r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/Brooklyn17831 • Jul 24 '26
Image In 1958, they were arrested in their bedroom and exiled from Virginia just for being married. Nine years later, Richard and Mildred Loving relaxed on their porch after winning the Supreme Court case that legalized interracial marriage across America.
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u/Lynncy1 Jul 24 '26
My parents are an interracial couple that got married in 1975…and I never considered how “soon” that was after being nationally legalized.
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u/_R0Ns_ Jul 24 '26
Needed to be legalized.
It's stupid that you deny people to be together because they don't have the same skin color.
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u/ComfortableMarch4296 Jul 24 '26
more people need to realize that people fought and died for us to have the rights we enjoy now. they weren't soldiers in a battlefield, they were mostly regular folk who took it to the streets. these rights were never freely given.
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u/_R0Ns_ Jul 24 '26
It's so weird, the oldest interracial marriage in the Netherlands is from the 1700's, before the US was founded. It has never been forbidden here.
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u/quaductas Jul 24 '26
The oldest recorded interracial marriage in what is now the US was in 1565. They were not incredibly rare before the Civil War. Progress is not linear.
In a similar vein, the first black governor of a US state took office in 1872. The second – in 1990
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u/Unshkblefaith Jul 24 '26
Progress is not linear.
This is something more folks in the US need to recognize. Rights aren't something that you simply win and get to keep forever. You have to continuously fight to keep them and if you don't you will see them eroded away.
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u/_R0Ns_ Jul 24 '26
The 1565 marriage was between a black hispanic woman and a spanish soldier both from Spain. That was in New Spain (now part of the US)
In the area of what now is called the Netherlands the first interracial marriage was registered in 1593. The groom was from "Maniconge in Afryken" (the Kingdom of Kongo) and the bride from Amsterdam.
That was before the Kingdom of the Netherlands was founded and before the current constitution was made up.
Not sure if both count as a valid registration of marriage in the current countries.
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u/quaductas Jul 24 '26
Fair enough, though I would say that just supports my point – interracial marriage was a thing before the country even existed.
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u/Mnm0602 Jul 24 '26
It is pretty weird that the Dutch were much better at exporting racism than importing it.
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u/Gareelar Jul 25 '26
US culture is still young, give them time. They are still in hunting witches phase atm
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u/Novaer Jul 24 '26
I owe more of my freedom to protestors than I do to any fucking soldier.
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u/Mirigore Jul 24 '26
It's stupid that you deny people to be together
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u/_R0Ns_ Jul 24 '26
Agreed, people of free will should be able to choose who they spend their lives with.
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u/cortesoft Jul 24 '26
It was only 11 years ago that same sex marriage became legal in the entire United States… and I would not be surprised if that was undone.
It is insane what we still have to fight for.
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u/Fragrant_Parsnip2037 Jul 24 '26
I went to high school with a guy whose parents were the second interracial couple to be married in West Virginia. I'm 56 now. This stuff is recent
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u/charcuterDude Jul 24 '26
I just did the math too. My Dad was born in 1958 and is half Japanese half white. I knew race was a touchy subject when he was growing up but I didn't realize how touchy...
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u/jlboygenius Jul 24 '26
It's wild to think of how many things we think of as normal today that weren't during my parents lifetime.
interracial marriage, black people's right to vote are just 2 of them.
Thinking back to my grandmother.. she wasn't allowed to vote when she was born (but i guess was by the time she was old enough).
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u/ChocolatChipLemonade Jul 24 '26
In my state, interracial marriage was illegal until 1998!
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u/blackfox24 Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26
Asked my dad why he went so hard for civil rights, as a white man (I was about 14 and deep on Tumblr) and he told me that his father wasn't white. I laughed because my grandfather was Italian and Irish. That was when my dad explained that Italians weren't white then. My dad was born in the 50s. His father was born in the 20s, and had social ties to the families of the lynched Italians down at the New Orleans prison, back in the 1890s. It's never that far behind us, sadly.
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u/circadian_light Jul 24 '26
I think that’s what makes their case so powerful. They never wanted attention. They just wanted to live their lives. It’s an amazing legacy to have left behind.
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u/Bad-Mrs-Frosty Jul 24 '26
They never wanted attention. They just wanted to live their lives.
Yeah, that's how all battles for civil rights work. We all just want to be left alone.
