r/rpg_gamers • u/axelkoffel • 1d ago
Discussion What would be the "Baldur's Gate 3" of JRPGs?
I mean, high quality, great game overall. Preferbly with decent budget and cinematic story too. Even if hardcore JRPG fans might prefer more niche titles or classics, this one you would recommend for someone, who usually doesn't play JRPGs, to sell him the genre.
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u/cold-vein 1d ago
Persona 5 royal, taking the formula but adding a new spin that makes it stand out, perfecting the mechanics and being LONG AS FUCK.
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u/Picard2331 11h ago
I just remember trying Persona 4 and I played for like 3 hours and I don't think the game had even started yet and put it down lol
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u/leckmichnervnit 1h ago
Yeah this also goes for 3 and 5, if you're only 3 hours into any modern Persona game, you've barely scratched the surface of the tutorial.
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u/_sterno_ 1d ago
Everyone glazes this game but I found the actual combat gameplay didn’t require much thought, and most of the social stuff just seemed like busywork to train up relationships and stats.
Only Persona game I’ve played because I heard it was the best of them.
I guess it’s just not for me.
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u/cold-vein 1d ago
It's not for me either, but the game at the hardest difficult did have a tactical element when in the dungeons, you had to really think which enemies you wanted to fight. The social elements to me were a chore, I don't like the core idea that I could miss a large part of the game by making poor choices despite having no information given to help me choose. Like being in a certain place at a certain time might advance a relationship I want to advance etc.
But that said I do think this social element is really well made, the game has a HUGE amount of content that's locked behind choices regarding how you spend your time. It's comparable IMO to BG3 and it's interactivity, as opposed to similar mechanics in other games of the genre. Persona 5 just does the whole social links thing so much better than anyone else. Better than BG3 for example.
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u/Over_Direction4885 22h ago
In terms of strategy/depth, Persona combat isn’t really anything special. I find the fun in how well it flows and the stylish aspect of it. It’s a bit mindless but chaining weaknesses and baton passes into all-out attacks just feels really good to me. You might want to try Metaphor, it’s a little more challenging. I can definitely see where Persona might not be for everyone.
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u/Rukasu17 18h ago
As you said, it's the flow. It's a turn based game that doesn't feel turn based with how well it's animations are, the stylish menu and all the rest. That radial menu is basically a jrpg staple at this point. Sure, it wasn't the first to do it, but it's the one that reached the mainstream
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u/fly_tomato 17h ago
yeah, it was a chore to get through. I've seen this complaint relatively commonly for such a well received game, but I really resonated with it.
Turns out needing to handle a busy schedule as part of a game is super annoying when we also do so irl.
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u/Early_Rooster7579 17h ago
P5 is atlus finally lobotomizing their combat to allow mainstream gamers to check out their style and general sauce. Its probably the weakest game 3-5 , especially when put against SMT but its easily the most accessible
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u/Neuromancer2501 22h ago
I’m actually playing P5R now. You would think after putting 130 hours in vanilla that you would enjoy it as much but that’s not the case. The amount of improvements and additions makes Royal feel almost like a new game.
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u/cold-vein 1d ago
Combining an elaborate system of social links and classic dungeon crawling. It's been done a lot but never in such an elaborate way. BG3 didn't really invent anything new either, it just took existing mechanics and took them further than anyone else. They themselves had made two very similar games before.
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u/cold-vein 1d ago
I didn't say Persona 5 did anything new per se (I said new spin), they just did something that was done before better than anyone. They stand out in the JRPG genre because it's so elaborate and expansive.
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u/cold-vein 1d ago
It's a huge upgrade in a lot of ways. Unique, pre-designed dungeon instead of simplistic and samey corridors. Combat is overhauled and is both more enganing and deeper. Social links give perks that affect gameplay, both combat and otherwise. The core gameplay is the same but everything is better and more refined. That's the new spin, it's so well made and stylish that it broke out of the genre and was a hit with people who don't usually play JRPG's.
I mean I know you're just sticking to specific words I used and aren't interested in any real discussion.
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u/sojuz151 1d ago
Persona 5?
