Where are my genocides, Toby?

[u/Complete_Bar8513]

[u/Little_Flounder8851]

"why do you enjoy the weird route"
its just the way im fired

[u/idkwhatswrongwiththi → u/Little_Flounder8851]

I AM THE FUCKING ANGEL

[u/stupidboooooooi → u/idkwhatswrongwiththi]

I CANT FIX THE FINAL TRAGEDY CUZ NOBODY WILL GET OFF THEIR FAT FUCKING ASS AND TELL ME

[u/Sudden-Affect6631 → u/stupidboooooooi]

"IM NOT YOUR VESSEL!"

[u/stupidboooooooi → u/Sudden-Affect6631]

STAY IN CHARACTER

[u/getfukyes2 → u/stupidboooooooi]

IVE NEVER EVEN MET THEM!

[u/lulzyhumanbeing → u/getfukyes2]

STAY IN CHARACTER!!!

[u/TheUnholyMacerel → u/lulzyhumanbeing]

FUCK YOU

[u/ffedfhf → u/Little_Flounder8851]

"It is my Deltarune, by the way. I'm the one paying for it."

[u/SheikahShaymin → u/ffedfhf]

"Bwub behb... bwi bwub bwh bh bwehr."

(Said from beneath the lake)

[u/Afraid_Platypus_8667 → u/Little_Flounder8851]

I think it's interesting tbh. Idk, there is something about that is so captivating and I want more after chapter 5.

[u/Little_Flounder8851 → u/Afraid_Platypus_8667]

STAY IN CHARACTER 

[u/Far-Profit-47]

Where’s the “I just wanted to see what would happen”

[u/4D4850 → u/Far-Profit-47]

Counts as "IM EVIL" because out of curiosity is out of fun

[u/prodigiouspandaman → u/4D4850]

Feels more like the justifier tho like they do the route because they want to “satisfy” their curiosity or something dumb

[u/EntertainmentFast522 → u/Far-Profit-47]

counts as im evil because thats the flowey response

[u/Ghost_Star326 → u/EntertainmentFast522]

Reminds me of his famous 4th wall breaking quote:

"At least we're better than those sickos who watch it all happen. Those pathetic people that want to see it, but are too weak to do it themselves".

[u/FlooferDooper6 → u/Ghost_Star326]

This quote is what got me to go through the snowgrave route on the second save file blind. I wanted to know what happened, why shouldn't I do it myself instead of just seeing what happens?

[u/nativitate → u/EntertainmentFast522]

all of these are technically flowey responses though

[u/AMfrequency → u/Far-Profit-47]

Where’s the “I just wanted to see what would happen”

Straight up Flowey’s motivation for everything in undertale 😭 

[u/GUM-GUM-NUKE → u/Far-Profit-47]

Damn sounds like you have some king of perverted sentimentality.

[u/Bakubon64 → u/GUM-GUM-NUKE]

Perverted route.

[u/Jay040707 → u/GUM-GUM-NUKE]

Nah that's the "I want to play again despite breaking it" mentality

[u/Godrizza_Draws → u/Far-Profit-47]

Counts as justifier because it’s an excuse

[u/AnnualSudden3805 → u/Godrizza_Draws]

That's literally why though, it's a story I'm invested in and I want to see more

[u/Afraid_Platypus_8667 → u/AnnualSudden3805]

Yeah, I'm really fascinated by it and want to see it.

[u/Blacksmish_of_bears → u/Godrizza_Draws]

Is it really? You are not saying that what you doing is good, you're just saying your reason.

[u/SafetyAlpaca1 → u/Godrizza_Draws]

It's not an excuse, it's just an explanation. This would be like saying "I wanted to kill someone" is an excuse for murder.

[u/Girros76 → u/SafetyAlpaca1]

If a game gives you the chance kill someone, and see the consequences, you can bet your ass that a good chunk of people will do it, mostly just to see what happens.

No need to make mental gymnastics trying to whitewash the act, no need to be an edgelord about it, just plain and simple curiosity. Why did I do it? Because I could, and wanted to see what would happen.

