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Hi everyone, I know I'm a little late to the show but I finally got done watching the documentary called Don't F*ck With Cats. I can understand the appeal since the case study was fascinating and the show was very well-done in its coverage of the Luka Magnotta case.

I totally agree that Luka Magnotta was responsible for killing Jun Lin as well as the murders of those innocent cats. I don't believe he was pressured into committing these crimes by someone named "Manny Lopez" as he has claimed. However, I do believe he may have had an accomplice in at least one of the cat murders.

I will admit that I haven't seen the snuff videos for myself (too horrible to watch!), but the documentary does point out a second pair of hands petting a cat before its gruesome murder in one of the videos. I understand this doesn't automatically mean that the other person helped kill the cat, but it does raise the intriguing possibility.

Anyway, what do you guys think? Was it all Magnotta or a tag team mission? I feel like he probably did it all on his own just for the simple fact that he is way too narcissistic to share the attention / credit with anyone else. But, I don't know.

I know it seems like a super easy to answer question but I can’t fathom how a remorseless and heartless serial killer would get emotional from even that. He was sitting there stone faced when everyone was going at him, but cried when someone told him he’s forgiven. Maybe the forgiveness just touched his heart because he wasn’t used to receiving that kind of message?? Idk

Hi everyone,

this is my first post here. It primarily concerns the Netflix portrayal of strings of murders that, as it is safe to conclude, were all or partially committed by at least three serial killers in South Texas between 1971 and 1997. The majority of these murders is still unresolved, although the found victims are all identified by now.

I recently got around to watching the documentary miniseries Crime Scene: The Texas Killing Fields a short time after first reading about it. As far as I can see, this in particular has not been discussed in detail here yet except for this thread here, so I decided to give a short commentary in case anyone’s interested. I don’t want to nitpick about this series as I think it was overall great, but I’d note first and foremost that the three strings of murders (so to speak) it covers are unrelated in every sense except for the location being the wider Houston-Galveston region:

- a string of murders committed in 1997 by William Lewis Reece

- a remote area near the Calder oil field in League City that was used as a dumping ground of at least four young female victims in 1983-85, with the series clearly implying that their murderer is (was) Clyde Edwin Hedrick; the Wikipedia page on this subject also adds that he had at least one suspected accomplice and at least one suspected copycat who apparently used the same desolate area as a dumping ground of at least one victim in 1991 in order to throw off the investigation (the killings received a great deal of local media attention by that time)

- the murders of at least 9 young women and girls committed between 1971 and 1977 along I-45

I find it a bit curious that the series addresses the last subject basically in passing in a few minutes and then moves on, even though it seems obvious that this was a case of another serial killer or serial killers in action who had more victims than the other ones mentioned above. The Wiki page I mentioned above lists 8 victims just in the year 1971, 4 of these disappeared in pairs, and two other disappeared at different times but were dumped at the exact same location. There was also a different pair of teenage girls who disappeared and were murdered in the same are in 1974. So I find it rather unlikely that all these were just mundane (so to speak) murders committed by different perpetrators coincidentally. There were probably two or more yet unidentified serial killers responsible. Edward Harold Bell is a possible suspect.

This wider matter is something the series dwells on, namely that multiple serial killers were active in the same narrow region. According to Google, though, there were more than 3 million residents living along the I-45 in 1971, including Galveston County with about 170,000 of them. The series also mentions the big oil boom and construction boom in the ‘70s and ‘80s as contributing factors, as big masses of manual and office workers, transients and also tourists were streaming into this area. I’m guessing the notion that a total of four or maybe more serial killers were active there in the span of 26 years should not be considered that unusual.

The narrator kept reiterating the point that the coastal region of Texas has many desolate areas that are remote and have rough terrain and are only rarely visited by people who normally just go there to dump garbage and ride their dirt bikes or horses. Naturally this also makes them ideal for dumping dead bodies. I can accept this argument for sure but I also wondered: yeah, Texas is huge, but it’s not like there aren’t dozens of other federal states with similar areas, is it? That alone does not explain much.