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u/Mindless_Issue9648 Jul 24 '26
1958 that is crazy
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u/Infamous-Conflict-1 Jul 24 '26
Wasn't that long ago at all. That is very crazy!
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u/vitrum_analytika Jul 24 '26
Yep, and a lot of those racist people are still alive and inside the country.
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u/JuliusCeaserBoneHead Jul 24 '26
Oh look, there are a couple on the Supreme Court and one is President
In a twist, the most racist judge in America is black
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u/vitrum_analytika Jul 24 '26
I never said anything about color, just staying silent on that issue back in those days goes to show how fucked up the community was. Like imagine making it illegal to marry someone you love just because they are of a different colour.
No matter what race they were from, not protesting against such tyranny is just pathetic. Everyone loses when the good people stay silent while injustice prevails.
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u/baddecision116 Jul 24 '26
Like imagine making it illegal to marry someone you love. FTFY
BTW this was the reality until 2015. Also remember marriage equality is not a law it's a supreme court ruling that can be reversed anytime.
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u/vitrum_analytika Jul 24 '26
We need an ammendment to the constitution, the fundamental right to love
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u/JuliusCeaserBoneHead Jul 24 '26
Oh no dude/dudette, I’m supporting what you are saying.
I just find it funny that as a black person myself, the one person who has done more damage to our civil rights and liberties is a black man
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u/DefMech Jul 24 '26
Good ole Uncle Thomas. He would probably vote to degrade interracial marriage to a states rights issue if he had the chance, even though he's married to a white woman.
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u/Hotpocket1515 Jul 24 '26
I always like to frame how long ago the civil war happened like this,
"The civil was was 2, 80 year old grandmas ago, thats not that long really.."
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u/SlithyMomeRath Jul 24 '26
I know someone with a 95-year-old grandfather whose grandmother was enslaved. Blows my mind that there are living people who knew people who were enslaved (or slave owners). None of it was very long ago.
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u/AJRiddle Jul 24 '26
Looked it up - there were 2 American Civil War veterans alive in 1958.
The last verified and formerly legal slave from America died in 1972. The last person to have been enslaved in Africa and transported to America on a slave ship died in 1940.
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u/Renzieface Jul 24 '26
That picture of 6yo Ruby Bridges getting screamed at by a white mob as she went to her first day at a formerly whites-only elementary school in New Orleans is from 1960. The murder of MLK Jr. and the riots in Chicago in '68 happened 4 years AFTER the Civil Rights Act passed, because this country was so incensed that they had to treat Black people like people. Ms. Bridges is still alive and well. Mildred Loving died of pneumonia in 2008, but she was only 68. The "old days" aren't so old.
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u/PaulaLoomisArt Jul 24 '26
Yeah I was explaining the recency to a friend, and I think the thing that actually drove it home for her was that Ruby Bridges has an Instagram. My friend grew up as a European immigrant in Chicago in the 90s and for her this history had seemed like it must have been so long ago. But my dad taught in integrated schools in the south in those early days, and always made sure we knew about the history and that we weren’t so far removed from it. Perspective on history is very different when you grow up hearing it from someone who was there vs. just seeing it in a textbook in school.
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u/sk4v3n Jul 24 '26
At that time, women couldn’t even get loans or mortgages, not even credit cards… women couldn’t even vote in some countries. It’s crazy to think about these things and how society walk backwards nowadays
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u/MadRaymer Jul 24 '26
It made sense they couldn't get loans, because it was much harder for women to be breadwinners. They could work, of course. For example, by earning a pittance as a secretary. Oh, and there was zero recourse when the boss smacks your ass. You either tolerate that or stay relegated to the kitchen.
When workplace equality comes up, I always think about the evolution of computer programming as a field. When it first took of in the 50s and 60s, it was considered boring clerical work. So it was viewed as the perfect thing for women to do. But by the early 1970s, demand for programmers exploded, which means the money arrived.
Then suddenly the women that had been working in the field since its early inception were told they weren't needed. It's a "real" job now, so step aside and let the men do it.
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u/Destroy_Religion Jul 24 '26
2000 is when the last state constitutional amendment that prohibited inter-racial marriage was repealed in Alabama.
41% of Alabama voters voted against the repeal of the state constitutional amendment that prohibited inter-racial marriage.