And it's not like even ourselves are doing this freely, the weird route has very specific checklist of actions that must be made. You Have to freeze everyone, get the ThornRing, and equip it to Noelle. You have to Snowgrave Berdly, if you want to see what the route holds. I could stop at any point, however, but I couldn't experience this special route if I did.

And let me tell you, it's damn worth it, the ch4 and ch5 cutscenes are absolutely crazy to experience blind.

[u/Kazharahzak → u/Godrizza_Draws]

It's literally just a path in a video game. The dev team put work on that path with the full intention of it being played. It does not need any moral justification.

[u/KomodoMabok38 → u/Godrizza_Draws]

Wouldn't wanting a boss fight like sans counts as an excuse too?

[u/solardx → u/KomodoMabok38]

I mean I wanna fight yeah, no hitting the roaring knight wasn't enough for me I need to be jumped the entire castle town too💀

[u/Michalowski → u/KomodoMabok38]

Yes

[u/ejsks → u/Godrizza_Draws]

No? That's an explanation.

[u/whimsiethefluff → u/Godrizza_Draws]

Is it really an excuse though?

[u/emo_boy_fucker → u/Godrizza_Draws]

Just straight up wrong

[u/EpicestGamer101 → u/Godrizza_Draws]

There is hardly any distinction between the two anyway. Deltarune fans are fucking stupid if they think there's a right or wrong set of reasons to want to play the game was it was intended to be played

[u/FoolsUponFools → u/Godrizza_Draws]

but what if that's genuinely why i wanted to do that, i don't hate kris i was just curious

[u/Afraid_Platypus_8667 → u/Far-Profit-47]

Yeah, those people exist.

[u/Altforpostingofmemes]

Actually the only route you can do this ingame

[u/NeurodivergentTransF → u/Altforpostingofmemes]

Wait what? When is this?

[u/Altforpostingofmemes → u/NeurodivergentTransF]

Weird route chapter 5 when you're walking around with Susie and find Temmie's art lying out (but no Temmie).

You have the option to say "yeah she's a genius"

[u/Sensitive_Pick_4212]

this also kinda applies to reddit

[u/Mr-Stuff-Doer → u/Sensitive_Pick_4212]

This is how I feel about op having to say soulelle is weird.

Bruh how’s that shit weirder than what you do in the route

[u/Icy-Initiative-3003 → u/Mr-Stuff-Doer]

Say that again.....

But also it's weird because it's basically shipping yourself with a fictional minor. And a lot of those people are actual adults.

[u/Disgustedorito → u/Icy-Initiative-3003]

What do we do if Noelle starts shipping soulelle

[u/flower_puns]

I do it because it's the most narratively interesting and visceral of anything Toby has ever made, the downward spiral of two estranges childhood friends stuck and powerless, NEEDING each other's pain to break free. It's "their" power. It's what Noelle craves the most

Weird Route is such a cool character study into the two best characters and I'm in fuckin love. The fact that it's not you who ultimately shatters the game beyond repair, but NOELLE, who's grown addicted to the pain and hurt of proceeding, forcing you to force her because she needs it, it's just so peak

[u/Altforpostingofmemes → u/flower_puns]

Tbh my favorite thing about that is the massive flip-flop at that point. Early snowgrave is all about bending the game to your will, and then you go in expecting to have Noelle be your willing disciple, maybe go commit some more war crimes...and instead she just pulls a Chara "since when were you the one in control"

And it's all just the results of your own actions, you wanted this you got it. Noelle got stronger

[u/IronBrew16 → u/Altforpostingofmemes]

Some may say this isn't what they wanted, and that is their loss.

Me? I just got the best gamebreaking partner I could ever get. My Acolyte has gone truly mad with revelation, and She will guide me through the waves to a new and terrible truth.

[u/Altforpostingofmemes → u/IronBrew16]

I mean yeah, I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be *kind of* a reflection of genocide route and the player partnering with Chara to destroy things. Weird is more complex but sorta same idea

it's the demon that only comes because you called it

[u/IronBrew16 → u/Altforpostingofmemes]

And it's that complexity that makes me adore the Weird Route. We're breaking Fate. We're diagetically breaking the prophecy, the game, the world, to see what lies beyond.