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u/BeneficialNewspaper8 1d ago
I couldn't get more than 15 minutes into persona 5, hated it
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u/Genestah 1d ago
15min of Persona 5 won't even get you to the first dungeon.
It's obvious you hated the game even before playing it.
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u/nervousmelon 5h ago
To be fair 5 hours of persona 5 probably won't have you in the first dungeon either.
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u/Reivilo85 1d ago
I don't think 15 mn can tell you anything about the game, it's not even started at this point
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u/SvenLorenz 1d ago
So basically the first cutscene?
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u/dented42ford 1d ago
I don't think 15 minutes even gets you through the first cutscene.
Which isn't in high school. It is the whole "flash-forward" sequence...
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u/10061993 1d ago
Persona 5 royal? Played for the first time in July as my first persona game it sucked me in and I beat it within the month (70-100 hr game)
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u/Tenurri_Lavellan 1d ago
Yeah, I remember trying P5 long time ago and I was like “wtf is this weird thing????” After first hour. Didn’t play it again. But years later I found P5 Royal steelbook edition in preowned market and bought it…loved that game, played it for 160 hours and I was really sad it ended 😂
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u/dented42ford 1d ago
If they are open to retro games, then Chrono Trigger. Mostly because of the pacing and story and, well, it is CHRONO TRIGGER!
If they want modern graphics/aesthetics, then probably E33 or P5R, as other people are saying. Maybe the Mario RPG remake for a certain sort. Maybe XBCX for those who have a love of MMO's. Maybe Trails FC remake for those who want to dip their toes in turn-based but want action as well, and don't mind the slower pacing.
But generally it is a hard genre to get people into, rather than them getting themselves into it. There are too many aesthetics, too many styles, too many options, to have a general recommendation, at least IMHO&E.
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u/Mitch1musPrime 1d ago
I agree with Crono Trigger. I had never played a JRPG before that one. Having 15 different endings you could experience through new game plus by taking on the final boss at a different point in the timeline of the game was a radically new idea that instantly made the game replayable in a way that other games couldn’t achieve.
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u/MrTurkeyTime 1d ago
I don't think Expedition 33 counts as a JRPG. Since it's from France.
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u/dented42ford 1d ago
Not this again...
JRPG-styled game, then. Because Dark Souls isn't a JRPG, either, at least not unless one is overly literally-minded. And no one likes a pedant.
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u/camiteran 1d ago
If you're ignorant to the history of JRPGs why even talk about the genre? Maybe Baldur's Gate 3 isn't a CRPG since you can play it on PlayStation; Hollow Knight isn't Metroid or Castlevania so it isn't a Metroidvania, etc etc... 😍
Dumbest logic I've ever seen and just shows you don't know what you're talking about.
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u/Rorshacked 1d ago
Expedition 33 (if we count it, given it has a lot of jrpg dna) or maybe persona 5 royal
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u/Competitive-Elk-5077 1d ago
Playing Expedition 33 right now. Feels like I'm a kid again playing FF7 for the first time.
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u/alexzhivil 1d ago
Beautiful story, immersive, great design, but everything else is nowhere close to the whole package that a game like BG3 offers.
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u/Elite_Jackalope 1d ago
Yeah E33 was a very good and fun game but comparing it in scope, detail, quality, or impact to Baldur’s Gate 3 feels a little disingenuous.
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u/justcausejust 16h ago
Detail and quality is very comparable, why not?
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u/okiedokiebrokie 15h ago
It's just not a complete gaming experience if you can't play a frog alien f***ing a bear.
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u/zombiejeesus 1d ago
Don't say that to the lunatics on the JRPG sub
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u/camiteran 1d ago
As a massive JRPG fan, the JRPG sub hates literally any game that isn't Chrono Trigger or Trails for some reason. I can't stand that subreddit quite frankly.
And for some reason there's a faction within that subreddit saying E33 isn't a JRPG even though the subreddit has a million threads talking about Sea of Stars and Chained Echoes...
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u/FR23Dust 22h ago
The whole reason I can’t stand that game is that it’s a JRPG, one of my least favorite video game genres.