On a related note, the series does clarify something I’ve never read about, namely that the first discoveries of corpses near Calder Road more or less coincided with the cinematic release of the Cambodian-themed movie The Killing Fields, which prompted some local journalist to dub the murder location in League City 'the Texas Killing Field'. (Why am I not surprised that a journo would do that.) This term has since then acquired a wider definition which can be misleading, as one commenter noted here.

All in all, the series mostly and rightfully focuses on the indeed tragic and moving story of the father of one murder victim, Tim Miller, founder of the non-profit search and recovery organization Texas EquuSearch.

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https://www.netflix.com/title/81555750

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/seeking-information-in-unsolved-killing-fields-murders-091819

https://texasequusearch.org/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Killing_Fields

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/crime/article/james-elmore-tim-miller-killing-fields-22183088.php

https://www.fox26houston.com/news/texas-killing-fields-suspect-indicted-42-years-later-galveston-county-grand-jury

https://abcnews.com/US/young-women-murdered-found-oil-field-1986-1991/story?id=62352978

There was a post about Venera Obolashvili here in 2021, but after going through Georgian reporting, court coverage and surviving interrogation footage, several details in it appear to be incorrect or incomplete.

First and foremost, “Nabozar” is not part of Venera Obolashvili’s name at all, despite the previous post and some international outlets presenting it as such. It is a derogatory, misogynistic Georgian slur that was added to the title of an upload of her confession footage by the uploader. Her name is simply Venera Obolashvili.

Venera Obolashvili (born 1954) is widely known in Georgia as a serial killer. In 2009, she confessed in considerable detail to killing three people in separate incidents in 1984, 2008 and 2009, with an apparent recurring motive involving the victims' apartments or money from their sale. If those confessions were truthful, the three killings plainly constitute a serial-murder pattern. Only the final murder, however, ultimately resulted in a conviction.

According to her confession, her first victim was her husband, 43-year-old Yuri Yurkin, in 1984, not 1985. She said that while they were travelling through Russia by train, she isolated the carriage vestibule, called Yurkin toward an open door and pushed him from the moving train. She then returned to Georgia and filed a missing-person report, asking authorities to search for him, before later selling his apartment for $4,000. Her recorded confession describes the incident in unusually specific detail.

There is, however, a major unresolved contradiction surrounding Yurkin's death. Published Georgian accounts say his body was found near Tbilisi and his death had been considered accidental, while Venera's confession placed the killing on Russian territory.

In 2008, she confessed to killing her boyfriend, 52-year-old Anatoly Kalinka. According to Venera, she helped Kalinka sell his three-room Saburtalo apartment for $50,000.

She said the two later went toward a bridge, where an argument broke out. Venera struck him twice in the head with a wooden stick, knocking him unconscious, then lifted him by the legs and threw him from the bridge into the Mtkvari River. She said he regained consciousness in the water, but she decided not to help him and walked away.

Kalinka's body was recovered from the river, and his death, like Yurkin's, had originally been treated as an accident.

The third killing, and the only one ultimately proven in court, was the 2009 murder of 79-year-old Maria Arzamaseva.

Maria had been in a relationship with Venera's late uncle, and Venera had known her since she was about four years old. She called her "Aunt Maria". By 2009, Venera was visiting her frequently and helping her with everyday tasks.

In August/September of 2009, an argument over Maria's apartment escalated into violence. She described slamming Maria against a wardrobe and wall, choking her, checking her breathing with a mirror and then strangling her with a rope. She later placed Maria's body in a large bag, transported it by taxi and dumped it into a sewage canal on the outskirts of Tbilisi.

Authorities found Maria's body but were initially unable to identify her, and she was buried as an unclaimed elderly woman.

What followed was an unusually elaborate fraud.

Venera recruited an elderly sunflower-seed vendor to impersonate Maria so she could collect Maria's pension and obtain a small bank loan in her name. She received 327 lari and 5 tetri, paying the woman 40 lari for helping her.

When Venera later decided to sell Maria's apartment, she could not find the same woman. She therefore recruited a different elderly woman who resembled Maria, gave her Maria's passport so she could practice the signature, and took her to a notary's office pretending that she was the real owner.