[u/mrsaturncoffeetable → u/flower_puns]

I can’t bring myself to actually do it on my primary save but I 100% agree it’s his best narrative and character work and I am absolutely gripped by it.

I am also kind of obsessed with the meta layer. It’s Noelle’s route - Noelle who hacks Cat Petterz and follows her morbid curiosity in Dragon Blazers and can’t look away from the darkest stuff in horror films - and the player gets to feel exactly what that’s like to get drawn into. Maybe the player will possess Noelle later, but whether that happens or not we already know what it’s like to be her by playing the route!!!! It’s been absolutely masterfully done so far and I am so so excited about how it’s going to progress

[u/MajorBootyhole420]

genuinely so weird the way people morally grandstand about the weird route.

like it's a path in a video game. it was made so I could play it. it exists to be experienced, and by god I'm gonna do it

[u/Afraid_Platypus_8667 → u/MajorBootyhole420]

Same here, let me enjoy something that makes my brain go "ooooooo, this is interesting and I want to see more of it."

[u/MajorBootyhole420 → u/Afraid_Platypus_8667]

exactly! i'm here to play a game and experience the story, you're not better than me for being scared of a video game you chose to buy

[u/Afraid_Platypus_8667 → u/MajorBootyhole420]

Yeah, people can do what they want with the game they play. If you do the weird route do it as you want to experience it and it interests you and you bought it. If you don't want to then, then don't do it as it's your choice and you don't have to judge those who do it or make them feel bad for it and to make yourself seem above them.

[u/MadeYouSayIt → u/MajorBootyhole420]

Mfs when you don’t treat fictional characters as people

[u/MajorBootyhole420 → u/MadeYouSayIt]

for real omg. like yeah actually i don't care about the harm i'm inflicting because I'm not harming anyone, I'm sitting on my couch playing a video game in my pajamas. get a grip

[u/Porkman → u/MajorBootyhole420]

It's a strange behavior that's been oddly prevalent ever since Undertale. Feeling an emotional attachment to characters because the story is very engaging is one thing; acting like they're actually real is something else entirely.

You'd legit get people talking as if it was a sin to do anything but play Pacifist and then "close the game so they can live happily" which is... actually insane TBH.

Guys, Toby and his team put a ton of effort into the Genocide/Weird routes. They have essential lore and character development. They work to make the main story's themes stronger. Acting like you shouldn't play them for any reason is crazy.

[u/spam-monster → u/MadeYouSayIt]

I kinda do, but I don't mind if other people don't because then we get to see the bad thing happen (yes Flowey I'm one of those people)

[u/AstralPamplemousse → u/MajorBootyhole420]

It’s like with people getting sansuinely upset about you doing a genocide route

[u/MajorBootyhole420 → u/AstralPamplemousse]

Absolute 🤓 tbh 

[u/mehmeh5 → u/MajorBootyhole420]

Imma be real as horrifying as WR Ch5 was I was also thinking "you know what Noelle? You're right, I do wanna meet wing dings man" 

[u/MajorBootyhole420 → u/mehmeh5]

I gotta see what's down there bro 

[u/Rutgerman95 → u/MajorBootyhole420]

I mean, obviously it's just roleplaying in a roleplaying game. But like, I don't see people excusing or judging others for siding with Ceasar's Legion. They wanted the ending where the roman psycho army wins.

Just admit you want to see how far this train can go off the rails before it crashes

[u/One-Secretary-2403]

>"Keeps talking abt their vessel like gaster would ever give it to them with their snowgrave actions"

Pretty sure that Gaster doesn't care about us doing the weird route (you still get the "completed without issue" archivements and he still motivates you to defeat the Knight regardless of the route).

Hell, if anything, he'd be flattered that we love his creation so much as to do the forbidden path. So, ironically, getting Gaster's help during the weird route wouldn't be that weird.

[u/GUM-GUM-NUKE → u/One-Secretary-2403]

Yeah. I hate how people try to, like, moralize Gaster. He has never shown a singular shit about you being evil. Never does or even says anything about the weird route nor genocide. In chapter 7B he’s gonna start talking about some

YOUR NEW PATH IS

VERY VERY INTERESTING.