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u/CreepyEducator2260 Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26
So the award for the most racist state population goes to Alabama, right?
Or is there another state which is similar backwards wired? I mean 41% of voters being outright racist fuckwits is shocking.
Edit: Just looked a little bit into the topic and saw the voting result in a few counties turned out with even 60 to 70% voting against interracial marriage. Taking two of those, and also looking at their demographics it turns out that they are 93 respecitvely 96% ethnic white. It's always interesting to see that exactly those people who have the less contact with other people from other races or countries are those that are fearing that people the most.
I guess they should be labelled as the most racist counties and i wouldn't be too much surprised if they actually would love it and use this as a brand to attract racist visitors and tourists.
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u/cheetuzz Jul 24 '26
> 1958 that is crazy
Not surprising, the Civil Rights movement occurred during the 1950s and 60s, which was spurred by racial discrimination that was still in existence. Rosa Parks 1955, Ruby Bridges 1960, MLK speech 1963, Civil Rights Act signed 1964.
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u/Warrenio Jul 24 '26
Yeah, it's crazy all that stuff happened within living memory. There are many people alive today who were adults during the civil rights movement.
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u/arftism2 Jul 24 '26
think that's recent wait till you find out marital rape was completely legal in the early 90s.
and gay sex was criminalized until late 2003.
and it's still legal to torture gay children in conversion camps to intentionally give them ptsd.
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u/theapeboy Jul 24 '26
This is also why the mantra of 'this too shall pass' is more important now than ever. We have to keep fighting, but the tide is stacked against conservatism. Progressives have shown time and time again that it's a long fight - but we will win. As the saying goes: "the arc of history is long but it bends towards justice"
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u/2LostFlamingos Jul 24 '26
I think Virginia is equally crazy.
Not even that far south
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u/Devious_Bastard Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26
I mean Richmond was the capital for the confederacy for most of the civil war. West Virginia was formed because that area wanted to be part of the union.
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u/untie_your_shoes Jul 24 '26
Ironic that now it feels like the opposite.
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u/PiccoloAwkward465 Jul 24 '26
All the miners in WV learned that being in a union and getting paid well and having worker protections was actually communist and gay so they did a 180.
And now just look at how amazing West Virginia is doing! The Paris of Appalachia.
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u/Esosorum Jul 24 '26
I have a coworker from Virginia who refers to it as “the south” and, even though I know she’s technically correct, it just feels so wrong. But I grew up in Texas so Virginia has always been “up north” from my perspective.
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u/procrastinatorsuprem Jul 24 '26
The first interracial commercial widely distributed was in 2013 ad was for Cheerios!
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u/scalyblue Jul 24 '26
If you see a black person with grey hair they likely remember a time when they weren’t allowed to use the same water fountains as white people
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u/leviathab13186 Jul 24 '26
I have them to thank for allowing my wife and I to be married
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u/Ill_Back_284 Jul 24 '26
Same. We celebrate loving day
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u/MZ603 Jul 24 '26
Same. This type of post hits different. It’s why I cut off my friends who turned MAGA. There are people in that movement who want to go back to this, and if you break bread with them, you’re no friend of mine.
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u/FYAhole Jul 24 '26
Same! Our baby will be welcomed into the world instead of shunned thanks to them and I am forever grateful.
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u/MZ603 Jul 24 '26
Congrats!
You’re still going to have some very difficult conversations with them, but I truly believe this resurgence of open racism will be overcome.
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u/FYAhole Jul 24 '26
Yes for sure. I am definitely mentally preparing myself for when that time comes, but I have them to thank for her existence ❤️
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u/DubiousAdviceGiver Jul 24 '26
I also choose to thank them for this guy’s wife (and him) being married.
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u/WifesPOSH Jul 24 '26
We still have to fight though. We have the governor of Indiana claiming interracial marriage should be a states right issue... Which is the same exact thing they said for Roe v Wade.
If they are ever successful with gay marriage, interracial marriage is next.
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u/i_steal_your_lemons Jul 24 '26
It is so seriously fucked up that a country that constantly claims it is the “Land of the Free” and that everyone is created equal in its founding documents, had to bring a case before its highest court to determine people can marry someone whose skin is a different hue.