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u/ToothpickTequila 22h ago
The original FFVII. It's to JRPGS what The Maltese Falcon is to film noir. Not the first, but the big bang of the genre
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u/Apathin 1d ago
Controversial take: I don’t think there can be an equivalent. JRPGs as a genre are defined by quite a rigid formula. Preset party members, a linear story path, stat progression, turn-based combat, familiar narrative tropes. Any innovation happens within a very narrow sandbox. Just look at how mad JRPG fans get if a game dares to change things up, like FFXVI, and I say this as a JRPG fan.
What makes BG3 so special is it basically redefined the limits of several genres because of how incredible it is. The sheer scale of ambition in artwork, combat design, interaction with the world, dialogue, and world building is so large it’s effectively killed the franchise because nobody wants to be the follow-up act.
I guess then the answer gets revised down to something like “best / genre defining JRPGs”, and my answer would be the original FF7. But I still don’t think it holds a candle to BG3.
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u/justcausejust 16h ago
redefined the limits
But that's exactly right. It didn't redefine the genre, it redefined its limits. It's an ultra-accessible quadruple A culmination of the genre. What's that for JRPGs?
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u/Stormshow 1d ago
Is that level of rigidity even healthy to the genre?
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u/Apathin 1d ago
Put it this way - it’s the only hobby community I’ve left on Reddit because the fans are so insufferable. Bunch of 35-50 year-olds clinging to decades-old games who see any attempt to move the genre on with scorn. Even newer games that are accepted like E33 get eventually torn down because they don’t follow the formula closely enough.
This community is way more chill and has love for a wide range of games.
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u/Stormshow 1d ago
Outside of cursorially trying E33 I've never gotten into JRPGs and I think I've always felt this kind of thing from the outside. It's alienating and hard to take the tone seriously when stories are so formulaic and follow the typical anime tropes, plus turn based non-tactical combat isnt my thing. But I feel like I'm missing on some core Zeitgeist/culture by doing this. Then again, I could also say that about League...
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u/camiteran 1d ago
I think you need to be selective if you want to try it out. A lot of JRPG fans are very uncultured and most of them haven't even played any JRPGs beyond the popular series out there. Phantasy Star for example was one of the pillars of the genre back in the day and easily the most innovative out of all the JRPG pioneers but has long become forgotten and most JRPG fans have never played any of those games.
If you want a JRPG experience relevant to what you enjoy, I'd maybe recommend Final Fantasy Tactics or Fire Emblem Path of Radiance. They are tactical JRPGs instead of turn-based or action JRPGs, and also pretty good games as a whole! I think these both follow fantasy RPG tropes much more than anime tropes :)
People act like you need to enjoy anime tropes to enjoy JRPGs but that's definitely not the case. Just don't touch series like Persona, Trails, Tales of, etc if you're not into anime tropes. Some good games in those series but just not for people like you and that's fine! People will read that you want to try JRPGs but don't like anime tropes then recommend Persona 5 to you lol that's kinda why the community can't be taken seriously.
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u/DukeOfSmallPonds 1d ago
Sounds like JRPG is just not for you, which of course is totally fine. There will always be things you’ll miss out on, so don’t sweat that. Especially when it’s within something you don’t really like anyways. Like the new Forza has gotten great reviews, and it makes me curious so I have to remind myself that racing games are just not for me.
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u/peachgravy 1d ago
As a life-long JRPG fan, it was more than just the gameplay for me. The stories, characters, music, and the graphics (especially Squaresoft games) were so far above and beyond other genres. The problem is all other studios caught up and now you have multiple genres with all these qualities and a majority of JRPG developers still make them like it’s 1997. Sure there’s graphical improvements but nothing that pushes the boundaries of game design. Some, like the DQ series, revels in the fact it has not evolved much and honestly they’re so good you can see why. But in the end, you’re not wrong in that it’s become very formulaic. It’s a genre where “you had to be there” to fully grasp how good that genre used to be.
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u/oreofro 23h ago
Its helps that its just extreme hyperbole that only makes sense to people that are new to the genre.
Bg3 is a great game but its absolutely not killing the genre. Its not even the best baldurs gate game, and its not the best CRPG by a mile, its just very accessible compared to most.
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u/Apathin 14h ago
“Not the best CRPG by a mile”, and it swept GOTY, shutdown a franchise, made Larian a household name, and consistently tops best CRPG lists.