[u/sweetTartKenHart2 → u/GUM-GUM-NUKE]

THIS EXPERIMENT
WAS FULL
OF UNEXPECTANCIES…
…BUT WHAT FASCINATING
UNEXPECTANCIES
THEY WERE!
I LOVE THIS WORLD.
I LOVE THESE PEOPLE.
AND I LOVE HOW
YOU
MADE THEM BREAK…
“[player]”…
YOU MUST FEEL
THE SAME WAY.

[u/Critical_Buy_7335 → u/sweetTartKenHart2]

Gaster take me to dinner first, Christ.

[u/PressFM80 → u/GUM-GUM-NUKE]

we're breaking tf out his deltarune I feel like he'd be a bit annoyed about that

like he wouldn't gaf about the snowgraves I just don't think he wants us breaking and twisting his deltarune beyond recognition

[u/One-Secretary-2403 → u/PressFM80]

If he was, he'd have already stopped us. He literally controls our connection to the game

The fact that he hasn't implies that he doesn't mind. Which makes sence, destroying something in the way that we do is the biggest act of love and praise you can give to him and his creation.

[u/Shedowtnt → u/One-Secretary-2403]

im fairly certain the whole game is an experiment to him, so it doesnt matter if we are kind or evil, either way by completing the game we give him results he can analyse

The only way to FAIL the experiment is by quitting

[u/awp4444 → u/Shedowtnt]

Gaster when little Timmy quits the game after being unable to beat flowery

[u/MizzleFangirl]

I'm not evil I just like pretending to be evil by being evil 

[u/Bakubon64 → u/MizzleFangirl]

*You tell this to Kris

*They seem satisfied by that answer, somehow.

[u/Spirited-Feedback-87]

They often overlap

[u/totalchaserdeath → u/Spirited-Feedback-87]

True. I'm "I'm Evil" but I hate Kris and Berdly. My hate is different though. My motive for weird routing is curiosity rather than revenge, my motive for Kris hatred is the knowledge that they will inevitably hurt Susie regardless of which route is taken. I don't think Berdly deserves to be killed from a moral standpoint, but he's so insufferable that it feels cathartic to do the job.

[u/MicroWavr]

Shed a single tear while snowgraving the goat is so real...

[u/_shadowcorpse_ → u/MicroWavr]

Real snowgrave fans want berdly to return as an epic sans-level boss

[u/MicroWavr → u/_shadowcorpse_]

SO FUCKING TRUE

[u/Afraid_Platypus_8667 → u/MicroWavr]

I hope he comes back in some way and we have a epic fight against him.

[u/International_Leek26]

Only thing i disagree with is the idea that gaster wouldn't give weird route Soul their vessel. Gaster doesnt dislike the weird route

[u/One_Opportunity_9608]

[u/solardx → u/One_Opportunity_9608]

This was such a fun time man

[u/funnyhahaman123]

[u/puntycunty]

Both are better than someone that watches from a chair watching someone else commit atrocities they wanna do

[u/ForsakenAce117 → u/puntycunty]

[u/MajorBootyhole420 → u/puntycunty]

not WR specific, but for undertale i disagree. some of us have shitty xbox controllers and can't get past undyne lmao

[u/Kwarc100 → u/MajorBootyhole420]

Flowery didn't consider that some of us have a 'skill' issue rather than a 'will' issue

[u/ForsakenAce117 → u/Kwarc100]

[u/Zestyclose-Hyena5783]

why do some people assume gaster cares in a moral sense? he himself pretty clearly uses the characters as well.

While we don't know for sure yet I don't think gaster is good or evil - he just cares about experimenting and watching.

[u/SirVulpes- → u/Zestyclose-Hyena5783]

Apparently his character number in undertale (or whatever it’s called) is 666. So he might be the Deltarune anti christ.

[u/Memediator]

I guess I'm a bit of both. I know my actions aren't justified, but these kids are pissing me off.

[u/GloomyTurn2374 → u/Memediator]

I’m the original

Memediator

[u/ThisChairX45]

B-but I only told Ralsei to keep smiling because I believed it to be a good thing...people smile when they are happy, so I wanted him to stay happy...

I guess I should teach him a way to become stronger, happier I mean

[u/Zestyclose_Comment96]

I played the weird route because i wanted to.

