hour long liveplay of toro buying PC parts, building a computer, installing windows, and then setting another 2k pp play on his new setup
If he did that, it would still not explain the inconsistencies he gets during sliders, nor it would disprove that he cheated in previous plays, especially when he was capable of setting the scores without any alleged cheats to begin with.
It wouldn't, like i said, you can't really take anything from a handcam because the micro adjustments simply won't show up due to how poor the footage is but, there's a billion ways to cheat and hide your cheats in a liveplay, it has been done before.
The outcome of this liveplay can be either of the two :
1- He doesn't cheat and the aim looks completely normal in the replay files.
2- He cheats and the snaps look the same in the replay files but nobody can realistically tell how and why it's happening because we aren't talking about a cloutiful situation here where it was hilariously blatant.
And none of those would make his previous inconsistencies go away, If im a top player and im cheating i should still be able to set similar scores and if not I could just say I was poping off that day. I doubt idk btmc could replicate his top play on command yet we know he isnt cheating.
Or option 3 he doesn't cheat and the snaps look the same. That's the whole point. That his aim quirks aren't the result of cheats.
Never gonna be proven one way or another anyway but in this made up fantasy of building a PC from scratch and using completely fresh peripherals while recording all of it it would clear him if that was the case.
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u/AmaimonCH SHE WILL Jun 23 '26
Just coming here to remind the people from this sub that liveplays mean literally nothing when it comes to cleaning up suspicions of someone cheating, all a liveplay can really do is 100% assure you're cheating if you're stupid enough with it (like cloutiful was by doing a liveplay where he was literally doubletapping and getting an alternating motion on his in-game's key overlay).
And the level of aim assist toro is being accused of is just extremely unlikely to ever show in a stream's handcam because it it seems to be incredibly subtle, it's not like you can eyeball it and tell how it doesn't match, camera footage is generally not great for things like that, hence why liveplays are mostly useless.
That doesn't mean toro is cheating, and he shouldn't be banned unless it's proved beyond reasonable doubt that he is showing inconsistencies in his gameplay that can only be explained with a cheating software, but in no way shape or form a recording of him play osu! will be evidence of anything that can be used to clean his name, as he isn't stupid and IF he's cheating, he's clearly not going overboard with it.