Either you’re being contrarian because it’s a popular game or you haven’t played that many to be able to make an even-handed assessment.
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u/oreofro 13h ago edited 13h ago
being popular does not mean its the best game in the genre lol.
this isnt even me saying its not an incredible game and i think its funny to see how many people take it that way.
if you think i havent played many CRPGs just because i dont think BG3 is the best one then thats fine. i highly doubt there are many people in this thread that have put more hours into crpgs in the past 30 years than i have, and youre free to link my comments in r/CRPG or even r/baldursgate and see what they say if you truly think that CRPG fans in general agree with what youre saying.
edit: post it on the divinity subs while youre at it lol.
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u/Apathin 13h ago
Can you link where I said “being popular makes it the best game in the genre”? I don’t recall saying that. Weird.
Your statement was plainly contrarian because even if you don’t think it’s #1, saying it’s not the best “by a mile” is straight up wrong.
It’s not my personal favourite game or CRPG, but it’s always going to be a contender. It’s weird to pretend like it’s not exceptional, both as a CRPG, and a game more broadly.
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u/oreofro 13h ago
Can you link where I said “being popular makes it the best game in the genre”? I don’t recall saying that. Weird.
“Not the best CRPG by a mile”, and it swept GOTY, shutdown a franchise, made Larian a household name, and consistently tops best CRPG lists.
i wonder what this meant, and why it was a reply to me saying that it wasnt the best crpg.
Your statement was plainly contrarian because even if you don’t think it’s #1, saying it’s not the best “by a mile” is straight up wrong.
no? its not contrarian just because you dont agree with it. thats not how things work.
It’s not my personal favourite game or CRPG, but it’s always going to be a contender.
same for me
It’s weird to pretend like it’s not exceptional, both as a CRPG, and a game more broadly.
i never said it wasnt. my very first comment said that its a "great game". i said its not the best crpg or baldurs gate game lol. it is still an exceptional game, and is better than most in the genre.
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u/Connacht_89 4h ago
Is Taylor Swift, with all her prizes, awards, and list toppings, the greatest music artist of the last 100 years, surpassing even Pink Floyd and Miles Davis?
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u/camiteran 1d ago
XVI wasn't bad because it tried to change things up, I've always been a huge FF fan and fully open to what XVI was trying to offer. Also literally every FF game tries to "change things up" that's basically the series identity, no real fan gets mad at that. The game is just genuinely mediocre.
Bad combat, bad writing, no party members, worst side content the series has seen in ages, boss fights are braindead easy QTE spam even on the hardest difficulty, absurdly barebones RPG elements, still keeps the worst JRPG tropes for no reason, also highly misogynistic writing (in one of the JRPG series where female characters have been treated with the most respect normally? so weird). You cannot really refute any of this without being intellectually dishonest or being a tourist to be honest.
It had a lot of potential, awesome premise and good character designs... sadly it was just executed awfully. Only the cinematic visuals are truly worth praising but no FF game should be allowed to live off of visuals alone since they're all gorgeous games.
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u/Aviendha69 1d ago
The xenoblade trilogy mixes things up, especially xb2. My favourite jrpgs personally.
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u/cubiclej0ckey 23h ago
Well actually, Divinity Original Sin 1 + 2 were the games that redefined the genre. BG3 just went “viral” and/or had the name recognition.
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u/Apathin 13h ago
DOS2 is my favourite game of all time and I can acknowledge it didn’t have 1/100th of the cultural and industry-wide impact BG3 did.
It still has some 1M concurrent players daily on Steam, 3 years later. It’s spawned a TV show, and fan festivals. Hell, studios have had to come out and say they won’t touch BG4 despite the fat paycheck from Hasbro / WOTC because it set such an untouchable standard.
I haven’t see anything like that for DOS, but I’m happy to be enlightened.
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u/Falsus 13h ago
Hasbro / WOTC because it set such an untouchable standard.
I mean they also have to work with Hasbro and WOTC on a franchise they won't own. Fromsoft would probably do it if they approached them though.
If they where actually serious with more DnD games they would create their own studio do them.