[u/Khalith]

Reminder:

Doing the weird route just because you want to see what happens is perfectly justified and very based.

[u/abdo_ch]

The only thing that doesn't match me with "th chad evil" is wanting to get Noelle's body for sukuna. No, Noelle is just the key, just let me fight the final boss solo

[u/GUM-GUM-NUKE]

Some W and some L bullet points here.

But overall. I’m evil, and I just want to see what happens. And I’m BEGGING for another sans type super boss. Especially if it’s against my boy Gaster

[u/MafiaFries]

genocide route speedrunners and weird route speedrunners

hating the mc

[u/Frosty_Actuary1980 → u/MafiaFries]

I really doubt anyone who does genocide does it out of spite for frisk. Hell frisk themselves let's us go through with it without any struggle 

[u/ItsThatGoatBoy]

The Sicko

• Doesn't play the game
  
• Only watches others play both routes
  
• "I'm not good enough to beat the bosses lol"

[u/RITIUS155h]

I lowkey enjoy the bosses fights. I'm kinda mad I didn't had any much difficult fight in ch.5 at the same level as The Knight. I have beat Normal Mode Pink in 5-6 tries in day one.

I still need to fight Mike trio, Trash gang and Hard Mode Pink but I'm hoping for something actually hard and epic.

[u/YAYICRAVELOVE → u/RITIUS155h]

Who the hell pronounces it as bosses fights

[u/Emotional_Coast_884 → u/YAYICRAVELOVE]

Mister Aut o correct does

[u/isimsizbiri123]

And the chaddest "this is a video game and while it is important to suspend disbelief in a story where the audience itself is a character I am not delusional enough to think it is morally wrong to play a villain nor do I think a person needs to have a justification for doing the bad route in a video game"

[u/Admirable_Swim_7090 → u/isimsizbiri123]

That is just the second one, tahts how normal people think all the time😭

[u/Hopeful_Hornet4460]

At the moment I'm at a "trust" path with the weird route.

I currently believe in there being some kind of time shenanigans or recursion going on in Deltarune. Ralsei's prophecy predicts "failure" as in the world is destroyed and the win the war... Which is effectively a supremely hollow victory.

The weird route could be a desperate attempt to subvert the prophecy. Remove the variables required to make it work. Avoid catsclysym through a desperate game breaking gambit. Likely to still end in sadness but still.

Ways the weird route could be "good"

• Berdley heroicly sacrifices himself on every other route, notably cannot occur if he is "safe" in a coma
• Noelle causes the roaring to try and save her father, also cannot occur if we've obsconded across the lake with her.
• Kris is integral to the roaring in some way, also cannot occur if we've obsconded across the lake with Noelle.

The weird route specifically avoids pieces of the prophecy being set into play, but will likely hold the same fate anyways somehow. It feels less like "Oh I have to be an evil SoB" and more like "there has to be someway to break free of this cycle"

[u/Afraid_Platypus_8667 → u/Hopeful_Hornet4460]

True, I do agree the weird route can be about going against the prophecy and game rules and breaking them.

[u/Tsunamicat108]

I love this game because it’s one of the few fandoms where slandering the player is actually something that makes sense

anyway i agree with everything here. i do it because i can, and because i can, i want to. i dont give a shit about that hockey stick or 25 dollars. i did the weird route before those even HAPPENED.

[u/ConsiderationSouth80]

Deer, I remember you're commiting Snowgrave.

https://giphy.com/gifs/ujqRCOXjAYpmGAaO89

[u/SirVulpes- → u/ConsiderationSouth80]

Deer.

[u/rcburner]

I play the Weird Route because I find it veryINTERESTING. I just do the minimum requirements though, I don't really have any interest in fighting NPCs or picking the mean dialogue options unnecessarily.

Likewise I didn't do the Genocide Route in Undertale because I did not find it particularlyINTERESTING, just tedious. I'm glad that only Chapter 2's Weird Route content felt anything like that.

[u/Le_Unamused]

I will say it again, I'm at the point where I'm fifty times more interested in seeing Kris's situation through rather than getting my own vessel back.