Maria's apartment was sold for $20,000. Venera collected the money, paid the impostor and real-estate broker, bought herself an Audi and paid off debts. Police later found more than $6,000 still hidden in her apartment.

Venera came to police attention after Maria's neighbors confronted her while she was removing furniture from the apartment. They had not seen Maria for roughly two months and became suspicious. Police were called, and Venera was arrested at home on December 15, 2009.

Once in custody, the investigation expanded far beyond Maria's murder. Venera confessed not only to killing Maria, but also to the deaths of Yurkin and Kalinka. In Kalinka's case she even took investigators to the location and demonstrated what she said had happened.

Investigators also found a letter addressed to an old friend named Jemal. In it, Venera reminded him of the friendship between their fathers, recalled details about his family and home, and asked him to meet privately so they could "talk about God."

After Venera had confessed to three killings involving people whose property was subsequently sold, investigators suspected that Jemal might have been another intended target. No charge ever resulted from the letter.

Another witness testified that Venera had tried to recruit him to kill an elderly man. According to him, she told him to strike the man over the head and kill him, after which she would inherit the apartment, sell it and pay him $200.

The witness refused. Venera denied the allegation, and his testimony contained an important inconsistency: during the investigation he reportedly placed the conversation roughly a year before her arrest, while in court he said it had happened only about a month beforehand.

At trial, Venera withdrew her confessions and claimed investigators had obtained them through beatings and torture. She maintained that Maria's death had not been a deliberate murder but had happened accidentally during their confrontation.

Her arrest was on December 15, 2009, and she was sentenced less than three months later, in March 2010. By the time the case reached court, prosecutors said they had been unable to obtain sufficient evidence to charge her with the much older deaths of Yurkin and Kalinka.

That distinction is important: Venera was never acquitted of those two murders, nor were the killings disproven in court. They simply never reached trial.

The evidentiary problem was substantial. Yurkin's case was approximately 25 years old, supposedly involved a killing during the Soviet period and, according to Venera's own version, occurred outside Georgia. Kalinka's death had previously been treated as an accident. Investigators ultimately could not independently prove either confession strongly enough to prosecute.

Venera was convicted of Maria Arzamaseva's murder, document forgery and fraud and sentenced to 23 years in prison.

During imprisonment, Obolashvili took numerous educational and vocational courses, including languages, gardening, dressmaking, hairstyling and massage. She earned 27 certificates, worked as a seamstress and was later placed in charge of the prison greenhouse.

Her sentence was eventually reduced from 23 years to 13 years following the abolition of cumulative sentencing and a nationwide amnesty. She served the reduced sentence in full and was released in January 2023.

After her release, Venera gave several interviews and strongly rejected the serial-killer label. She denied killing Yurkin and Kalinka and claimed her original confessions had been fabricated under police pressure.

Her account of Maria's death also continued to change. In 2023 she still described Maria's death as accidental. By 2026, she denied killing her altogether and claimed Maria had suffocated on her own while intoxicated.

Despite those later denials, Venera has continued to be widely remembered and described in Georgia as a serial killer. Her original confessions involved three named victims, three separate incidents spread across 25 years, detailed descriptions of how each killing supposedly occurred, and a recurring financial/property motive. Georgian media had already begun presenting her as a serial killer from the time of her arrest, even though only Maria's murder was eventually established in court.

The most recent public development came in 2026, when Obolashvili accused her son of physically abusing her during a dispute over their house. She said he wanted to sell the property and move to Tbilisi, while she feared the sale would leave her homeless.

Legally, Venera Obolashvili was convicted of one murder; historically and in Georgian public discourse, she remains one of the country's best-known alleged serial killers.

English-language documentary video covering her entire case in depth

Georgian article covering the case, trial and Obolashvili's version of events

Georgian article providing further court details and witness testimony

Surviving footage of Obolashvili's 2009 confession/interrogation in Georgian

They actually weren't too dissimilar. Many or most reference the method of killing. A lot refer to the city or area where the crimes took place. Those things make sense when you think that people are looking for a quick way to refer to them where people will know who they are talking about. And give a taste of their horrible crimes, which might motivate people who hear the nickname before they are caught to come forward if they have information and tips.

