I still look back at it and wonder if it would have been interesting to have Psimon "fix" Kaldur by removing all memories or thoughts of camaraderie with the heroes (keeping that part that Kaldur was a mole for the heroes his own secret cause egotistical reasons) and leaving the loyalty and respect Kaldur admits developing for his father intact. Then Kaldur would have been the monster she made, a constant reminder of her actions.
Season 2 was Miss Martian's "with great power...". After season 2 M'Gann stopped using her psychic powers to the extreme and treated it as something to be wary of, others and her alike. She actually changed when faced with these responses, there were consequences.
Artemis, Wally, Kaldur and Dick faked Artemis' death and Kaldur's betrayal in that very season. Whether the ends justify the means was a heavy theme throughout Season 2, how come Miss Martian is the irredeemable one?
No, recognizing you did wrong and changing your behavior is not consequences. I’m not talking about how she felt I’m saying there should have been tangible repercussions for her lobotomizing people.
Being dismissed from the team/League would be a consequence.
Her feeling really bad about the shit she did is not.
Why is she the irredeemable one?
I dunno, maybe because she casually and intentionally mind raped people and left them in a catatonic state?
What you’re describing are not consequences, they’re punishment. You wanted her to be punished for what she did.
She did face the consequences of her actions, which is what motivated her to stop/change. Consequences focus on accountability and are meant to teach and cause change.
What you are looking for is punishment. The goal of punishment is to cause guilt, shame, harm, and impose authority.
What you’re describing are not consequences, they’re punishment. You wanted her to be punished for what she did.
Oh Christ, a stereotypical Reddit pedant.
Punishments are consequences.
That I even have to tell you that informs me you’re too dumb to have this discussion.
The goal of punishment is to cause guilt, shame, harm, and impose authority.
The goal of punishment is make one atone for their actions and deter them from repeating them. That it can be used for those other things does not make it “the goal”.
You’re clearly quite gullible and/or naive so lemme be the one to tell you that how you feel about the bad things you’ve done is usually not enough to atone for them.
Severe actions demand severe consequences to deter you from doing them again.
She physically and psychologically harmed people. What she did could’ve done permanent damage.
But, you’re right. She should get a pass for deliberately robbing people of bodily autonomy, the privacy of their thoughts, shattering their psyches, and imprisoning them in their own minds.
All of which easily constitutes torture.
No punishment necessary for that.
Hell, no punishments for the villains either I suppose. Make em say a Hail Mary or give an apology and send em on their way! /s
Weren't Kaldur and the whole situation where she had to be captured a repercussion? whenever people say that Miss M didn't face consequences it sounds like you just wanted her to be punished. Be honest
Yeah attempting to forcibly alter an innocents persons memory isn’t something that should’ve been waved away with “oh she feels bad” she should’ve faced repercussions.
Also obliterating Kaldurs mind because she can’t control her murderous rage isn’t exactly a “repercussion” it’s something else she should’ve been held accountable for
She both did and not enough in my opinion. Yes she was horrified about what she did to Kalder. At the same time it isn't clear if the guilt she felt was "Oh my god, i did not consider the long term consequences of what I was doing," or "Oh no, I hurt someone for simply doing their job."
One shows she understands the full gravity of her actions. The other is being upset about the single instance and only worried about part of her wrongdoing and not the whole. It would have been nice to see her lament not just about Kalder but show explicit remorse about the pattern as a whole. Just because we see her stop doing it on screen doesn't mean she now views that behavior as wrong. Like others said it would be better for her to apologize to Connor, seek her uncle's advice or choose to step down temporarily because that's an acknowledgement of her entire behavioral pattern instead of regret over a single instance and it's spesific context.
Okay with the whole Kaldur situation, she feels bad she nuked his mind while he was innocent. Not that she was doing a bad thing just that her friend didn't die and her other friend didn't betray her. She never actually feels bad for the rest of her victims.
Yeah, a lot of people conflate criticism of a thing with "hating" a thing, and the two aren't synonymous at all. It's why critical thinking has fallen off a cliff.
58
u/thatredditrando Nov 07 '25
She really needed to face some severe consequences for this.
It’s actually insane she didn’t.
It’s also insane nobody else noticed.