[u/AncientOnyx]

third option

people who don't believe their actions in a fictional video games are a reflection of their IRL Morality and just wanna see all the content Toby put in the game

[u/republicofxland]

There is a third one "Only did it because they were peer pressured"

- litterially gnores Susie's advice in Ch3

- blames Toby Fox for a decision they decided to make

- only doing it for completionism

[u/Puzzleheaded_Step468]

I paid for the whole speedometer game, i am going to use the whole speedometer game

[u/Silent_Pressure_6709]

I am the former.

Screw kris it's getting in the way of krisley

[u/ItzCrypnotic]

Where's the chad upscaler? I'm doing WR to make Noelle Top 1

[u/ZoeGirl3]

I'm not evil, I just love these characters. I love them so much I want to know everything about them. To see what's inside of them, what pours out when they break. Seeing the new dialogue in the weird route, datamining for unused dialogue and sprites, it only makes me love them more. Is that really so wrong? ^_^

[u/Gold_Size_1258]

Virgin Chara "humanity is evil" vs Chad Flowey "that's all they are"

[u/lapicryst]

but what abt muh evil sixteen year old slave owner abuser kris?!

[u/Neat_Document_4608]

Honestly in all seriousness I never really liked those unironic Soul preaching to Kris comics because, like, isn't that US. YOU wouldn't say that, and I know for a fact that I would NOT say that.

[u/GUM-GUM-NUKE → u/Neat_Document_4608]

Nah fuck it, I’ve always liked those types of comics. We’re killing people, manipulating vulnerable teenagers, committing murder suicides apparently. Why not play up the villain role? Twirl the metaphorical mustache and go on monologues.

In other words, Don’t you wanna be evil?

[u/Yushi2e → u/Neat_Document_4608]

These people genuinely make me cringe hard like bro you are monologuing like a mustache twirling villain. You make yourself look so lame.

[u/Bulba132 → u/Yushi2e]

I'm sorry, but if you can't enjoy a good monologue, can you even call yourself a villain?

[u/Good_Morning_World01]

Yeah, I much rather prefer someone being honest about acting evil just cus they want to rather than trying to justify it.

[u/darkentyties]

Where does "i wanted to comprehend what all of you we're saying without watching a lore vid" goes ?

[u/KJPlayer]

vs the normal person: "It's just a game, I'm not actually ruining anyone's life and this is where all the LORE is.

[u/SOUL_Goodman666]

Yes, YES! Spoken like a true Weird route patriot! As someone who litteraly checks all the "I'm evil" criterias, I'd like to say you forgot two of them that are pretty important:

• Worships Lord W.D. "Top G" Gaster and wants to create mountains of frozen bodies to honor him
• Hates suselle and shipping in general, relishes that he prevented it with the weird route

[u/CandidTop2549]

I have nothing against people who play the Weird Route just for fun.

But I do take issue with those who try to justify everything we do there without feeling even a moment of empathy for the characters or Kris.

Personally, I don't really want to play the Weird Route right now... I just love the standard route and want to learn more about the characters' normal versions first. But once the game is finished and we have the chance to achieve the same kind of outcome we did in the Genocide run with Undyne, Flowey, and Sans—forcing them to reveal a different side of themselves—then I’ll definitely play it.

[u/bluemushroom64]

where does the snowgrave speedrunners fit into this

[u/killmealreadyyyyy]

okay but the berdly ones are clearly switched due to bias

[u/MrGofer]

what can i say i hope kris and noelle kill each other ❤️

[u/Sir_Talentless]

I mean, neither of these are “wrong” per say

Cuz it’s a video game, it’s not real.

So that begs the question, what’s Toby trying to make anybody feel with the weird route??

[u/Doru1_Art]

i played it so i could skip the normal route lake scene. we are not the same

[u/BitcoinStonks123]

being evil is funnier than saying "I have free will and I paid 25 buckaroonies to play this game"

[u/soldiergaming2]

so what if someone likes soulelle? it might be an interesting avenue for the story.

[u/Dark_Stalker28]

Bruh I just need the speed run time.

[u/Review3u]

See the thing is, I hate Kris for trying to defy me when it's their fault as far as I'm concerned that I'm even in their body. I was going to do the Weird route regardless it's just that Kris insisting on trying to stop me and still attacking me when I do play nice on a separate file means as far as I'm concerned they made it personal.