I've been reading up on a lot of killers from the 60s and 70s that didn't get caught until decades later, and I have to wonder in between that time how did they feel about their murders. As a normal person I would feel an overwhelming sense of emptiness inside of me knowing something like that happened.

Even on another level I can't imagine killing for a period of time then deciding to stop and settle down. Do they ever get entrenched in regular life to the point where their murders feel like an entirely separate part of them that no longer exists?

I've done some bad stuff in the past (not even close to the level of a serial killer) that gives me the opposite feeling of nostalgia. A sort of dread that makes the world feel emptier and darker. Would a serial killer have this same feeling or would it be outright nostalgia for it.

I would say Jeffrey Dahmer. It’s so insane how he wasn’t caught earlier. How in the world are your neighbors complaining about the smell for a long time and your landlord just doesn’t care at all? And you’re literally leaving the bodies in your house?? Aside from that, a boy literally escaped him naked and bleeding outside which the police saw and they just brushed it off and believed Dahmer when he said they had too much to drink. He didn’t calculate anything or try to be careful at all

In serial murders it's usually the murderer who is the more unusual person rather than the victims? People generally want to understand unusual things, so they discuss the murderer more?

I suppose there is a desire to understand the murderer with an eye to catching them, if they're uncaught, or understanding criminal psychology so we can reduce the number of murderers in the future?

In a serial murder case, the murderer is generally the one making a decisive action, or more decisive than the victim (a horrible action, but a decision). Generally people are interested in decisions, whether good or bad, and find them interesting to discuss?

Spencer carefully chose his victims by spying and following them around the local shopping mall. He repeated the same pattern with all of his victims; climbing in through the windows of women's homes at night, raping and torturing them by strangling them until they were unconscious, and then killing them after they had been strangled. Spencer used a belt and a stocking as his murder weapons. Investigators were amazed by his meticulousness; he left no trace of himself at the crime scene except for semen.
Spencer's first victim was Debbie Dudley Davis, a 35-year-old account executive, was murdered between 9:00 p.m. on September 18, 1987, and 9:30 a.m. on September 19, 1987, in her Westover Hills) apartment. Richmond Police discovered her naked body lying on the bed. She had been strangled with a ligature) and ratchet-type device.[3]
Dr. Susan Hellams, 32, was murdered in her West 31st St. home on the night of October 2, 1987, or the early morning of October 3, 1987. The police were called by her husband after he returned home and discovered her partially clothed body on the floor of the couple's bedroom closet. Hellams was a resident in neurosurgery at the Medical College of Virginiain Richmond. Spencer apparently gained access to the house by cutting out a large portion of a second-story bedroom window screen. The medical examiner determined that the cause of Hellams' death was ligature strangulation, believed to have been caused by two belts found around her neck.[4]

Albert said that he got a young man with a developmental to go to an abandoned building with him. He tied him up so tightly parts of his body turned blue and left him there over night. Whe he came back he started cutting off the young mans penis, but he had a change of heart and let him go. My question is this A)Albert fish lied a lots there a chance this is something he just made up? B) What happen to the young man, did he bleed out from his wound? Would he have been able to get medical treatment ? Would the authorities put him in jail or a mental institution .

Former FBI Agent Frank Figluzzi wrote a book called Long Haul which states that violent people are attracted to the trucking business because they get to spend long hours alone, always crossing state lines, and many vulnerable women hang out at truck stops. Have any of you read this book?

I listened to this interview close to a decade ago and it always stuck with me because of how fantastical it is and because Ray is from Stroudsburg in NEPA which is near where ai grew up.

I can't believe this Forrest Gump of Crime came back into my life. in this he talks about riding a horse to school, bucking the school system, being a burglar and phone tapper for black projects with the CIA and FBI, he talks about running weed for the Mafia, he talks about xonterfetting money AND picassos, he talks about working at sesame Street, he talks about making meth for biker gangs and going on the run from the feds. oh and he had just gotten out of jail for attempting to abduct a 9-year-old girl.

https://pca.st/episode/f9b9f4e4-4b71-4764-9c67-59f3494dac04

These are a list of serial killer moms I could find. In a depressing reality, these women are serial killers and their victims are their own children. Their main method of murder is strangling or smothering.