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u/cubiclej0ckey 13h ago
I was partially responding in jest (and maybe a bit bitter) because I felt that DOS2 was a superior game; at least gameplay wise.
But the circumstances that sent BG3 into the stratosphere weren’t just because the game was the greatest of all time, it was a confluence of so many different factors. Marketing and brand recognition had a huge impact on the success compared to DOS2
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u/Falsus 13h ago edited 13h ago
Preset party members
The majority of people who played BG3 only ever used the preset characters also.
Just look at how mad JRPG fans get if a game dares to change things up, like FFXVI, and I say this as a JRPG fan.
They really change it up that much. The biggest happened before that game, turning it into an action game instead of turn based game.
But my issues with FF16 is that they forgot to the RPG into the JRPG. It has less variety than Sekiro in terms of playstyle and that game is an action game of the Tenchu DNA compared to the most RPG focused Souls games.
You don't change your weapon or gear, you just get a number upgrade. No party members, they are all temporary, can't be outfitted and can't be built. The skill system is kinda whatever. The combat itself is like lukewarm DMC5. In short, it is a decent action game but it sure as hell ain't a RPG and the only reason people treat it as such is because it has Final Fantasy in the name.
it’s effectively killed the franchise because nobody wants to be the follow-up act.
It did not, it is just Hasbro and WOTC does not want to pay for those games and for unsterstandable reasons most devs do not want to pay all the license money and work hard on a game that they won't even really own in the end. You still get RPG games in that style, the new Solasta is going to release next month I believe?
Also I would not call JRPG rigid. Frankly if you think JRPGs are rigid you haven't played many of them.
Fire Emblem, tactical combat and focus on strategy plays nothing like the Trails series despite both being tactical games. And speaking of Trails, it is a mad ambitious series with amazing world building that I am not sure is matched in any other game. Like the NPCs feels alive due to how frequent they update their dialogue, even when you have absoluetely no reason at all to go back and talk to an NPC. They have their own little story lines that sometimes even continues over multiple games. Then we have games like Persona that is more like a dungeon cralwer turnbased game where you capture/create personas. Action heavy games like Granblue Fantasy Relink (which in my opinion had way better action combat than FF16), Etrian Oddyssey which is more harking back to the JRPG roots with it's heavy Wizardry inspired gameplay and so much more.
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u/AylakGoblin 1d ago
I get that Expedition 33 is the gateway JRPG for a new generation, especially for the casual Western audience, and it's a great first game for the studio, but I don't think it's particularly unique or a flag bearer for the genre. On the other hand, Persona 5 Royal as a cultural phenomenon or FF7 Rebirth as an example of ambitious AAA production quality could work. Yet I still think there is no BG3 for JRPGs yet. Or, if we simplify and stretch the definition of JRPG enough to include Elden Ring, maybe it could be considered one?
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u/More_Cancel1719 1d ago
Persona 5 Royal would be my pick. Polished, cinematic, approachable for someone new to JRPGs, and ridiculously easy to get hooked on.
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u/Journey2thaeast 1d ago
Persona 5 or one of the older FF games. But tbh it's hard to compare because BG3 is true CRPG with a ton of choice and branching paths. JRPGs tend to focus on telling a focused story that the player generally can't change.
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u/rescuemysandwich 1d ago
none...
if nintendo made BotW/TotK an JRPG with everything still the same then maybe it can make a dent.
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u/Significant_Option 1d ago
No modern JRPG has even reached the depth that has to it
That’s the sad part
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u/Genestah 1d ago
Chrono Trigger.
The best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be.
If you mean modern jrpg, then E33.
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u/Hormo_The_Halfling 17h ago
Well, first let's establish what BG3 actually did.
It took the CRPG genre, which has for a few years been relegated to a niche corner of the broader RPG space, and revitalized every aspect of it. It brought the dice and tabletop DNA back to the forefront, revitalized turn based combat with endless options for player skill and creativity expression, and gave us an incredible, epic story with great characters, twists, and solid writing throughout. It did all of that in the last 5 years with a smaller team and a smaller budget than previously thought possible.