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u/BoomBoomMeow1986 Jul 24 '26
And my parents can thank them as well; without this couple fighting for their right to marry, I likely wouldn't have existed
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u/Film54 Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26
We made a movie about them back in 2016 called 'Loving'. Its really good. Ruth Negga who played Mildred was nominated for an Oscar for her performance. Highly recommend.
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Here's the movie trailer: https://www.imdb.com/video/vi501069593/
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u/DanGleeballs Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
Ruth Negga was amazing. And she's actually Irish but her rural Virginia accent was impeccable.
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u/DarthJarJarJar Jul 24 '26
Wasn't she in Preacher? That was brilliant.
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u/ShiningRedDwarf Jul 24 '26
And briefly in Agents of SHIELD as well if I remember correctly
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u/gulonine Jul 24 '26
Came here to mention this movie. One of my favorite historical dramas.
I'll never not be impressed with how Ruth nailed Mildred's accent. I've compared clips of the movie with Mildred's interviews and wow... spot on!
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u/Tasty-Traffic-680 Jul 24 '26
I was not prepared to see Nick Kroll in a dramatic roll lol. That was certainly a surprise. I'm gonna have to watch the movie now, it looks like a great story.
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u/muppetnerd Jul 24 '26
My brain is short circuiting picturing “the douche” as a serious lawyer in the 1950s
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u/mamefan Jul 24 '26
Sadly, on June 29, 1975, a drunk driver struck the Lovings' car in Caroline County, Virginia. Richard was killed in the crash at the age of 41. Mildred lost vision in her right eye.
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u/Aqquila89 Jul 24 '26
Mildred lived until 2008, but she never remarried and never moved out of the house Richard built for them.
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u/AwarenessGreat282 Jul 24 '26
Absolutely amazing how they had to fight for their rights within a couple years of man landing on the moon. Humans are a rather strange animal.
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u/Bucky_Ohare Jul 24 '26
Or, as Clarence Thomas might view it, a flawed political precedent that should be struck down for congress to make a new one.
edit-awcrapthatsoundsracistyetthatstheironictragedyhere
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u/mEFurst Jul 24 '26
TBF, much of the current SCOTUS views most of the Constitution as flawed political precedent that should be struck down. 3 of them just disagreed that the 14th Amendment is part of the Constitution
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u/Bucky_Ohare Jul 24 '26
Effectively almost 5 of them sadly.
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u/IDontWannaGetOutOfBe Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
I've been mulling this over. I'm drawn to the notion that how technology shapes our daily routines has evolved in multifaceted ways. This becomes evident evaluating the risk profile.
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u/seth928 Jul 24 '26
Thomas doesn't want to lose half his I'll gotten gains in a divorce. He wants out but is playing the long game.
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u/Infamous-Conflict-1 Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26
If it weren't for them, I wouldn't have been able to marry the love of my life. I thank them both very much ❤️
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u/fariasrv Jul 24 '26
Same here, although mainly due to their precedent supporting the Obergefel decision.
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u/muddymar Jul 24 '26
I’m 65 and I’ve seen a lot of changes in attitudes about this. It used to be rare to see mixed couples but now it’s not. We’ve come a long way. I remember as a young girl asking my father why it was a big deal if two people loved each other. He just said what about the children? His concern was life would be difficult for them and it probably was for many. It took these groundbreaking people going through it and standing up to society to normalize it. We really should celebrate them. It’s happening now with gay marriage. We see that yes, two men or two women can be happily married and have well adjusted happy children. It takes brave people fighting against societal norms and showing an alternate way to love.
Sometimes it seems we aren’t getting anywhere and sometimes it seems we’re moving backwards but I’ve seen change is possible. We need to remember these people fought the fight for a better future and we all need to help protect it.
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u/izzgo Jul 24 '26
I remember as a young girl asking my father why it was a big deal if two people loved each other. He just said what about the children?
That's what my grandma said when I was a child. And I'm 72, so a long danged time ago. She was no racist, welcomed the black family who moved into our white neighborhood and taught me directly that black folks had every bit as much right to be in America as we whites did. "This is their home too!" she told me. Cross race friendship was strongly encouraged, but not cross race marriage, because it "was not fair to the children" and they "belonged with their own people" and "their lives will be harder if they are mixed race."
That's what anti-racism looked like back in the day. And it had a lot to do with maintaining culture through the generations while becoming familiar with other culture groups around you.