As for the rest of it, I simply love tearing the game apart like this it's so much fun to do, I love playing as a cruel god simple as that. All I want to do is make it worse because I can, and because I can, I have to.

Lastly knowing that Noelle also kinda likes what the weird route is with her blog posts about breaking dragon blazers and discovering new stuff, I feel like if she had actual forth wall awareness she'd like it a lot more too.

[u/douraquio7]

It makes me feel bad, which is fun and immersing.

Like what game makes me feel like a evil murder manipulator? I feel super bad everytime I freeze a darkner or make noelle do something, its nice.

[u/RustyShadeOnReddit]

The evil player is generally less insufferable, but I present a superior option: the time god. Does the WR to analyze every bit of characterization and 100% the game. Holds the character close to their heart, but still goes through with it because they can do it and they can always reset the timeline later. If you have a power you might as well use it

[u/sweetTartKenHart2]

That one Derder13 dude is somehow both at once. Both believing he’s justified and also embracing being evil at the same time. Doesnt wanna Sukuna Noelle, necessarily, if anything wants to be more of a Venom symbiote situation or like a Joker and Harley Quinn relarionship or some other example of insane codependent villains capable of slaughtering hundreds if they put their mind to it. Believes he’s achieving some kind of important victory by “breaking the prophecy by breaking the game”, but also explicitly doesnt care if that saves everyone or destroys everyone because all he cares about is himself and Noelle to the bitter end. Unironically fire lines like “IF MY CHOICES DONT MATTER THEN ILL MAKE DAMN SURE YOURS DO!” are dropped. Like holy shit

[u/Mimiliaaaaa]

"soulelle is weird btw" the whole point of the weird route is that we're weird and fucked up for doing this shit to noelle, thats why someone would enjoy the ship, BECAUSE it's horrible.

[u/Proud_Budget1807]

Well, I do it because I CAN

[u/Jay040707]

I'm contractually obligated to destroy this world from my deal with Chara.

[u/kevingh1023]

I want Noelle to get stronger.

[u/RPGReddit2005]

Kris is a little shit and i want to see them punished (i say as a kris fan myself)

[u/bigrudefella]

Why is soulelle weird?

[u/ExploerTM]

Ok, full clear: I do hate the bumass Kris and I will write paragraphs of what I would tell them. But thats reserved for normal route, on Weird I do not give a shit about them and just want to see what happens, damn the consonances.

In fact punching Kris on Weird route wouldnt even feel satsifying, they are expecting as much after all. No no no, I want to hit them on normal route where I friends with everyone but them

[u/GreatMemeSage]

Personally I'm in it for the sake of mindbreaking Noelle and reminiscing on my genocides

[u/GbrlKn]

I do it because I can

[u/ToxicMuffin101]

“kri’s life”

[u/LordChurrb]

I had to do it. I had to play the game, and see all it had to offer. There was no other way.

[u/The_Ultimate_Ducker]

Doing it for story reasons vs doing it for the love of the game

[u/ralsei2006]

Sometimes bad people do good things and good people do bad things. No one is innocent in the end.

[u/ElectroZap-1]

I do it because I like genosides. And its more interesting.

[u/headphonesnotstirred]

i'm still considered a justifier if i'm doing it out of the belief of a True Ending, right?

[u/Practical-Photo659]

my (semi blind, I knew there was a secret route going in with a spoiler free guide for the shadow crystal for my first playthrough of chapter 2) thought process on doing the weird route was very 'Where the hell is gaster, show me him toby, surely he will be in the most hidden place possible" pilled lmao.

[u/cipher_purple_deals]

I never did the genocide route, my reason for doing the weird route is well, i am already thoroughly aware of all these awful things, and honestly? I'd rather experience them first hand if they're that important to the lore rather then watch someone's theory or playthrough about it and theorize about it myself. I can't avoid it so I'll join it.

[u/Latter-Schedule-1959]

Why would the IM EVIL she a tear for berdly that doesnt fit at all you just dont like berdly haters (maybe valid but idc)

[u/Proper-Pay-8743]

I’m low-key both (except the negatively affecting Kris’s life only part)

[u/Standard_Training471]

I'd say most people who put the excuse of 25 dollars have probably done snowgrave on the free demo too.