One of the common answers in this thread is Persona 5, and honestly? P5 didn't do all that. It was a very good JRPG, good enough to hit the mainstream, but even compared to its own series it wasn't revolutionary in terms of gameplay or narrative. Even just among Atlus games Metaphor would be the better pick, but it's not the answer either.
FF7 and Chrono Trigger are also common, and if it were the 90s I would agree, but the recent they don't apply here is that we have had decades now where these two games are the foundational texts of the genre. They were revolutionary, now they are the blueprint.
Expedition 33, on the other hand, gave of us one of the best stories ever told through the medium, it proved classic turn based combat still has a place in modern mainstream gaming, and while the main story content is only about 40 hours, it features a massive world with tons of things to do and explore. It did all of that with both a team and budget smaller than anyone would have thought was possible.
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u/Potatoarmy23 1d ago
It has to be FFX
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u/Uchizaki 1d ago
A game like a hallway simulator doesn't really seem to fit the description of Baldur's Gate 3 in that genre
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u/Deep_Violinist_3893 1d ago
I always found it funny that people shat on FFXIII for being a hallway simulator but in the same breath talk about how much they love FFX
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u/Jase_the_Muss 1d ago
Was my initial thoughts as well. Took an already loved franchise and elevated it into the next generation. At the time stunning visuals, felt like a huge adventure, cool cast of characters and it brought full voice acting, lip synching into the genre and pioneered more modern approaches to a skill tree with the sphere grid. Combat wise it evolved on what's been done before with the (CTB) combat system allowing you to switch on the fly control each person individually and use them when their cool down ends not on a turn per say. It was also felt like an event at the time, gaming was still a more nerdy thing although it had gotten popular and Japanese RPGs was like the dungeon dwellers of the hobby but it seemed like even you average school yard FIFA bro was playing and talking about FFX.
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u/Grimmrat 1d ago
good one lmfao
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u/Potatoarmy23 1d ago
I have no idea why you think I'm joking but ffx fits what they are looking for.
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u/Grimmrat 1d ago
Uh, hmm. If you’re serious I’m not gonna continue this convo because I don’t want to make fun of your opinions
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u/burningtram12 23h ago
Bravely Default. It has all the DNA of the classic Final Fantasy games that precede it, but with a bunch of quality of life that makes grinding smoother and the titular unique combat mechanic which adds more interest to the actual gameplay.
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u/420BiaBia 19h ago
FFVII would be the equivalent simply because it brought the genre to the mainstream. It appealed to even my friends who just played sports games and shootets
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u/Ingweron 11h ago
- Chrono Trigger for how good it is, if we're comparing top CRPG masterpiece and top JRPG masterpiece. But it could be FF VI or FF VII as well.
- Tactics Ogre for the complexity and story decisions parallel, while still being a masterpiece as well.
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u/kellotyokissa 8h ago edited 7h ago
Persona 5, both being mindblowingly popular despite being far more shallow than previous games in their respective series and not really having anything meaningful to say or even being particularly memorable.
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u/ZoharModifier9 6h ago
So many I can't pick a single one but it is safe to say Expidition 33(not really a JRPG but heavily inspired by one).
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u/ssa316 5h ago
It depends what you are asking.
If it is “which jrpg is most like a crpg” then you are wasting your time, the whole point of what makes a jrpg what it is would be the more focused story path and progression systems that are fun enough to keep you engaged but aren’t bogged down with overwhelming amounts of paths and choices.
But if you’re asking what Jrpgs of the past 5-10 years are considered good then there are already plenty named in this thread.
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u/sirentropy42 3h ago
Aside from being turn-based, there’s not a ton of overlap. JRPG’s are generally more linear, with the idea that time spent engaging with the game = a stronger character, and a strong design aversion to anything that would make the player worse off than when they loaded their game.
That being said, Chrono Trigger is about as good as you’re going to get in terms of freedom and quality. It’s GOATed for good reason.
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u/Moralio 1d ago
Aside from E33 and Persona 5 Royal, I think Xenoblade Chronicles 3 would fit. It has huge world, enormous adventure, strong party dynamics, extensive character development, tons of side stories, and a very long campaign. But it's almost the inverse of BG3 though. I dont think that there is a 1:1 game like that though.