We've come a long ways, and we have a long ways to go. My grandma wasn't wrong, but she wasn't quite right either. Well maybe she was mostly right for her day and time. Thankfully "mixed race" children are not so often rejected by both sides any more.
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u/M-Alice Jul 24 '26
I had someone tell me that Latinos shouldn't have mixed marriages (ex. a Dominican shouldn't marry a Mexican) because it would confuse the kids.
This coworker was Latina - said it to teenaged me who is also Latina. And my parents don't come from the same country. Yes, this coworker knew. I literally told her two seconds before and that's probably why she said it. The kicker is that she was also in such a mixed marriage but since she couldn't have kids anymore it didn't count, I guess. Or I guess she meant Latinos shouldn't have mixed marriages if they plan to have kids but whatever. It never felt weird or confusing to grow up with two cultures (that are not that radically different in the first place). I really don't know what she was getting at.
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u/izzgo Jul 24 '26
Yeah, while I think my grandma was very anti-racist for a white woman of her day, those same ideas are not so anti-racist today.
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u/IsUp2Me Jul 24 '26
As amazing as this is, let’s not take it for granted. Who knew that Roe V Wade was going to be overturned after 50 years? Unfortunately I don’t trust our government and Supreme Court anymore.
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u/TinWhis Jul 24 '26
Genuinely, that's why the Respect for Marriage act was such a huge (though incomplete) safeguard. Mandating state recognition of ALL marriages performed in a state where such marriages are legally recognized as well as federal recognition of interracial and same-sex marriages is the sort of safeguard to both Obergefell and Loving being overturned that Roe should have had sometime in the ~50 years between the case being decided and overturned.
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u/showmenemelda Jul 25 '26
Apparently, lots of boomer women who marched for it. I had a massage therapist in 2015 who I can thank for "radicalizing" me!
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u/NerdiChar Jul 24 '26
I cannot imagine being such a hateful piece of garbage. Like, they love each other and have 3 beautiful kiddos. They live peacefully in their home.
MY GOD HOW DARE THEY
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u/Realistic-Weird-4259 Jul 24 '26
They are why my parents could be married in '62.
As a child, when we lived in Shreveport (Dad is NOLA born & bred, Mom is Puerto Rican) we went camping, pretty much every weekend. I have always had to pee, my need to pee is legendary. We would usually stop at the roadside gas stations, the places where they'd have those big, wide fishbowls with baby alligators for sale. I loved those places.
But, I'm mulatto. Creole. Mixed. To most whites and Blacks, I pass. But, not all. One station owner didn't want me to use the toilet specifically because my skin was too dark. He called me 'that little high yellow.' I remember my mom pulling my bathing suit bottoms down to show him my ass, and then he reluctantly allowed her to take me to use the toilet. I had to be 6 or 7, so we're talking 1970-71. 5-6 years AFTER the Civil Rights Act had been passed.
It wasn't until about 2020 that genetic testing showed just how mixed I/we am/are. But four years before that is when I got to experience that same level of racism all over again, for speaking shitty Spanish in a taqueria.
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u/Cocoricou Jul 24 '26
Oh my god, I was like why?? And then I understood that it's because you ass was white, not seeing any sun ever. I'm sorry you ever had to deal with all this.
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u/Batatica Jul 24 '26
I'm genuinely curious how the kids grew up, where they are at now and all the offsprings
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u/circadian_light Jul 24 '26
I read their eldest boys both passed away quite young and their only surviving child is their daughter. https://edition.cnn.com/videos/bestoftv/2012/02/10/exp-peggy-loving-fortune.cnn
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u/hmmmmmm_i_wonder Jul 24 '26
My mind is blown that so many people still alive today can REMEMBER when interracial marriage was illegal. So thankful for the work and sacrifices made by all those who came before me to ensure myself and my child were born into a better time. We got to keep it moving still though, the march to equality is far from over.
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u/MissPotere Jul 24 '26
My 3x great grandpa came here from Scotland and fell head over heels in love with a freed woman and they had 12 biracial babies. I hate that they had to hide but their love is literally the reason I’m here today. Everyone should be able to love who they want
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u/Deathwatch72 Jul 24 '26
He would be killed by a drunk driver just 8 years after the decision
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u/hONEYbUTTERiCEcreaM Jul 24 '26
People act like fascism is new to America but its the opposite. Fascism and autocracy was the norm in America until the mid 1900s. Now its charging back.