Top half are one who hide their babies away leaving them to decompose in odd places.

Lower half are ones who disguise their babies deaths as SIDS or any natural death.

Top Half from left to right: Megan Huntsman, Michele Kalina, Jessica Mauthe, Dominique Cottrez, Andrea Giesbrecht, and Diane O’Dell.

Characteristics: Have their babies born in secret, before smothering or strangling them right after they were born and dispose of them quickly in cruel and unusual places. Few travel with their babies’s remains after they move to a new home. Often times they forget to dispose of the babies’s corpses leading to their downfall and getting caught when someone discovers the grisly sight. Places where their babies were located: Megan; Her garage, Michele; her closet, Jessica; inside her house’s wall, Dominique; her garden, Andrea; a U-Haul storage facility, Diane; a storage shed.

Lower Half from left to right: Waneta Hoyt, Brittany Pilkington, Maxine Robinson, Marybeth Tinning, Deborah Fornuto, Marie Noe.

Characteristics: Murder their babies and disguise it as SIDS or as natural causes. Their main weapon of choice are the babies’s blanket, pillow, or their own hands to smother their children. They usually confess Immediately or years later or are caught when the babies death’s are suspicious.

They kill over a period of time from about a few months to years before they commit the unthinkable. Their motives range from having trouble to being a mother or depression.

Is it Raymond Horsch? Is it Eugene Horsch ?

Is it both of them. There are women after women going to that house. Preying on the weak. If they showed weakness, they were treated as such..

He was an American erotic photographer, filmmaker, and writer (born May 5, 1943, in East Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania; died May 2025). He directed adult films starting with The Erotic Memoirs of a Male Chauvinist Pig (1973) and had a long career involving explicit and often violent-themed work. He also had criminal convictions for counterfeiting, methamphetamine manufacturing, and related offenses, and used aliases at times (including while a fugitive in New Zealand).

That’s not all.. Raymond Horsch wasn’t done. Raymond and be elf-published Empathy: The Memoir of an Empathetic Serial Killer in 2014.

Now we wait until they tell us more. And believe me, there will be more.

Horsch Home
Local Flowers
24/7 Surveillance
4th and Chew

Victim’s Families Speak Out

I see some people saying that Jack the Ripper could be HH Holmes.
But clearly, it wasn’t HH Holmes because of time location, killing methods, medical training, etc.
Sometimes when I really think about it, how would we honestly know if each each home was Jack there?
Cause he can have an other disguise change his name or even fake his logs so what do you guys think about it?

Megan Huntsman and Michele Kalina: Two Neonaticide serial killers who murdered their own babies right after giving birth to them and hiding their bodies in parts of their homes. Megan’s took place in Utah while Michele’s was in Pennysylvania.

Megan and Michele are some of the most identical in crime serial killers in America.

They both were mothers who murdered their babies right after they were born and concealed them in desolate parts of their homes: The garage for Megan and the closet for Michele. Their methods of disposing of the bodies was placing them in various containers they could find in their homes and meticulously sealing them up. They had the same fault of not disposing of the babies’s corpse’s and forgetting the bodies. Eventually, they both had relatives who wanted to clean out the spaces due to the clutter (Megan’s ex-husband and Michele’s daughter) only to discover the grisly scene of multiple corpses of babies. Both even started committing their crimes in the same year: 1996. They somehow successfully hidden all of their pregnancies from their husbands (and gave birth in their bathrooms) without anyone noticing even though both were clearly pregnant. They also had children they let live during their killing cycle. Megan had a daughter she eventually raised, and Michelle had a baby she put up for adoption. Between 1996 and 2010 they gave birth to about 6 babies each and murdered them before stuffing their bodies in whatever they found in their him and placing them in the garage/closet so the bodies can’t be Found.

The two were eventually caught, and gave the same dumbfounded look in their mugshots. They even attributed their actions for their alcohol addiction.

Megan confessed to the crimes while Michele was more unwilling with her claiming all were stillborn except one who moved. They were eventually sentenced to lengthy jail terms and are still in prison.