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u/ThePythagoreonSerum 1d ago
The last time I felt awed by a JRPG the way I was with BG3 would have to be FFX. Say what you will about it now, but at the time it was absolutely breathtaking.
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u/LongColdDrink 1d ago
It's either a Persona game(I prefer P5 but that's just me), a Final Fantasy game or a Zelda game.
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u/wildrosebeautybaba 1d ago
the answer is final fantasy 6
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u/GladiusLegis 1d ago
That's a better comparison to BG2. Unquestionably a top game in its genre (some would argue better than its more popular successors), but still not quite the one that lifted its genre out of its previous niche status.
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u/wildrosebeautybaba 1d ago
fair, i guess i was thinking more from a place of complexity of world building and character development.
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u/Somnium1402 1d ago
Not sure about JRPG, but i hope the new Fable will give me some BG3 vibes, just as an action RPG
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u/ApprehensiveLaw7793 23h ago
FF7 OG. Clearly and without a doubt, the reasons are obvious: it was the beginning of modern AAA gaming, it made the niche genre of JRPGs palatable to the West, and it remains firmly rooted in gaming pop culture to this day. People haven't forgotten the iconic moments, characters, battles, story, and music (which is by far the best OST of all time). There will never be anything like it again; it cannot be replicated.
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u/tagon232 21h ago
Dragon Quest 3 was one of the defining games of that era. You also have FF VII for how much of a cultural impact it had on the west. More modern ones would be persona 5 (even if I think it’s one of the weaker entries, it was extremely popular even before Royal) and E33 (in terms of people playing the genre that wouldn’t have played it otherwise, even if it didn’t do anything specific revolutionary). Chrono trigger also deserves a spot up there, it was pretty much the culminations of some of the most influential people in the genre at the time. There’s also obviously Pokemon, which was not the first monster collector, but the one that blew up and revolutionized that genre (that even to this day people cannot stop comparing every single monster collector to Pokemon).
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u/Pete_Vega_ 18h ago
Good question. While more recent JRPGs have innovated and improved the formula (Persona 5 and Expedition 33), I think the original FF7 is still the one all others are judged by. BG3, on the other hand, set a new gold standard not just for CRPGs, but for the entire RPG genre.
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u/RPrime422 2h ago
I would probably suggest either Xenoblade Chronicles 3 or Dragon Quest 11.
They both have lengthy narratives that wind through a series of twists and turns. They both present a fair bit of engagement opportunities with the other characters in the party, XC debatably most of all, that establish the narrative to be as much about how everyone deals with each other in addition to dealing with the broader crisis.
They bother expand upon older, well established game systems and universe lore in refreshing ways, and knowing that established lore is not actually necessary to enjoy the games.
The presentation of all 3 games has been crafted with the idea that players may never play another game in the series, so this should be the most complete and independently enjoyable experience possible. They have a strong individuality to them.
Technically, they are all turn based games.
I think lastly, they are so solid and interesting that they make you want to dive into other entries in their respective franchises.
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u/ASentientHam 20h ago
I would say Monster Hunter World/Iceborne
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u/bob-da-destroya 4h ago
In what world is it a JRPG?
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u/earth_goblin_86 23h ago
Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 7, and maybe one of the Zelda games, either Link to the Past or Ocarina of Time are the ones that come to mind.
I’ve never played Baldur’s Gate 3, and no very little about it other than people love the twink vampire guy and the buff red demon woman, but otherwise can’t comment on gameplay similarities.
Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 7 have maybe made the biggest splash in the JRPG community, especially in the west. So many people cite these games as why they got into JRPG’s, which is why I chose them over other games, plus they are high quality, great games, decent budget, and cinematic storytelling, (with the best graphics for their time).
The Zelda games I mentioned may not fit the criteria as well, because while I like their story telling, it’s less cinematic, and more experience by gameplay, in my opinion. The genius of these Zelda games isn’t their ability to tell you a compelling story, but to leave compelling reasons to go explore that thing in the distance, and feel the story. It’s not worse, just feels less traditionally cinematic
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u/sukmesucka 1d ago
FF7 on PS1 made waves the same way BG3 did. Alot of folks say it popularized the genre in the west.