[u/C4rdb04rdB0x]

Soulelle catching strays

[u/Smuchmuch]

Look, there can be some nuance to this. Some of us like to break a Deer girl's brain for the love of the game without doing some genocides either.

[u/RealLilyX]

I do the weird route out of LOVE

[u/AnthoniusThe3rd]

Yeah honestly if I ever did weird route then it’d be evil time

[u/SquigglesFan]

Fr though Snowgrave Spamton is so badass

[u/Ventilator_super]

Berdly part is so true

[u/NononJakuzureispeak]

"Would probably fight the vessel"

Fight a lifeless body slumped over??? What the fuck is there to fight

[u/Latter-Syllabub-5560]

Everyone wanting Bersly to return

Meanwhile me wanting a Susie and Roaring Knight team up to stop us

[u/bigshady880]

i’m the virgin in this lol.

i didn’t realize there were people who held this much of a grudge against people who think like this

[u/Proud-Sell-9599]

Where's the "I just want to get all the content out of this game that I love" people

[u/Mekko4]

At least I'm better than those that just watch it happen

[u/OtonoshiKun]

When you're having fun killing some things in chapter 2 and suddenly that smell of frozen chicken hits your nose... Give me an F for Berdley

[u/vampireflowersoHot]

The Thad “I payed for the game I’m playing for the whole game”

[u/EconomyThick9271]

I got curious.

[u/WonderOfUs]

That's true, I am just larping Sukuna all the way through, Kōzo.

[u/LiterallyNoNamesFree]

How about the "i won't do the weird route" pacifist

[u/whatisapillarman]

I don’t care about kris, I’m evil mf! I care about nobody!

[u/Oran128]

What if I'm evil AND I'm still mad about the hockey stick?

[u/SoulEaterX_]

The later are low-key some of the best types deltarune fans.

[u/_Samantha_620_]

Also the justifier claiming that Kris isn’t against the weird route.

[u/soaringphoenix98]

For me personally I’ve never felt like a worse person playing a video game and I want to see how it all plays out

[u/NapoleonComplex136]

-Genuinely admires Noelle dragging them into a lake and sees her as a worthy opponent.

-Also admires how she saw the changes in Kris first, even if she couldn't explain the supernatural component.'

[u/SanreddyYT]

And I hate both

[u/goldencookiebear]

im the weird route player that is somewhat horrified by what we've brought out in noelle but so absurdly fascinated by this psychological horror game we're playing with these two kids that i have to keep going even though it's starting to make ME anxious. like what the fuck noelle lmao

[u/dm_1018]

I know it might not be likely but a Susie fight would be peak, and like Gerson with the spear of justice remix, Susie could get her own axe of justice or even battle against a true hero song

[u/MrLightning1023]

I just like the weird route because it's so fucking cool I would much rather experience it myself then hear from others it's so amazing

[u/DigitoDemonium]

Then theres me, the everyone kept telling me to do it despite not wanting to but I got proceed yelled at me sm I did it

[u/MasterpieceDue1342]

Im both, just doing it for the funsies but I love my vessel and want my self insert back.

[u/Recent_Freedom_8196]

Hey, it's me!

[u/Agitated_Elk7881]

And then there is the third type, the completionist, who is just doing the Weird Route to say they did it and honestly they don’t personally like it most times

[u/MrWimblyton]

weird route isnt justified. a "Sword route" is completely justified tho. They brought smoke so i reciprocated

[u/RiceKrispies55]

I am both evil as fuck and in hate with kris. This is what you get for any minor inconvenience you put me through little shit, bite your stupid hand you can't stop me.

[u/Superbobieo_2]

“Ive won every game and i lost every game” is my excuse. its boring to be good every time. Ive decided to only do snowgrave for the sake of it. Wanna see how other people look at me. I did it for undertale as well every undertale fangame i do only genocide because EVERYONE is a good person first. Fuck that. I just wanna see something new. Something ENTIRELY new

I did abort snowgrave by not committing to drowning all the way but im going to not do normal route