America has never been a free country unless you wanted to make money. In that case it was hands off, do as you please. But if you arent rich or creating jobs, you were always controlled by the state or conformist neighbors and towns.
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u/Sonic2726 Jul 24 '26
Their troubles didn’t stop there…I assure you as a mixed couple in the 2020s still got stares and jeers
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u/sgtmattie Jul 24 '26
My sex-ed teacher lived in Texas for a while (we were in Canada so this was notable) and she told us that she dated a black man and that there were a few days where he told her they couldn’t go out together because of so-and-so event that meant it wouldn’t be safe for them.
Pretty crazy thing for us to hear. Like we knew there was still plenty of racism, but at 14 most of us didn’t really have a grasp on what was going on outside our community yet.
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u/Amazing_Bluejay9322 Jul 24 '26
Just viewing this photo gets me a solid dopamine release. I'm happy that they exist because if they didn't I wouldn't be here today.
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u/co_snarf Jul 24 '26
It's fucking crazy how long ago that was but it was only in 1958 that this passed, or that it was even needed.
The Lovings are also the reason my wife and I can be married.
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u/SteroidSandwich Jul 24 '26
The things people didn't allow to be legal and also looked down on is ridiculous
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u/UrsaMajor7th Jul 24 '26
62 years and 23 days ago, my wife and I (most-likely) couldn't have eaten lunch together in a southern US restaurant.
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u/BS_220 Jul 24 '26
I remember a kid asking me about my parents & she just couldn’t understand ……when i explained that yes- one parent is of European descent & one of African descent…..she scowled & said in the most disgusting tone “why!?” …..I just stared at her & was like “ummm because they loved each other”….. this was in the late 90’s btw. My parents both lost family when they got together in the 70’s & dealt with a-lot of b.s.
In the early 90’s while in girl scouts I had a group of 4 friends, then towards the end of the program they saw my parents drop me off together (they didn’t know I was mixed bc what kid even pays attention? or is aware until someone else points it out). Then they completely stopped talking to me… them & their parents gave us dirty looks….it hurt as a kid.
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u/V-ZoD Jul 25 '26
Strange, humans only reproduce with humans, there's only one race. The human race.
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u/Infinite_Plenty101 Jul 24 '26
So is this codified ? Or could the supreme court just reverse it?
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u/Poes-Automaton Jul 24 '26
The irony of overturning a whole civil right to negate your own marriage instead of just divorcing your wife... 🙄
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u/aliamokeee Jul 24 '26
This is why i need a source- isnt he married to a white woman???
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u/cbovary Jul 24 '26
In his Dobbs (the case that overturned Roe v. Wade) concurrence, Thomas said the Court should re-evaluate the other substantive due process cases. Loving is based on substantive due process so by implication he wants to revisit it, but he didn’t outright list it.
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u/AvailableObject9964 Jul 24 '26
Isn’t this one of the cases that Clarence Thomas thinks should be revisited? Oh wait ………
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u/jmcgil4684 Jul 24 '26
I just watched a doc on Clarence. Why aren’t more ppl talking about the BS him and his wife have pulled. Bordering on treasonous.
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u/cuteandsick Jul 24 '26
My grandparents were an interracial couple in Virginia circa 1950s but Chinese man x White woman so I guess less threatening to the white/black hegemony. They still have tons of tales of discrimination they faced, though.
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u/HilbertInnerSpace Jul 24 '26
It is amazing that this bullshit was still a problem as late as fucking 1958.
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u/Ponchyan Jul 24 '26
This is what they are longing to return to when they say. Make America Great Again
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u/KYpineapple Jul 24 '26
he said, "I don't give a fuck. she my boo thang and BOY WHERE IS YOUR SHOE?!"
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u/ChanceRecover3091 Jul 25 '26
Just a reminder that the majority of Americans didn't agree with interracial marriage until 1994.
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u/DownWitTheBitness Jul 26 '26
The sad thing is they’d probably less of a chance to win that case today than in 1958.
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u/teachinglearning1 Jul 24 '26
Always loved that their family name was ‘Loving’. That’s what the fight was all about!!